Greatest LF since 1969

[kalinecountry]

I couldn't vote for Bonds since he was the product of roids. I think Henderson was very very good but ended up voting for Yaz. Winning the triple crown, 3000 hits, 400 HR, nuff said.

sorry doc,
Williams missed about 5 years and would have been there with the 3000 and 400, Mantle with all his drinking problems had awful injuries and missed 600 games, and if Kaline didn't miss 400 games with injuries damn near every year from '59 on, he would have too.
yaz was nothing more than a selfish stat seeking over-rated LF. He had yawkey as his owner and had managers fired, players traded with his closed door meetings with the sox owner. He was on the DL once in his career, but if not for yawkey would have been out of bb 3/4 years earlier or at least platooned.
If I come off as bitter so be it, I saw first hand this guy's career, he had some terrible years mixed in during some of his prime years.

 

[tycobb420]

KalineCountry[/color]]

I couldn't vote for Bonds since he was the product of roids. I think Henderson was very very good but ended up voting for Yaz. Winning the triple crown, 3000 hits, 400 HR, nuff said.

sorry doc,
Williams missed about 5 years and would have been there with the 3000 and 400, Mantle with all his drinking problems had awful injuries and missed 600 games, and if Kaline didn't miss 400 games with injuries damn near every year from '59 on, he would have too.
yaz was nothing more than a selfish stat seeking over-rated LF. He had yawkey as his owner and had managers fired, players traded with his closed door meetings with the sox owner. He was on the DL once in his career, but if not for yawkey would have been out of bb 3/4 years earlier or at least platooned.
If I come off as bitter so be it, I saw first hand this guy's career, he had some terrible years mixed in during some of his prime years.

Kaline said if he knew he was at 399, he would have come back for one more season to be the first 400/3000 player. You can add DiMaggio to your list KC. He missed three prime years due to WWII and finished with 361 HR and 2214 hits.

Without WWII, he probably is around 460 homers and 2800 hits. He also missed around 110 games in two of his final three seasons, so that probably gets him to 480-490 Homers unless he got hot and close to 3000 hits. He retired with a huge contract on the table after 1951....the anti-stat compiler if you will.

 

[jimrice]

KalineCountry[/color]]

sorry doc,
Williams missed about 5 years and would have been there with the 3000 and 400, Mantle with all his drinking problems had awful injuries and missed 600 games, and if Kaline didn't miss 400 games with injuries damn near every year from '59 on, he would have too.
yaz was nothing more than a selfish stat seeking over-rated LF. He had yawkey as his owner and had managers fired, players traded with his closed door meetings with the sox owner. He was on the DL once in his career, but if not for yawkey would have been out of bb 3/4 years earlier or at least platooned.
If I come off as bitter so be it, I saw first hand this guy's career, he had some terrible years mixed in during some of his prime years.

Kaline said if he knew he was at 399, he would have come back for one more season to be the first 400/3000 player. You can add DiMaggio to your list KC. He missed three prime years due to WWII and finished with 361 HR and 2214 hits.

Without WWII, he probably is around 460 homers and 2800 hits. He also missed around 110 games in two of his final three seasons, so that probably gets him to 480-490 Homers unless he got hot and close to 3000 hits. He retired with a huge contract on the table after 1951....the anti-stat compiler if you will.

I think hitting .260 and an OPS under .800 made Joe D find the door. He didn't exactly split on the highest of notes.

Gotta respect not being a Pete Rose compiler type, though.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]

sorry doc,
Williams missed about 5 years and would have been there with the 3000 and 400, Mantle with all his drinking problems had awful injuries and missed 600 games, and if Kaline didn't miss 400 games with injuries damn near every year from '59 on, he would have too.
yaz was nothing more than a selfish stat seeking over-rated LF. He had yawkey as his owner and had managers fired, players traded with his closed door meetings with the sox owner. He was on the DL once in his career, but if not for yawkey would have been out of bb 3/4 years earlier or at least platooned.
If I come off as bitter so be it, I saw first hand this guy's career, he had some terrible years mixed in during some of his prime years.

Kaline said if he knew he was at 399, he would have come back for one more season to be the first 400/3000 player. You can add DiMaggio to your list KC. He missed three prime years due to WWII and finished with 361 HR and 2214 hits.

Without WWII, he probably is around 460 homers and 2800 hits. He also missed around 110 games in two of his final three seasons, so that probably gets him to 480-490 Homers unless he got hot and close to 3000 hits. He retired with a huge contract on the table after 1951....the anti-stat compiler if you will.

Kaline knew he finished with the 399, he said at the time he didn't think it was going to be such a big deal. Tells you how much of a team player he was instead of thinking of his numbers. He also said he could have played another 2 years with out embarrassing himself. His two sons were getting older and he wanted to be with them before they went off to college.
DiMaggio could have been there or at least closer as you said.

 

[tycobb420]

Kaline said if he knew he was at 399, he would have come back for one more season to be the first 400/3000 player. You can add DiMaggio to your list KC. He missed three prime years due to WWII and finished with 361 HR and 2214 hits.

Without WWII, he probably is around 460 homers and 2800 hits. He also missed around 110 games in two of his final three seasons, so that probably gets him to 480-490 Homers unless he got hot and close to 3000 hits. He retired with a huge contract on the table after 1951....the anti-stat compiler if you will.

I think hitting .260 and an OPS under .800 made Joe D find the door. He didn't exactly split on the highest of notes.

Gotta respect not being a Pete Rose compiler type, though.

Came from playing in excruciating pain, but yeah he did not want to be a shell and embarass himself.

 

[kalinecountry]

I think hitting .260 and an OPS under .800 made Joe D find the door. He didn't exactly split on the highest of notes.

Gotta respect not being a Pete Rose compiler type, though.

Came from playing in excruciating pain, but yeah he did not want to be a shell and embarass himself.

Joe had bone spurs in the heel of a foot. He was a very prideful man and player, and didn't want to continue at a lower level shell of his former self.

 

[tycobb420]

Remains 8-7 in favor of Bonds.

 

[chrisinthed]

Bonds was much better in the field than Henderson. At the plate an argument can be made that Rickey is better, although their games were quite different. Rickey Henderson was easily one of the top 15 best players in major league history. He also won 2 World Series, and that plays into my vote for any consideration of greatest player. He is the greatest at leading off, drawing non-intentional walks, stealing bases, and scoring runs of any player ever. Whatever Bonds did or didn't use to boost his career, he still cannot claim as much, and he was not a winner. Edge to Rickey.

 

[tycobb420]

8-8 tie.

 

[tycobb420]

and that is ballgame. Rickey wins 9-8.

 

[beez]

I just voted

 

[tycobb420]

Voting ended about 24 hours ago.

 

[beez]

The poll didn't lock..it counts. : )

 

[Rebbiv]

Career Away

Bonds 143.57 RC/650 1.037 OPS

Henderson 109.58 RC/650 .836 OPS

Stargell 104.43 RC/650 .865 OPS

Raines 97.43 RC/650 .796 OPS

Yastrzemski 85.25 RC/650 .779 OPS

Rice 84.33 RC/650 .789 OPS

 

[beez]

Bonds is by far the best...he was a monster. A cheating Monster but still the best player on the baseball field while he was cheating.

 

[Rebbiv]

Here is the thing. There is no studies or evidence that suggests steriods or HGH improves:

1. Eye-Hand coordination
2. Plate zone judegement


The first step is see the ball, hit the ball. Once then, steriods allowed the ball to travel farther. HGH effected recovery time from sores and ailments. By far, Bonds had an uncanny ability to see the ball and hit the ball.

Bonds last 3 years with PIT (age 25-27) Away

143.23 RC/650 .308 BAVG .421 OBP .592 SLG 1.013 OPS 7.61 PA/BB 18.94 PA/HR

Bonds first 3 years with SFG (age 28-30) Away

162.01 RC/650 .327 BAVG .449 OBP .668 SLG 1.117 OPS 7.31 PA/BB 14.30 PA/HR

Career Away

143.57 RC/650 .296 BAVG .440 OBP .597 SLG 1.037 OPS 6.43 PA/BB 16.92 PA/HR


Peak 3 years in SF Away

209.82 RC/650 .340 BAVG .535 OBP .789 SLG 1.323 OPS 4.53 PA/BB 11.15 PA/HR


Most people tend to agree that Bonds was not doing steriods while in Pittsburgh. Yet, his stats while there indicate he was a monster of a player even then. I believe he still would have been an elite player without the steriods/HGH.

 

[beez]

Man where the hell were you at when I was arguing for Bonds before? Don't take anymore vacations, thanks.

 

[Rebbiv]

Man where the hell were you at when I was arguing for Bonds before? Don't take anymore vacations, thanks.

LOL

Does this mean I cannot deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan again either?


BTW...I am of the mindset, that no matter what evidence you present, some people are going to still believe the earth is flat or that the lunar landing was a hoax.


With that said....I voted for Henderson. While I will maintain that Bonds was probably better without steriods, that alone would preclude me from voting for him. If I were a HoF voter, I would never vote Pete Rose in. Regardless of the numbers obtained on the field, I have issues with liars and cheaters.

 

[Rebbiv]

It appears a Mod has doctored the voting totals....hmmmm

 

[kalinecountry]

It appears a Mod has doctored the voting totals....hmmmm

Kevin, not this mod. What vote change happened?
Voter retracted or poll locked as Ty posted.