Great article by levy

[UMRules06]

The issue is
You all are not very observant
You just want to bash the lions
The talent is there when healthy. Lb depth was good but we had five injuries at lb

1) You're a troll. This is just a classic bait statement.

2) No actually. The exact opposite is true. We all wish we didn't HAVE to bash the Lions as much as we do. That is the last thing we want. We are all fans who want nothing more than this team to finally get things right and win a Super Bowl. When they fail time and time again, season after season, you expect fans not to react negatively? Go away

3) Remains to be seen. Every player on the Lions roster is awesome according to you. That is until they actually have to step on the field and play. Then the injury excuses come flying.

There are periods in every game where one particular team is controlling the action. You saying the Lions "dominated three quarters" over the Titans means absolutely nothing. First of all it's debatable at best, and second of all they still lost the game so who cares? How is any of this silver lining crap supposed to make us feel better about losing? They LOST. They're 1-2 and absolutely need to win against Chicago to keep any hopes of a decent season alive.

"oh golly gee don't worry guys, when absolutely everything goes right, and nobody gets hurt, and the refs don't screw us, and Matt plays well, and we don't have drops that'll be the day we win!!! Or you can just pretend like me that we won anyway!!!"

*yawn*

 

[UMRules06]

I am posting to try and help you be observant, learn the rules and be better more informed fans on what actually happened

No you are not. You post to get reactions, and you succeed at it because you're an expert troll. I tip my hat to you on that I suppose.

Nobody cares about "true wins" including you. Yet you've been posting about them for years on end as if we do. Stop using it and maybe we'll take your opinions more seriously.

Carry on. Taking my own advice

 

[LKP]

Be more observant. The true wins show it is not all doom and gloom. The lions lose because of other factors sometimes which you know can happen. When they dont get screwed over they win alot of the time.

I observed zero bad calls that benefited the lions on sunday. Have any specifics?

Its very early in the season, the doom and gloom is unjustified.

I told why the lbs and des have issues. Injuries and some holding allowed. De depth was one of my concerns. Hyder is playing well now but ansah out and taylor on a bum ankle is a huge obstacle. Then you throw in egregious holding and its impossible.

I had a split with packers. We beat the saints now instead of titans..11-5 very much on the table

 

[UMRules06]

Be more observant. The true wins show it is not all doom and gloom. The lions lose because of other factors sometimes which you know can happen. When they dont get screwed over they win alot of the time.

I observed zero bad calls that benefited the lions on sunday. Have any specifics?

Its very early in the season, the doom and gloom is unjustified.

I told why the lbs and des have issues. Injuries and some holding allowed. De depth was one of my concerns. Hyder is playing well now but ansah out and taylor on a bum ankle is a huge obstacle. Then you throw in egregious holding and its impossible.

I had a split with packers. We beat the saints now instead of titans..11-5 very much on the table

That's not being more observant. It's how you process the same information that we all saw. You decide to go off and live in fantasy land and pretend we won the game. The rest of us decide to live in reality. Hey we all have our different methods of coping so whatever. I'm in no position to tell somebody not to be positive, but people most definitely have the right to view the glass as half empty too. Especially Lions fans. There is no "right" way in this regard.

The injuries are legitimate. Nobody is saying they're not a concern. But to just sweep every loss under the rug with it (as i'm sure you will) is absolving everybody else who does play from their poor preparation/execution. Maybe if you didn't spout things like "this team is holeless" every year, people wouldn't jump down your throat about it either?

I hope as much as you do that they go 11-5. You are no more a fan than myself, or anybody else here.

 

[LKP]

Here is the thing though. Everyone agrees with me nelson comitted opi, ebrons opi was bullshit, the packers held on the second td, the jones spot was bad

But nobody can give me specific play in the packers game where it was a bad call and the lions benefitted. They say it all evens out. Generic bullshit that they never actually observed or tested. Be observant..does it even out. Make a count like i do of bad calls

We have two losses. I think it was more of a ref screw job than being outplayed..i gave examples of specific plays which nobody has refuted. i have the right to that opinion because it is very true the bad call count is uneven right now. And in close nfl games, bad calls can cost you wins. The nfl doesnt admit ref mistakes, so we move on

Lions are down with 2 losses but far from out for the season

 

[UMRules06]

Here is the thing though. Everyone agrees with me nelson comitted opi, ebrons opi was bullshit, the packers held on the second td, the jones spot was bad

But nobody can give me specific play in the packers game where it was a bad call and the lions benefitted. They say it all evens out. Generic bullshit that they never actually observed or tested. Be observant..does it even out. Make a count like i do of bad calls

We have two losses. I think it was more of a ref screw job than being outplayed..i gave examples of specific plays which nobody has refuted. i have the right to that opinion because it is very true the bad call count is uneven right now. And in close nfl games, bad calls can cost you wins. The nfl doesnt admit ref mistakes, so we move on

Lions are down with 2 losses but far from out for the season

Nobody says within one single game the bad calls even out...they say over the course of an entire NFL season we will eventually get calls that go our way. So instead of losing a game we could have won, maybe we win a game we could have lost. That is all theoretical yep absolutely. But basic probability and statistics teach us this with the law or large numbers/samples. I do not need to actually observe it or test it, since it's governed by mathematics already. If you believe the refs are inherently biased against the Lions for whatever reason, then that is a different story. I do not see that at all.

The trouble is people tend to forget the calls that benefit them and the ones that hurt them stick with them. This is a natural human phenomenon. You see it with poker players all the time. They remember the tough bad beats they have faced in their lives, but have a harder time recalling the times they "lucked out" and won a huge pot. Same idea.

And cut out the "generic bullshit" line. That is your M.O. You sweep away entire SEASONS of Lions football with it. "2011: injuries, refs.....2012: injuries, drops, unfairness blah blah blah".

 

[LKP]

I track them all. They dont even out. You have to test it. And i dont think its ref bias. I think it is ref incompetence and bad luck. But maybe some bias. I think teams deeme d perenially good get the benefit of calls alot. Especially holding.

Every loss last year wasnt a true win by the way. It was 3 games and that was the difference between playoffs and not. Again people say generic shit and just assume i think every game is a true win. Coincidence the first 2 losses this year i think they earned the win

 

[UMRules06]

Be positive all you want...that is absolutely your right. But don't call others out for not following you down your path.

Tony is positive all the time. I like Tony a lot. I can tell he posts his true feelings and opinions. You however, do not. You have not ever once changed your style of posting, or your catchphrases, or your excuses after all these years. And I still remember when you admitted that you were goofing around, even if nobody else does.

 

[UMRules06]

I track them all. They dont even out. You have to test it. And i dont think its ref bias. I think it is ref incompetence and bad luck. But maybe some bias. I think teams deeme d perenially good get the benefit of calls alot. Especially holding.

Every loss last year wasnt a true win by the way. It was 3 games and that was the difference between playoffs and not. Again people say generic shit and just assume i think every game is a true win. Coincidence the first 2 losses this year i think they earned the win

ref incompetence and bad luck should naturally play both ways then. The only reason it can have an overall negative impact on the Lions is if they are purposefully doing it to us more.

 

[LKP]

I call others out for not being informed and then spouting negative generic bullshit. There is alot to call out here

 

[UMRules06]

Very well. Carry on

 

[LKP]

They can accidentally do it more to us and subconciously give teams like the packers the benefit on stuff like holding and opi. I observed every play about 4 times. I did not see one bad call that benefitted detroit. I implore you to find examples

 

[UMRules06]

They can accidentally do it more to us and subconciously give teams like the packers the benefit on stuff like holding and opi. I observed every play about 4 times. I did not see one bad call that benefitted detroit. I implore you to find examples

So now you're just purely speculating/grasping at straws? That's effective. Even if you're correct that there were exactly 0 bad calls that helped the Lions, and a bazillion that helped the Packers, I do not need to go back and watch every play 4 times to desperately look for justification that my team got screwed. That would not make me feel any better, and I'm sure it doesn't make you feel any better either. They are 1-2 and nothing will change that. Accept it and move on. You should consider bad reffing as a true reality when you make your predictions from now on, instead of moaning about them after every game.

The Lions play the hapless Bears this Sunday, and then have 3 straight home games. I agree with you the season is far from over.

 

[LKP]

Not grasping ar straws. I am proving the lions got screwed and outplayed all three of their opponents. Clearly you cant change it to a win but going forward you have more confidence in the team. The doom and gloom is unjustified

Lions can clearly play better and will. Getting best two defensive players on team back should help. Playing many shittier offenses than packers and colts will help too.

 

[UMRules06]

Not grasping ar straws. I am proving the lions got screwed and outplayed all three of their opponents. Clearly you cant change it to a win but going forward you have more confidence in the team. The doom and gloom is unjustified

Lions can clearly play better and will. Getting best two defensive players on team back should help. Playing many shittier offenses than packers and colts will help too.

Why would I have confidence in a team that can't overcome obstacles? You believe they won't face anymore of them this season?

 

[LKP]

They can overcome obstacles. Sometimes there are just way more obstacles than normal

Refs dont fuck up every game. Like i said. 3 of 9 losses last year were ref influenced. So it might not even out with bad calls bemefitting the lions but there will surely be games where the refs make all the proper calls. Lions win those games very often

Injury obstacles can lessen. Especially if ansah and levy come back. Giys like dwayne washington can step up. There is a different set of circumstances each week
.lions still have plenty of talent and good coaching to earn wins in many circumstances

 

[UMRules06]

Sure sounds good. Carry on

 

[dubbsco]

Go up to any sports fan with a bit of knowledge, call any sports show, and say the following line: "The Lions outplayed the Packers."

You'll then know how much you know about football. Because you'll get laughed out of the state. And to be honest, I think you are 100 percent different in person, because no one can actually say the things you do online to other physical human beings. Deep down you and I both know you don't actually believe the Lions outplayed Green Bay. When you go down 31-3, and get a fake comeback because Green Bay passed the ball like 3 times in the second half, that's getting crushed.

I honestly think you'd be a great poster if you used your football insight to actually discuss things with us and not have to carry on the same track over and over again to try and obtain some mythical balance on the Lions forum.

 

[LKP]

They are idiots who wouldnt understand my logic or the count i keep track during games. They see the lead and the 34 points but fail to observe the how. Holding and opi and questionable dpi. So they would laugh because they are misinformed.

It was close but lions did outplay green bay. Proper calls and it is a different result. Lions dominated much of that game. The packers got extra points on the lead thanks to the refs. Its pretty simple

Was it holding on second td. No doubt
Was that dpi on lawson. Not really
Was it opi on nelson. No doubt
And bad spot on jones

Lions were playing packers with ref aid. Very tough to overcome. They came close

 

[dubbsco]

No they didn't. If GB kept the pedal down to the floor, they would have won the game by 50. Lions were fully embarrassed as most of us predicted.