I'm not usually one to complain about refs, but

[rumseyhouse77]

Man! That was frustrating! Even Lou Holtz said that was a TD and pass interference. For cryin out loud, how many times do they have to score a TD for them to call it. Total botch by the refs at the end they decided the game. Could Hoke have thrown the red flag to ask for a review on that last play or does their have to be some kind of penalty called on the field?

 

[biggunsbob]

I saw the last four plays at Ford Field on a small tv with a High school coach. I need to ask a couple things.. First i was listening on the drive down to my daughters band competition.. It sounds like our play calling is really sub-par... Why dosent' DR scramble more? he hardly ever try's to get yards on busted plays by running... Getting back to the last four plays... Was Roundtree's catch before the plays a first down? Because if it was who the hell is calling a timeout? As my friend the coach is telling me the Clock stops on a first down. The correct play is a spike and then you have three plays and your timeout in your back pocket... You can still run the ball on second or third down if you have that timeout.. Just not very good clock management.. But then we had a TD that was taken away from us and then a Mugging happened on 4th down. Plus the radio guys said Iowa's first INT was thrown into triple coverage by DR and that receiver was mugged also.. Very frustrating.. But again why the hurry up with a minute to go in second down... You have to make sure you get at least a FG attempt out of that drive... What a crap hole day...

 

[hungry]

biggunsbob[/color]]I saw the last four plays at Ford Field on a small tv with a High school coach. I need to ask a couple things.. First i was listening on the drive down to my daughters band competition.. It sounds like our play calling is really sub-par... Why dosent' DR scramble more? he hardly ever try's to get yards on busted plays by running... Getting back to the last four plays... Was Roundtree's catch before the plays a first down? Because if it was who the hell is calling a timeout? As my friend the coach is telling me the Clock stops on a first down. The correct play is a spike and then you have three plays and your timeout in your back pocket... You can still run the ball on second or third down if you have that timeout.. Just not very good clock management.. But then we had a TD that was taken away from us and then a Mugging happened on 4th down. Plus the radio guys said Iowa's first INT was thrown into triple coverage by DR and that receiver was mugged also.. Very frustrating.. But again why the hurry up with a minute to go in second down... You have to make sure you get at least a FG attempt out of that drive... What a crap hole day...

Yeah, Bob. They completely wasted that time-out. Stupid thing was Iowa previously went 3nOut. Michigan stopped Iowa with about 2:35 to go and had one time-out. They let Iowa run the clock down to about 2:10 and then punt the ball, saving the time-out. This wasted 25-30 seconds. The memo reads to always use time-outs on d, because you can run out of bounds, get first downs, and spike the ball on offense, yet they ignored this time-tested rule in order to save a time-out that they would later waste. Roundtree's catch was a 1st and goal at the 3. They immediately called time-out and then brought out Dnard and had him try to be a pocket passer 4 times in a row from the 3 yard line...horrible!

You pointed out just one option, spiking the ball. They could, also, have run up to the line and ran a quick QB draw/keeper, then called time-out if Denard doesnt get in...I don't know about you, but if I have Denard, I'm running him on first down, rolling the pocket, giving him the option of passing, running, or throwing the ball away on 2nd and 3rd, and then running him on 4th down.

 

[wolverine304]

Well to be fair we should have scored 3 times lol

 

[hungry]

Complaining about the refs should be OK. As a human being, when I travel this world and I encounter someone doing a good job, I tell them they're doing a good job, sometimes with words, sometimes with money. As a fan, when I see a ref make a call or miss a call against my team that I disagree with, then I'm going to complain. This does NOT mean that I'm blaming the refs for the loss. Take the Michigan vs Iowa game as an example. There is no way of knowing what might've happened if the "not catch" by Hemmingway was ruled a 'catch.' It just would've given Michigan 6 points. The team still would've had to be successful on the 2 point conversion and then go into OT to determine the winner. I think it was a bad call and I'm going to complain. I am, also, going to complain about the 4 missed PI's that should've been called on Iowa. It is a common theme that the referees miss as many calls for the opposing team and we just don't notice it, because we're looking for calls against our team. If that was the case in this game, then the refs did a horrible job and should be fired. This just means exactly what I said, they did a horrible job. If I did that bad at my job, I'd be reprimanded or fired. If I got service like that at a restaurant, I would leave an insulting tip and maybe drop a line to the manager. Yet fans of rivals always come in here and act like we can't complain about the refs and say we can only complain about the players on the team we root for and their coaches. That's a dumb rule.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Fans of every team complain about the refs. Coaches complain about refs - Lane Kiffin got a lot of heat last week for complaining about not getting his time out in the Stanford game.

I'm sure those knuckle headed Sparty fans who like to come over and give us grief complain about the refs as much as or more than fans of any other team complain whenever they think Sparty has gotten hosed by the refs.

 

[TheVictors]

I just hate how 'reviewing' plays has caused officiating to be worse.

In the Wisky/Sparty game you have the TV booth ref overrule the guy 5 feet from the play who says 'No TD' to give Sparty its greatest football moment ever, rather than defer to the guy right there and have the game go into OT but then yesterday, the TV booth ref defers to the guy on the field assuming he saw something besides what the reply showed, which was a TD.

Then you have all these ticky tacky calls about 'taunting' or 'late hits' that are emasculating the game and taking some of the fun out, rather than just letting the players play.

The :01 loss to State was 2001 and the infamous timekeeper who stopped the clock at :01 giving Duckett his game-winning catch in the back of the endzone ....Desmond got pushed out of bounds at M Stadium in 1990 (I believe).

 

[michlady77]

and if they had called teh td first, it would have stsood on review

argh

 

[TheVictors]

Yep ML, that was what I said at our game gathering. My buddy was furious and my brother was saying it was a catch and I said it's all what the guy on the field called, which was a bad call .....which is SUPPOSEDLY what replay is for in the first place.

 

[tsume99]

One of my mother's Facebook friends, a diehard Buckeye, posted that UM's TD should've counted. When you have Spartans and Buckeyes agreeing with you, you know something's wrong. I'd like to know how much money was shoved down the refs' pants (or how many of them were threatened) to make sure Iowa got the win. Mind you, I don't think UM would've necessarily won even if the catch had counted, but the zebras didn't help at all.

Don't know if anyone here follows horse racing, but there was a similarly egregious overturning of an objection in one of yesterday's Breeders Cup races. All this combined with the snoozefest that was LSU-Alabama, and my Saturday pretty much sucked sports-wise.

 

[michlady77]

i was on a place where wisky fan also thought we were hosed

 

[greenandwhite95]

TinselWolverine[/color]]Fans of every team complain about the refs. Coaches complain about refs - Lane Kiffin got a lot of heat last week for complaining about not getting his time out in the Stanford game.

I'm sure those knuckle headed Sparty fans who like to come over and give us grief complain about the refs as much as or more than fans of any other team complain whenever they think Sparty has gotten hosed by the refs.

This Sparty fan still thinks you got Hosed. Just watched the play again, don't know how that isn't a TD. Replay has really muffed some calls, BUT, it still makes the game more fair. More calls are corrected that would not be without it.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

What I hate is when the video guys won't make a call - they'll say "inconclusive evidence" or whatever. That rule makes sense when there isn't a good camera shot, the video got blocked or you simply just couldn't see the ball or play from the video angle. In this case, I have a problem with it because they could clearly see the entire play, from both sides, and the ball the entire way through. Yet instead of overturning the call they left a controversial decision untouched. Yet that's exactly what replay is for. There's no way the refs could have possibly seen that play well enough to make an accurate decision.

 

[jever4321]

You could make an argument that Hemmingway didn't maintain control of the ball through the entire catch because the ball hit the ground out of bounds. I wasn't that surprised they called it incomplete. I was pisssed, but not surprised.

 

[hungry]

What does it hurt if they call it complete? Michigan still has to get the 2 pt conversion and play OT. To me, sometimes the idea should be to not let the call determine the outcome of the game. In this case it did. If they would've called it a td, that call wouldn't have determined the game.

Same with the MSU game. Call it down at the 1 and play OT. That way a ref is not deciding the outcome of the game. If it can be avoided, it should be.

 

[deathroh]

You could make an argument that Hemmingway didn't maintain control of the ball through the entire catch because the ball hit the ground out of bounds. I wasn't that surprised they called it incomplete. I was pisssed, but not surprised.

Exactly what I thought.

The missing pass interference call was bullshit of course.

 

[hungry]

You could make an argument that Hemmingway didn't maintain control of the ball through the entire catch because the ball hit the ground out of bounds. I wasn't that surprised they called it incomplete. I was pisssed, but not surprised.

Exactly what I thought.

The missing pass interference call was bullshit of course.

All 4 of them...

 

[Michchamp]

You could make an argument that Hemmingway didn't maintain control of the ball through the entire catch because the ball hit the ground out of bounds. I wasn't that surprised they called it incomplete. I was pisssed, but not surprised.

Exactly what I thought.

The missing pass interference call was bullshit of course.

yeah, the no-call PI was a lot worse. I wasn't sure at the time, because the announcers seemed to want the game over and just get the hell out of there... but looking at that picture, you gotta wonder what they were looking at.

 

[jever4321]

Exactly what I thought.

The missing pass interference call was bullshit of course.

yeah, the no-call PI was a lot worse. I wasn't sure at the time, because the announcers seemed to want the game over and just get the hell out of there... but looking at that picture, you gotta wonder what they were looking at.

It was seriously hard to miss the PI. I was bitching about it immediately. They took their good sweet time showing a replay on tv as well, so I rewound the DVR to see it again. IMO that was a ridiculously clear penalty. One that I would have expected to be called on UM if it were reversed.

 

[hungry]

yeah, the no-call PI was a lot worse. I wasn't sure at the time, because the announcers seemed to want the game over and just get the hell out of there... but looking at that picture, you gotta wonder what they were looking at.

It was seriously hard to miss the PI. I was bitching about it immediately. They took their good sweet time showing a replay on tv as well, so I rewound the DVR to see it again. IMO that was a ridiculously clear penalty. One that I would have expected to be called on UM if it were reversed.

AND again, if they make that call, it doesn't decide the game, if they do not make that call, then the game is over...so the game is decided on a no-call.

The best ref is a ref that is not noticed and doesn't determine the outcome of a game with a call or a non-call. Calling PI there wouldn't have determined the game, just taken it out of the hands of the referees...unless they were put in another bad position the next play.