I am fucking sick of Trump

[Sbee]

Every time I turn around there's trump again in tv giving a speech or having a rally somewhere, is Hillary still running? Don't hardly see her out there campaigning much, trump in Michigan then Louisiana one day, Mexico now even today earlier, now Phoenix, he's all over the map. Now that I think about it, so far I think I've only one I'm ready for Hillary bumper sticker and zero yard signs thus far in my area, saw lots of Obama/Biden bumper sticks and yard signs 4-8 years ago...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/enrique-pe-nieto-calls-conversation-203316725.html

Open and constructive

She's actively campaigning but she talks about boring stuff like the issues and her plans, that doesn't make for great sound bites.

 

[Michchamp]

She's actively campaigning but she talks about boring stuff like the issues and her plans, that doesn't make for great sound bites.

she's too boring to be president!

 

[deathroh]

Every time I turn around there's trump again in tv giving a speech or having a rally somewhere, is Hillary still running? Don't hardly see her out there campaigning much, trump in Michigan then Louisiana one day, Mexico now even today earlier, now Phoenix, he's all over the map. Now that I think about it, so far I think I've only one I'm ready for Hillary bumper sticker and zero yard signs thus far in my area, saw lots of Obama/Biden bumper sticks and yard signs 4-8 years ago...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/enrique-pe-nieto-calls-conversation-203316725.html

Open and constructive

Nieto gettin paid

 

[tigermud]

Labor Day doc dump...
Server breached....
Porn phishing scheme...
She clicked it....
More...
Signed for receiving classified training she said she didn't...
Lost cell phones with sensitive info...
Thought classified markings were alphabetical paragraphs...
Withheld 17,500 emails..
List: things she could not remember...
Feared investigations..
History of consistant incredibly poor judgment..
More likely to start a war with Russia

Nodoby gives a shit, trump is such a racist asshole Right

 

[Spartanmack]

She's actively campaigning but she talks about boring stuff like the issues and her plans, that doesn't make for great sound bites.

by actively campaigning and talking about the issues do you mean avoiding the press and pandering to fools obsessed with identity politics? because she hasn't held a real press conference in months and all she campaigns on is the stupid "Trump is racist" crap.

 

[Spartanmack]

Labor Day doc dump...
Server breached....
Porn phishing scheme...
She clicked it....
More...
Signed for receiving classified training she said she didn't...
Lost cell phones with sensitive info...
Thought classified markings were alphabetical paragraphs...
Withheld 17,500 emails..
List: things she could not remember...
Feared investigations..
History of consistant incredibly poor judgment..
More likely to start a war with Russia

Nodoby gives a shit, trump is such a racist asshole Right

and now they've recovered 30 emails about Benghazi from the tens of thousands she deleted that were all personal emails. she lies, breaks laws, sells out taxpayers for bribes from foreign interests and nobody cares.

 

[tigermud]

and now they've recovered 30 emails about Benghazi from the tens of thousands she deleted that were all personal emails. she lies, breaks laws, sells out taxpayers for bribes from foreign interests and nobody cares.

Bernie is sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails! Demos got their nomination took.. Oh well nobody cares


Dilbert endorses Hillary out of fear for his own personal safety.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145456082991/my-endorsement-for-president-of-the-united-states

 

[Sbee]

by actively campaigning and talking about the issues do you mean avoiding the press and pandering to fools obsessed with identity politics? because she hasn't held a real press conference in months and all she campaigns on is the stupid "Trump is racist" crap.

and now they've recovered 30 emails about Benghazi from the tens of thousands she deleted that were all personal emails. she lies, breaks laws, sells out taxpayers for bribes from foreign interests and nobody cares.

You're right on the pandering, she'll switch a position if it polls well, like the TPP. Trump's racist shit is low hanging fruit for her campaign, he's not overtly racist, he just gives that wink and nod to the racists and they eat it all up while he has plausible deniability.

The right just loves a Clinton "scandal." Never mind that laws aren't broken and there aren't any real consequences to said "scandal," it's the accusation that matters. You exaggerate by saying that she sells out taxpayers for bribes, keep in mind that the Clinton foundation is a non profit that she's never taken a salary from and they have an A rating from a Charity watch, a watchdog group. There is little if any evidence that any federal ethics laws were broken by Secretary Clinton, but if you think that democrats are inherently untrustworthy this will be fuel to the fire, even if there's no there, there. Do wealthy people have more access to politicians? That's for certain and the Clintons know how to play that game, but that's a problem that extends well beyond Hillary Clinton. Laws weren't broken, but there was favoritism. If favoritism towards wealthy outside persons was illegal, the country would look a quite a bit different than it does now.

 

[Spartanmack]

This post is nothing but proof positive that Democrats will believe anything. Literally every point you've made is in fact incorrect. Hillary broke laws, she was an absolute failure as secretary of state and she has used her position and power to enrich herself. She doesn't care about anyone but herself and she merely pays lip service for votes.

And the worst part is the whole racist nonsense. How dumb you have to be to believe that the racist vote is so big that it's worth pandering to, like it's even close to the size of the minority vote hillary panders for, is obscene.People like you have lost so many arguments based on facts and simply resorted to labeling anyone who disagrees with you a racist that it's simply become laughable. Sadly, I get the sense that you're actually dumb enough to believe it, but I have to think most people who throw those accusations around know it's nonsense and just do it because they know it's an effective tactic to silence the opposition and falsely claim the moral high ground. I not only reject iI t outright, I have a good laugh every time I see a post from you or turd, wondering how far in you resort to the racist argument. You guys are a couple putzes.

 

[Sbee]

This post is nothing but proof positive that Democrats will believe anything. Literally every point you've made is in fact incorrect. Hillary broke laws, she was an absolute failure as secretary of state and she has used her position and power to enrich herself. She doesn't care about anyone but herself and she merely pays lip service for votes.

And the worst part is the whole racist nonsense. How dumb you have to be to believe that the racist vote is so big that it's worth pandering to, like it's even close to the size of the minority vote hillary panders for, is obscene.People like you have lost so many arguments based on facts and simply resorted to labeling anyone who disagrees with you a racist that it's simply become laughable. Sadly, I get the sense that you're actually dumb enough to believe it, but I have to think most people who throw those accusations around know it's nonsense and just do it because they know it's an effective tactic to silence the opposition and falsely claim the moral high ground. I not only reject iI t outright, I have a good laugh every time I see a post from you or turd, wondering how far in you resort to the racist argument. You guys are a couple putzes.

She did break laws? the FBI cleared here of any criminal wrongdoing, but you didn't like her to begin with so "lock her up!" She used her position and power to enrich herself? really? she's never taken a salary, there are A+ ratings from charitable watchdog groups, etc. She has succeeded at raising money to do good deeds globally. Is the purpose of the foundation completely altruistic? likely not, it's about advancing her brand but it does help people along the way. I'm sure that Breitbart and Drudge have different takes on it though. I've said many times, she's not my favorite, but I'll vote for her as opposed to Donald Trump and that's what this election is.

For someone who says they're not voting for Trump and they're not a Trump supporter, you spend a hell of a lot of time defending him. Why don't you just own it? Let's talk about that racist vote? I'm not talking about neo-nazi's and klan members, that's a small lunatic fringe. I'm talking about the angry, uneducated white males who like to say "welcome to america, now speak english" or loved bill cosby for his "pull up your pants" comments. That's a larger segment of the population, they don't go to Klan rallies but harbor a lot of resentment and want their country back. I don't call everyone a racist, but when I see racist shit, I call it like it is. I'm saying that Donald Trump plays to those racist tendencies and they eat it up, hell, the Republican speaker of the House said that Trump's comment about a judge was the "textbook definition of a racist comment." He must be a total libtard race baiter, right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Let's talk about that racist vote? I'm not talking about neo-nazi's and klan members, that's a small lunatic fringe. I'm talking about the angry, uneducated white males who like to say "welcome to america, now speak english" or loved bill cosby for his "pull up your pants" comments. That's a larger segment of the population, they don't go to Klan rallies but harbor a lot of resentment and want their country back. I don't call everyone a racist, but when I see racist shit, I call it like it is. I'm saying that Donald Trump plays to those racist tendencies and they eat it up, hell, the Republican speaker of the House said that Trump's comment about a judge was the "textbook definition of a racist comment." He must be a total libtard race baiter, right?

Don't leave wealth out of this. If we're going to stereotype, and we're just looking at numbers instead of percentages, there are more poor white people in this nation than poor black people. Poor white people can bristle at talk of white privilege for reasons other than racism. If you're going to call it like it is, that's a part of it too. I believe bias and discrimination are alive and well, but that doesn't mean that everyone that doesn't see it is racist. There are plenty of people that are skeptical just because they don't see where they have it as well as they're being told they have it.

 

[Michchamp]

Don't leave wealth out of this. If we're going to stereotype, and we're just looking at numbers instead of percentages, there are more poor white people in this nation than poor black people. Poor white people can bristle at talk of white privilege for reasons other than racism. If you're going to call it like it is, that's a part of it too. I believe bias and discrimination are alive and well, but that doesn't mean that everyone that doesn't see it is racist. There are plenty of people that are skeptical just because they don't see where they have it as well as they're being told they have it.

it's too easy to do that, based on the Right's, especially Trump's, racist pandering.

in the sort of political screaming matches we Americans have, there's no opportunity to carve out the nuanced positions necessary to counter racist statements, while at the same time finding room in "the tent" for the voters who may have some sympathy to those racist statements, due to their own frustrations in life, but otherwise should be supporting Bernie Sanders, or at least voting Blue down the ticket.

It's easy to attack rednecks; harder to say to them "look, I understand you're frustrated by your situation, but opposing affirmative action isn't going to help that." that sort of mild discussion is no match for the red meat being tossed to them by Trump.

 

[Sbee]

Don't leave wealth out of this. If we're going to stereotype, and we're just looking at numbers instead of percentages, there are more poor white people in this nation than poor black people. Poor white people can bristle at talk of white privilege for reasons other than racism. If you're going to call it like it is, that's a part of it too. I believe bias and discrimination are alive and well, but that doesn't mean that everyone that doesn't see it is racist. There are plenty of people that are skeptical just because they don't see where they have it as well as they're being told they have it.

I figured uneducated implied poor, but I agree. The blue collar worker has been brutalized in this country due to globalization, technology, corporate interests, etc. Hillary is very status quo, Trump is a billionaire who inherited a fortune from his dad but somehow he's the blue collar choice. There's an easy explanation to that, deporting Mexicans. If you blame the middle class erosion on the political donor class, you supported bernie, if you blame mexicans, you support trump. Somehow these people ignore the employers who hire the illegal labor, they get off Scott free. Of course deporting 11 million people is a monumental and expensive task, but it polls well with the poor, uneducated, white male.

 

[Spartanmack]

She did break laws? the FBI cleared here of any criminal wrongdoing, but you didn't like her to begin with so "lock her up!" She used her position and power to enrich herself? really? she's never taken a salary, there are A+ ratings from charitable watchdog groups, etc. She has succeeded at raising money to do good deeds globally. Is the purpose of the foundation completely altruistic? likely not, it's about advancing her brand but it does help people along the way. I'm sure that Breitbart and Drudge have different takes on it though. I've said many times, she's not my favorite, but I'll vote for her as opposed to Donald Trump and that's what this election is.

For someone who says they're not voting for Trump and they're not a Trump supporter, you spend a hell of a lot of time defending him. Why don't you just own it? Let's talk about that racist vote? I'm not talking about neo-nazi's and klan members, that's a small lunatic fringe. I'm talking about the angry, uneducated white males who like to say "welcome to america, now speak english" or loved bill cosby for his "pull up your pants" comments. That's a larger segment of the population, they don't go to Klan rallies but harbor a lot of resentment and want their country back. I don't call everyone a racist, but when I see racist shit, I call it like it is. I'm saying that Donald Trump plays to those racist tendencies and they eat it up, hell, the Republican speaker of the House said that Trump's comment about a judge was the "textbook definition of a racist comment." He must be a total libtard race baiter, right?

The FBI recommended not charging her - that's not even close to the same thing as clearing her of criminal wrong-doing. It basically said she is above the law. The foundation is a slush fund for her and her family and cronies to fly private all over the world - it had one of the lowest ratings a charity can have and suddenly, out of nowhere it gets a top rating. And what does her drawing a salary from the foundation have to do with it - were you not also aware that before making big donations, many donors hired Bill to speak at $500k+ per engagement? And then they suddenly get some deal approved by the Hillary led State Department. I find it odd that you don't see the pattern for what it is - and it's not for doing good all over the world.

When have I defended Trump? All I've ever said is he isn't racist. Thinking people should assimilate to America by learning the language and other useful skills so they're not a burden on our society isn't racist - it's not even remotely racist. You do realize that most poor immigrants who come here want their kids to learn and be taught in English because they want a better life for their kids - are they self-hating racists? It's what I would expect if I were to relocate to another country. If I moved to Barcelona I wouldn't expect the Spanish government to provide services to me in English - I'd learn the fucking language and their customs and I'd be respectful of their culture.

 

[Spartanmack]

I figured uneducated implied poor, but I agree. The blue collar worker has been brutalized in this country due to globalization, technology, corporate interests, etc. Hillary is very status quo, Trump is a billionaire who inherited a fortune from his dad but somehow he's the blue collar choice. There's an easy explanation to that, deporting Mexicans. If you blame the middle class erosion on the political donor class, you supported bernie, if you blame mexicans, you support trump. Somehow these people ignore the employers who hire the illegal labor, they get off Scott free. Of course deporting 11 million people is a monumental and expensive task, but it polls well with the poor, uneducated, white male.

You left out unions - the single most detrimental factor impacting skilled labor in America.

And who do you blame if you support Hillary - the 1%, i.e. Hillary...no, you blame the racist, white male of course.

 

[Thumb]

When have I defended Trump? All I've ever said is he isn't racist. Thinking people should assimilate to America by learning the language and other useful skills so they're not a burden on our society isn't racist - it's not even remotely racist. You do realize that most poor immigrants who come here want their kids to learn and be taught in English because they want a better life for their kids - are they self-hating racists? It's what I would expect if I were to relocate to another country. If I moved to Barcelona I wouldn't expect the Spanish government to provide services to me in English - I'd learn the fucking language and their customs and I'd be respectful of their culture.

This whole argument you're making here is moot. English is not the national language in the USA, we have no national language. So insisting people adopt a language, customs, and culture, that is in no way required of them just makes you exactly one of those people sbee is talking about.

but...it's not racist at all...

 

[Sbee]

You left out unions - the single most detrimental factor impacting skilled labor in America.

And who do you blame if you support Hillary - the 1%, i.e. Hillary...no, you blame the racist, white male of course.

Union membership has sharply declined and so has the standard of living, but unions never really had a chance, companies were going to chase cheap labor once they had more access to it. We're supposed to be happy with this economic race to the bottom, where people make less money but we can buy cheaper and cheaper shit. Also, I've said many times that Hillary is status quo, she's in the back pocket of the 1%, just like every other candidate I've seen in my lifetime other than Bernie Sanders.

 

[Sbee]

The FBI recommended not charging her - that's not even close to the same thing as clearing her of criminal wrong-doing. It basically said she is above the law. The foundation is a slush fund for her and her family and cronies to fly private all over the world - it had one of the lowest ratings a charity can have and suddenly, out of nowhere it gets a top rating. And what does her drawing a salary from the foundation have to do with it - were you not also aware that before making big donations, many donors hired Bill to speak at $500k+ per engagement? And then they suddenly get some deal approved by the Hillary led State Department. I find it odd that you don't see the pattern for what it is - and it's not for doing good all over the world.

When have I defended Trump? All I've ever said is he isn't racist. Thinking people should assimilate to America by learning the language and other useful skills so they're not a burden on our society isn't racist - it's not even remotely racist. You do realize that most poor immigrants who come here want their kids to learn and be taught in English because they want a better life for their kids - are they self-hating racists? It's what I would expect if I were to relocate to another country. If I moved to Barcelona I wouldn't expect the Spanish government to provide services to me in English - I'd learn the fucking language and their customs and I'd be respectful of their culture.

So if the FBI recommended charging her, you'd say she's a criminal and she broke the law. the FBI recommends not charging her and the FBI is saying she's above the law, I guess your mind was made up from the begining, she was guilty in your mind no matter what they said.

Hillary and Bill had the money and connections to fly private whenever they wanted, either they would pay for it or they would lean on a huge donor/friend/influencer and it would happen, they didn't need the foundation for that. Are you saying that politicians don't show favoritism to the wealthy and powerful? oh my god, that's such a shocking revelation, that's completely exclusive to the Clintons, if she's defeated, then we don't have to worry about donors purchasing influence. it all stops if she loses.

 

[Sbee]

This whole argument you're making here is moot. English is not the national language in the USA, we have no national language. So insisting people adopt a language, customs, and culture, that is in no way required of them just makes you exactly one of those people sbee is talking about.

but...it's not racist at all...

It makes a huge difference if the guy cutting your lawn or picking fruit speaks English. It's not that we don't like Mexicans, we just don't like people speaking Spanish, but we really like cheap labor!

 

[Spartanmack]

This whole argument you're making here is moot. English is not the national language in the USA, we have no national language. So insisting people adopt a language, customs, and culture, that is in no way required of them just makes you exactly one of those people sbee is talking about.

but...it's not racist at all...

Ah, so since English isn't the official language - it's just the most widely spoken by a long shot, our taxpayers should have to fund all government services, including education in every language. Makes sense, and anyone who feels otherwise is racist.