Jeffrey Epstein matter reopened... going to get ugly

[byco42]

I thought he was the creator's kid

He is. The Trinity. Three in One. Consubstantial.

 

[tomdalton22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqZnKtknjfg

 

[tinselwolverine]

TomDalton, when I first met my current wife, I was banging some other broad at the same time.

I would spend Monday nights with one of them and then bang her again in the morning, and then bang the other one that night.

I would joke to my wife at the time, whom I wasn’t living with nor was banging, that it was “twofer Tuesday.”

That is a great line, I should’ve trademarked it at the time, the way Trump trademarkEd “you’re fired.”

As fondly as I look back on my “twofer Tuesday” days, the concept doesn’t hold a candle to the “God the three in one” concept.

 

[Michchamp]

health care (primarily due to misguided regulation) and education (primarily due to artificially low interest rates and lack of accountability in university spending) are out of control but people don't actually need college. It's a luxury, particularly when we're talking about most of the useless liberal arts degrees.

the rate of price increases per square foot on homes from 1963 to 2008 was 4.2%, that's below the rate of inflation which was 4.4% during that same period.

Price per square footage (wherever you got that from) seems like a unusual measure to use; I mean, you buy a house, you don't buy a bunch of square footage. And regardless, flies in the face of everything I've read about housing becoming less affordable, particularly in places people want to live, like NYC, and big cities in California.

This article about a nationwide housing crisis contradicts you. across the entire country, living costs - both to buy and rent - have significantly outpaced the growth in wages over the last few decades.

I don't agree with your reasoning regarding health care and college costs either, but you're not disputing those costs have significantly outpaced inflation.

huge medical and educational costs essentially destroy the middle class of this country; you're hardly free if every cent you earn goes to pay rent and debt on education and medical debt (if you're unlucky enough to have that as well)z

my point stands.

 

[Spartanmack]

Price per square footage (wherever you got that from) seems like a unusual measure to use; I mean, you buy a house, you don't buy a bunch of square footage. And regardless, flies in the face of everything I've read about housing becoming less affordable, particularly in places people want to live, like NYC, and big cities in California.

This article about a nationwide housing crisis contradicts you. across the entire country, living costs - both to buy and rent - have significantly outpaced the growth in wages over the last few decades.

I don't agree with your reasoning regarding health care and college costs either, but you're not disputing those costs have significantly outpaced inflation.

huge medical and educational costs essentially destroy the middle class of this country; you're hardly free if every cent you earn goes to pay rent and debt on education and medical debt (if you're unlucky enough to have that as well)z

my point stands.

Apparently you don't understand how inflation is measured. Inflation is the year over year change in the price of a basket of goods. However, over time, that basket changes with things like new developments in technology, peoples' taste, etc. So adjustments are made to the basket to account for these changes. One of the changes over the last 60 years is the average home size, as well as the materials and technology that go into it (homes are more energy efficient, PVC and pex have replaced cast iron and copper plumbing, vynil windows replace wood and iron, etc, etc). Since Americans are buying much bigger homes than they were a couple of generations ago (and it's not just the rich), an adjustment needs to be made when measuring inflation. A rather simple way to account for this change in preference and technology is to measure the cost per square foot. So if you compare homes of similar sizes you will see that the prices haven't skyrocketed out of control. Housing prices have increased at less than the rate of inflation. And by the way, when you buy an actual house, you are in fact, buying a bunch of square footage. It may seem unusual to you but anyone in the commercial or residential real estate business will tell you they price real property per square foot.

And by the way, I didn't read your article because if it says what you say it says, it doesn't contradict me.

We agree on the cost of education and health care but you clearly don't understand the cause and therefore you propose a nonsensical solution which I completely disagree with.

 

[tomdalton22]

Apparently you don't understand how inflation is measured. Inflation is the year over year change in the price of a basket of goods. However, over time, that basket changes with things like new developments in technology, peoples' taste, etc. So adjustments are made to the basket to account for these changes. One of the changes over the last 60 years is the average home size, as well as the materials and technology that go into it (homes are more energy efficient, PVC and pex have replaced cast iron and copper plumbing, vynil windows replace wood and iron, etc, etc). Since Americans are buying much bigger homes than they were a couple of generations ago (and it's not just the rich), an adjustment needs to be made when measuring inflation. A rather simple way to account for this change in preference and technology is to measure the cost per square foot. So if you compare homes of similar sizes you will see that the prices haven't skyrocketed out of control. Housing prices have increased at less than the rate of inflation. And by the way, when you buy an actual house, you are in fact, buying a bunch of square footage. It may seem unusual to you but anyone in the commercial or residential real estate business will tell you they price real property per square foot.

And by the way, I didn't read your article because if it says what you say it says, it doesn't contradict me.

We agree on the cost of education and health care but you clearly don't understand the cause and therefore you propose a nonsensical solution which I completely disagree with.

As far as real estate is concerned, you are correct. Price per sf is the best way to compare home costs, especially if you are trying to compare different eras. Homes are getting larger and larger. The average size of new builds in the 1960's was about 1000sf. Today, it's well over 2500sf.

 

[Michchamp]

As far as real estate is concerned, you are correct. Price per sf is the best way to compare home costs, especially if you are trying to compare different eras. Homes are getting larger and larger. The average size of new builds in the 1960's was about 1000sf. Today, it's well over 2500sf.

ah, so even though the avg. house is a whopping 1500 square feet larger than the avg house 40-50 years ago, there's no reason housing costs should be more expensive today, because we can't do math here on this board, and also because of a cherry-picked statistic, with no link to it's source. thanks for pointing this out.

and even though studies have shown that the cost of renting/owning a home has outstripped wages across the nation, this is just not real. no. everything is amazing right now, except liberals, leftists, and socialists exist for some reason.

EDIT: And Americans are dying over street drug overdoses and killing themselves in record numbers, but that's just like, because, ah, they need better health care or something, not because they're despairing of life and society is collapsing and failing to provide peoples' basic needs.

 

[Spartanmack]

wow, this is some word salad you've tossed here...

ah, so even though the avg. house is a whopping 1500 square feet larger than the avg house 40-50 years ago, there's no reason housing costs should be more expensive today, because we can't do math here on this board, and also because of a cherry-picked statistic, with no link to it's source. thanks for pointing this out.

Seriously? "A whopping 1,500 square feet larger..." You do realize that's 2.5 times - a whole HOUSE AND A HALF - larger, right? And no one is saying housing costs shouldn't be more expensive - we're saying they obviously should because they're 2.5x bigger. What I'm saying is if you compare the costs now vs. then on an apples to apples comparison, the increase is right in line with the historical average for inflation - not out of control.

and even though studies have shown that the cost of renting/owning a home has outstripped wages across the nation, this is just not real. no. everything is amazing right now, except liberals, leftists, and socialists exist for some reason.

housing may have outstripped the growth in wages but I'm wondering if your analysis is based on cost per square foot or average home price. If it's the latter, it's not really valid. Has inflation outpaced wage growth over that time? If so, by how much?

EDIT: And Americans are dying over street drug overdoses and killing themselves in record numbers, but that's just like, because, ah, they need better health care or something, not because they're despairing of life and society is collapsing and failing to provide peoples' basic needs.

now you've gone off the rails, are changing the subject and taking a major leap. The heroine epidemic is evidence that housing prices have skyrocketed over the last couple generations, because people can't buy houses and are homeless and therefore desperate to end it all with a heroine or fentynol overdose? This is bob-level illogic. If society is collapsing, it's being led by the SJW and PC morons demanding adherence to anti-scientific worldview, not because house prices increased at about the same rate as inflation.

Personally, I think the heroine epidemic has everything to do with the over-prescribing of hardcore narcotic pain killers called opiates and a poor strategy for stopping the flow of narcotics into the country, including lax control of our southern border. It has very little if anything to do with the still very dangerous leftist worldview and nothing to do with house prices. And how about people buck up and provide their own basic needs instead of shooting smack? They're basic needs for crap sake - for a guy who thinks adding an extra 1,500 square feet to a 1,000 square foot is not a big difference, you set pretty low expectations for personal responsibility.

 

[tomdalton22]

ah, so even though the avg. house is a whopping 1500 square feet larger than the avg house 40-50 years ago, there's no reason housing costs should be more expensive today, because we can't do math here on this board, and also because of a cherry-picked statistic, with no link to it's source. thanks for pointing this out.

and even though studies have shown that the cost of renting/owning a home has outstripped wages across the nation, this is just not real. no. everything is amazing right now, except liberals, leftists, and socialists exist for some reason.

EDIT: And Americans are dying over street drug overdoses and killing themselves in record numbers, but that's just like, because, ah, they need better health care or something, not because they're despairing of life and society is collapsing and failing to provide peoples' basic needs.

where you live, would expect to pay the same amount for a 1000 sf house as a you would for a 2500 sf house?

so people that OD are dying because of "despair of life" and because "society" isn't providing their basic needs? :tup:

 

[TheVictors]

I can't believe the sitting president is a fucking child rapist and pedophile. The man deserves to be locked in prison with Jeffrey Epstein and a cell full of Prison rapists.

 

[Michchamp]

I can't believe the sitting president is a fucking child rapist and pedophile. The man deserves to be locked in prison with Jeffrey Epstein and a cell full of Prison rapists.

You just hate America now, that's all.

They've recycled standard Bush-era "I can't argue with you, so you hate America" garbage. what's old is new.

You hate America... and you don't support... the troops!

GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY. NO, THAT'S MY COUNTRY. NO, NO, THE OTHER ONE!

 

[Spartanmack]

You just hate America now, that's all.

They've recycled standard Bush-era "I can't argue with you, so you hate America" garbage. what's old is new.

You hate America... and you don't support... the troops!

GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY. NO, THAT'S MY COUNTRY. NO, NO, THE OTHER ONE!

this made me laugh coming from the "i can't argue with you, so you're a racist."

Got any evidence to support this latest accusation?

 

[TheVictors]

If Trump had served in Vietnam, he would have been fragged by his own platoon and none of this would have ever happened.

 

[tigermud]

"It's Going To Be Staggering": Epstein Associates Prepare For Worst As Massive Document Dump Imminent

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...ssociates-prepare-worst-massive-document-dump

What's more, the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release of approximately 2,000 pages of documents, likely over the next several days, which may reveal sex crimes committed by "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders," according to the court's three-judge panel.

The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein?s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. ?Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. It?s all going to come out,? said Giuffre?s lawyer David Boies. Another person involved with litigation against Epstein told me: ?It?s going to be staggering, the amount of names. It?s going to be contagion numbers.? -Vanity Fair

 

[tigermud]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/horrors-of-jeffrey-epstein-private-island

Locals say Epstein was flying in underage girls long after his conviction for sex crimes?and authorities did nothing to stop him. ?It was like he was flaunting it,? says an employee at the airstrip on St. Thomas. ?But it was said that he always tipped really well, so everyone overlooked it.?

 

[TheVictors]

Still can’t believe the ‘president’ is a child molester.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aribbean-island-building-compound-prison.html

 

[Spartanmack]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aribbean-island-building-compound-prison.html

Doesn't he know like, in like 12 years those properties are going to be under water? He is a Democrat afterall. Yet he continues to throw money at them. Makes no sense.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Near miss?

 

[byco42]

Epstein has a half-life briefer than hydrogen-7 and he's as radioactive.