Jan 1 Bowl Games

[tomdalton22]

I'm assuming you pulled that out of your ass but even if it's true, you do realize that ultimately losing the game doesn't mean they were out of it, right?

no...went back and looked. Maybe they weren't "out of it" based on your definition but the end results are not debatable.

 

[biggunsbob]

I still think Oregon's offense is gimmicky though I'm happy they took out FSU the way they did. Hell, I don't even know how officials can keep up with it and make sure their properly aligned on every play. So many of their scores seem to come after you've bottled them up for awhile and then they spring a big one because the defense was disorganized.

But so was Baylors offense and it ripped MSU's defense... You guys do realize so many things and to go right for that comeback yesterday.. I mean most of you guys were all bailing on the team down big going into the 4th. I don't think the up tempo offense is gimmick a all... Its just up tempo and like you said its hard for defenses to keep up.. Especially big linemen

 

[biggunsbob]

Mariota has Phil Knight hush money...

Don't all programs have Hush Money ? Some just have more then others

 

[Spartanmack]

no...went back and looked. Maybe they weren't "out of it" based on your definition but the end results are not debatable.

that's true, but we're not debating the end results. We're debating whether or not MSU was out of it against Oregon by the 4th quarter. They weren't. I know you won't admit that you're wrong and that's fine, people who know what they're talking about know we still had a good chance to win that game. We didn't win it and with the garbage time TD, the score actually got worse, but again, the end result is not something anyone is disputing.

by the way, how far back did you have to go to find 10 games MSU was losing by double digits (but less than 2 scores) at the start of or very early in the 4th quarter? I'm guessing at least 2009 and probably much further.

 

[Spartanmack]

Don't all programs have Hush Money ? Some just have more then others

maybe but I doubt it. I don't have any idea if Oregon even has Phil Knight hush money, I was just making a joke about what a scumbag Phil Knight is.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

But so was Baylors offense and it ripped MSU's defense... You guys do realize so many things and to go right for that comeback yesterday.. I mean most of you guys were all bailing on the team down big going into the 4th. I don't think the up tempo offense is gimmick a all... Its just up tempo and like you said its hard for defenses to keep up.. Especially big linemen

MSU was outplayed and the fact we were down by 21 with 13:00 left in the 4th before we throw our first pass over 15 yards in the air is a joke. The play calls were horrendous and they went deep on us over and over with no adjustments . The fact we have been down and had to come back in 4 times in bowls during the MD area is ridiculous. Im happy with a win in any situation but conservative "hold on and squeak out a win" mentality is never going to win a NC. Last year the calls were aggressive, this year they were overly conservative especially in the 2nd half of many games. Yesterday was the most gratifying/frustrating win I remember. Pretty lucky in my opinion .

 

[tomdalton22]

that's true, but we're not debating the end results. We're debating whether or not MSU was out of it against Oregon by the 4th quarter. They weren't. I know you won't admit that you're wrong and that's fine, people who know what they're talking about know we still had a good chance to win that game. We didn't win it and with the garbage time TD, the score actually got worse, but again, the end result is not something anyone is disputing.

by the way, how far back did you have to go to find 10 games MSU was losing by double digits (but less than 2 scores) at the start of or very early in the 4th quarter? I'm guessing at least 2009 and probably much further.

yes...I think I had to go back to 2009.

My point is this...if a team is down double digits in the 4th quarter they are going to lose most of the time. Since 2009 MSU has lost 9 of 10 with scenario. We are just debating the what the meaning of "the game was over". To me...if a team loses 90% of the time in a given scenario "the game is over". They might come back from a deficit like that once every 6 years but those kind of come backs are few and far between.

Of course you throw in the garbage time TD that Oregon scored but with 7 minutes left in the OSU game MSU was down 18...then MSU scored a "garbage time TD" as you call them.

 

[Sbee]

But so was Baylors offense and it ripped MSU's defense... You guys do realize so many things and to go right for that comeback yesterday.. I mean most of you guys were all bailing on the team down big going into the 4th. I don't think the up tempo offense is gimmick a all... Its just up tempo and like you said its hard for defenses to keep up.. Especially big linemen

usually when there's a big comeback there's also a big collapse but that didn't happen. There were no turnovers during our 21-0 run, no muffed punts or bug mistakes. MSU scored TD's and got stops on defense. we were the ones turning it over actually. They helped us with that offensive face mask but that was a few plays after the refs blew a hold on Langford when cook threw rat underhand int. Baylor got more breaks than we did at the end, we earned that comeback, it wasn't given to us.

 

[Spartanmack]

yes...I think I had to go back to 2009.

My point is this...if a team is down double digits in the 4th quarter they are going to lose most of the time. Since 2009 MSU has lost 9 of 10 with scenario. We are just debating the what the meaning of "the game was over". To me...if a team loses 90% of the time in a given scenario "the game is over". They might come back from a deficit like that once every 6 years but those kind of come backs are few and far between.

Of course you throw in the garbage time TD that Oregon scored but with 7 minutes left in the OSU game MSU was down 18...then MSU scored a "garbage time TD" as you call them.

Do you realize that down 18 is more than 2 scores? There's no way you only had to go back to 2009 to find 10 games MSU was down between 10 and 16 points to start or early in the 4th quarter. Maybe you were looking at michigan's schedules.

What does MSU's garbage time TD in the OSU game have to do with anything? Did I deny that it was a garbage time TD or did I say we weren't out of that game at that point?

 

[tomdalton22]

usually when there's a big comeback there's also a big collapse but that didn't happen. There were no turnovers during our 21-0 run, no muffed punts or bug mistakes. MSU scored TD's and got stops on defense. we were the ones turning it over actually. They helped us with that offensive face mask but that was a few plays after the refs blew a hold on Langford when cook threw rat underhand int. Baylor got more breaks than we did at the end, we earned that comeback, it wasn't given to us.

All in the 4th quarter

A missed FG, a blocked FG, stupid & unecessary block in the back on the pick 6 and Baylor screwing up not ready for an on-side kick (I couldn't believe they weren't ready for that)

I don't want to dismiss the comeback and the victory...but Baylor seemed to stop playing in the 4th. Great win by MSU though...glad they pulled it off.

 

[Spartanmack]

All in the 4th quarter

A missed FG, a blocked FG, stupid & unecessary block in the back on the pick 6 and Baylor screwing up not ready for an on-side kick (I couldn't believe they weren't ready for that)

I don't want to dismiss the comeback and the victory...but Baylor seemed to stop playing in the 4th. Great win by MSU though...glad they pulled it off.

I'm glad they pulled it off too and I'm not denying that comeback was improbable. I'm disagreeing with your statement that we were out of it in the Oregon game by the 4th quarter. We weren't. If you don't want to admit that, fine but you're wrong and arguing about something I'm not saying doesn't change that.

 

[biggunsbob]

usually when there's a big comeback there's also a big collapse but that didn't happen. There were no turnovers during our 21-0 run, no muffed punts or bug mistakes. MSU scored TD's and got stops on defense. we were the ones turning it over actually. They helped us with that offensive face mask but that was a few plays after the refs blew a hold on Langford when cook threw rat underhand int. Baylor got more breaks than we did at the end, we earned that comeback, it wasn't given to us.

Blocked FG :/ Was it great defense or poor blocking? execution ? worse then a muffed punt.
Block in the back, face mask or the blocked FG... Just one and MSU loses....
The freaking onside Kick LOL.....

Sbee you can't sit there and say that 1234 things did not have to go right for you to comeback from 20... Great job.. I bet most of your board was bailing... I did say on the other board if MSU scores real fast down 20 it would be a game. The comeback was a gift from the football heavens... Just admit it... Like has been posted 9 out of 10 times that is a loss....

 

[Sbee]

Blocked FG :/ Was it great defense or poor blocking? execution ? worse then a muffed punt.
Block in the back, face mask or the blocked FG... Just one and MSU loses....

Sbee you can't sit there and say that 1234 things did not have to go right for you to comeback from 20... Great job.. I bet most of your board was bailing... I did say on the other board if MSU scores real fast down 20 it would be a game. The comeback was a gift from the football heavens... Just admit it... Like has been posted 9 out of 10 times that is a loss....

the block in the back doesn't happen if there wasn't a hold on Langford, a blatant, obvious hold.

MSU won it more than Baylor lost it, no turnovers, giveaways. You want it to be a gift but it wasn't, we got stops, sacks, and made big plays. the one somewhat gift was only possible because of a blown call.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm glad they pulled it off too and I'm not denying that comeback was improbable. I'm disagreeing with your statement that we were out of it in the Oregon game by the 4th quarter. We weren't. If you don't want to admit that, fine but you're wrong and arguing about something I'm not saying doesn't change that.

you saying I am wrong with my opinion that they were out of the game doesn't make it fact. The only factual evidence in the matter is that they did actually lose that game.

 

[biggunsbob]

the block in the back doesn't happen if there wasn't a hold on Langford, a blatant, obvious hold.

MSU won it more than Baylor lost it, no turnovers, giveaways. You want it to be a gift but it wasn't, we got stops, sacks, and made big plays. the one somewhat gift was only possible because of a blown call.

It was a gift... Just admit it... Take what you said away..

Onside kick Pure gift. Game over if Baylor recovers..
Facemask... Game over if Baylor does not gift that to you.
Block FG.. Game over if Baylor Blocks.

Besides the great quarter MSU played ....Tons of stuff went MSU ways...Just admit it...
even the espn probability model had MSU winning down big at 1.8 % LOL...
Yes it was giving away By Baylor....

 

[tomdalton22]

the block in the back doesn't happen if there wasn't a hold on Langford, a blatant, obvious hold.

MSU won it more than Baylor lost it, no turnovers, giveaways. You want it to be a gift but it wasn't, we got stops, sacks, and made big plays. the one somewhat gift was only possible because of a blown call.

you don't know that Cook wouldn't have tried that same shitty shovel pass if Langford didn't get held. WTF was Cook thinking on that play?

MSU won it but Baylor helped a shit ton. Missed FGs, not being ready for an obvious on side kick situation and taking the foot off the gas.

 

[Spartanmack]

you saying I am wrong with my opinion that they were out of the game doesn't make it fact. The only factual evidence in the matter is that they did actually lose that game.

That's right, me saying your opinion is wrong is not what makes it a fact. The fact that we weren't out of the game until Oregon ran the clock down inside of 2 minutes and then got a garbage time TD is what makes your opinion wrong. Nobody who knows anything about football would say that game was over by the 4th quarter. You could say the momentum had shifted and it looked like MSU was in trouble, but to say the game was over is definitely not accurate.

 

[biggunsbob]

Iowa already down 28-0 and wait till you see what the Iowa player did on the kickoff...

Probably one of the dumbest plays I have ever seen on a football field...

 

[gotime909]

It was a gift... Just admit it... Take what you said away..

Onside kick Pure gift. Game over if Baylor recovers..
Facemask... Game over if Baylor does not gift that to you.
Block FG.. Game over if Baylor Blocks.

Besides the great quarter MSU played ....Tons of stuff went MSU ways...Just admit it...
even the espn probability model had MSU winning down big at 1.8 % LOL...
Yes it was giving away By Baylor....

I get what you're saying, but 2 of the 3 examples you listed were plays that MSU executed and I don't think you can call gifts. The other, as sbee stated, only happened because of a horribly missed call.

I felt the game was over, but it had more to do with MSU blowing chances. Shit, we had 2 picks inside the 15 on drives that were moving great.

 

[Sbee]

It was a gift... Just admit it... Take what you said away..

Onside kick Pure gift. Game over if Baylor recovers..
Facemask... Game over if Baylor does not gift that to you.
Block FG.. Game over if Baylor Blocks.

Besides the great quarter MSU played ....Tons of stuff went MSU ways...Just admit it...
even the espn probability model had MSU winning down big at 1.8 % LOL...
Yes it was giving away By Baylor....

As much as you want it to be a gift it wasn't. The refs gave baylor a gift on the interception play, the onside kick was good execution, maybe a missed fg was somewhat of a gift but what kicker is consistently money from 46?

MSU offense and defense won the game. We made baylor one dimensional, they couldn't move the ball on the ground at all and therefore couldn't kill the clock at all. We took some risks by dialing up more blitzes but you have to gamble in that situation and petty hurried throws. One the blocked field goal we takckled them for a loss a few times to make it a long attempt. On offense we didn't rush stayed balanced and didn't even have that many big plays. We just moved the ball and stopped them.