Jeffrey Epstein matter reopened... going to get ugly

[Michchamp]

Doesn't he know like, in like 12 years those properties are going to be under water? He is a Democrat afterall. Yet he continues to throw money at them. Makes no sense.

I wouldn't expect the sort of guy who would run a pedophile ring to be too concerned with long term environmental changes.

And the DNC has openly opposed allowing the topic of climate change into the debates, and their hero, Barack Obama, recently bragged about greatly expanding production of fossil fuels during his tenure (two parties that agree on everything but abortion) so I don't know why you think that matters (but just between you and me, I think it's probably because you're not
too quick when it comes to understanding this sort of thing).

 

[Spartanmack]

I wouldn't expect the sort of guy who would run a pedophile ring to be too concerned with long term environmental changes.

And the DNC has openly opposed allowing the topic of climate change into the debates, and their hero, Barack Obama, recently bragged about greatly expanding production of fossil fuels during his tenure (two parties that agree on everything but abortion) so I don't know why you think that matters (but just between you and me, I think it's probably because you're not
too quick when it comes to understanding this sort of thing).

so if you were to draw a venn diagram of pedophiles and environmentalists, there would be no overlap? Seems like a baseless, odd and stupid presumption.

anyway, between you and me, it's because climate alarmism is the nearly exclusive domain of Democrats, particularly leftists morons and (you may not be picking up on this because when it comes to understanding these sorts of things, you actually never seem to get it no matter how obvious), moronic leftists, like Bernie Sanders are taking control of the Democratic party - at least during the primaries.

Now it's possible after the primaries, if one of the less moronic candidates than loonbag, shiftless layabout Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, they may move toward the center but right now, it's a giant clown show of morons trying to out woke each other. And I have no doubt the near and probably long term direction of the Democrat party is further and further toward the regressive left.

 

[sggatecl]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aribbean-island-building-compound-prison.html

Seems like a real asshole.

 

[Michchamp]

Epstein dead... suicided in jail. Lots of secrets can stay buried now.

 

[byco42]

Epstein dead... suicided in jail. Lots of secrets can stay buried now.

Gee, ya think? Was he struck by a bolt of lightning? And these secrets are not secret to the One he has to face now. May God have mercy on his soul.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Epstein dead... suicided in jail. Lots of secrets can stay buried now.

Not necessarily.

Alleged victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre came forward and named Bill Richardson and George Mitchell yesterday, adding to the other prominent names that have been in the news.

We?ll see.

 

[byco42]

Not necessarily.

Alleged victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre came forward and named Bill Richardson and George Mitchell yesterday, adding to the other prominent names that have been in the news.

We?ll see.

Not having Epstein the opportunity to "hang himself" with his own words is crippling to seeing justice served, because now all the other (alleged) sickos who took advantage of these children don't have to say a thing in rebuttal. He was the hub of the wheel.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Not having Epstein the opportunity to "hang himself" with his own words is crippling to seeing justice served, because now all the other (alleged) sickos who took advantage of these children don't have to say a thing in rebuttal. He was the hub of the wheel.

Bill Cosby is in prison based on the testimony of his victims. The only hub of the wheel in his case is him.

If a prominent person engaged in criminal sexual misconduct, that person is the hub of their own wheel regardless of whether Epstein is dead or not.

As far as a rebuttal, everyone named in the news has made rebuttal - they?ve all denied it.

The testimony of alleged victims is and should be what matters.

 

[TheVictors]

Better that he?s dead. Scumbag pedophile won?t be able to spin, contort or lie. It will just be court documents and testimony from those he abused.

Enjoy rotting in Hell ...you'll have plenty of company coming in the next few years.

 

[Michchamp]

Disturbing long read on Epstein, and various other figures (Trump makes a couple appearances) here.

Cites evidence that Epstein's operation was just the latest iteration of a child-sex-for-blackmail ring that has been running in this country for decades, with ties to the federal government and intelligence agencies. one of the prior leaders of it ended up suicided just like Epstein.

Do some of you guys remember these stories when they came out? would've been before my time.

 

[tigermud]

The new flight manifests show Trump joining Epstein, Epstein’s brother Mark, Ghislaine Maxwell, and others on the flight from Palm Beach International Airport to Newark Liberty International Airport on Jan. 5, 1997, supporting Mark Epstein's previous recollection of Trump flying on Epstein’s jet.

Trump and Epstein were neighbors and friends in Palm Beach in the 1990s, though they eventually had a falling out. Trump claimed in July he was “never a fan” of Epstein, but in 2002 described Epstein as a “terrific guy” who “likes beautiful women as much as I do — and many of them are on the younger side.” Trump’s Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, who was the U.S. Attorney for Southern Florida involved in cutting a sweetheart deal for Epstein in 2008, resigned in the wake of Epstein’s recent arrest.

Before today, Epstein’s flight records spanning from 1999 through 2005 had been made public, but the new flight documents range from November 1995 through August 2013.

The unsealed documents also include a November 2016 deposition by Giuffre, where she addressed certain claims made by journalist Sharon Churcher about Giuffre’s interactions with Clinton and Trump.

Giuffre stated “Jeffrey told me that Donald Trump is a good friend of his” but disputed Trump flirted with her or had sex with any girls on the flight. “Oh, I didn't physically see him have sex with any of the girls, so I can't say who he had sex with in his whole life or not,” Giuffre said. “But I just know it wasn't with me when I was with other girls.” She also said she never saw Trump at any of Epstein’s homes.

Giuffre also described flying on jets with Clinton but said she did not see Clinton on Epstein’s personal helicopter firsthand. Ghislaine told her “she flew Bill in the black helicopter that Jeffrey bought her,” she said.

Giuffre also said Clinton’s Secret Service detail was present with Clinton on flights but weren’t physically next to him at all times.

A statement released on July 8 by former President Bill Clinton's press secretary, Angel Ure?a, claimed that “in 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane: One to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa,” but a Washington Examiner review of the flight manifest records shows that Clinton actually went on at least 27 flights on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” during at least six trips, not four.

The July statement from Clinton also claimed the former president only met with Epstein beginning in the early 2000s, but that has also been disproven following revelations that Epstein met Clinton years before when Epstein visited the White House multiple times in the early and mid-1990s and when Clinton attended a three-hour fundraising dinner in 1995 where Epstein was present.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-epstein-flight-logs-show-trump-flew-on-his-plane-in-1997

 

[tigermud]

No video
Of course I’m sure we’re really surprised about that right

 

[Spartanmack]

Disturbing long read on Epstein, and various other figures (Trump makes a couple appearances) here.

Cites evidence that Epstein's operation was just the latest iteration of a child-sex-for-blackmail ring that has been running in this country for decades, with ties to the federal government and intelligence agencies. one of the prior leaders of it ended up suicided just like Epstein.

Do some of you guys remember these stories when they came out? would've been before my time.

Is Whitney Webb one of Richard Steele's psuedonyms and is MPN News a wholly owned subsidiary of Fusion GPS? or is this just some tinfoil hat site that produces conspirqcy theories that fit your narratives? Maybe you should go easy on Tigermud for posting Infowars material.

 

[Monster]

Is Whitney Webb one of Richard Steele's psuedonyms and is MPN News a wholly owned subsidiary of Fusion GPS? or is this just some tinfoil hat site that produces conspirqcy theories that fit your narratives? Maybe you should go easy on Tigermud for posting Infowars material.

Damn. That site is infowars for liberals. There's an article accusing William Barr of knowing the el paso shooting was about to happen.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/willi...ns-fbi-foreknowledge-el-paso-shooting/261221/

 

[Michchamp]

Is Whitney Webb one of Richard Steele's psuedonyms and is MPN News a wholly owned subsidiary of Fusion GPS? or is this just some tinfoil hat site that produces conspirqcy theories that fit your narratives? Maybe you should go easy on Tigermud for posting Infowars material.

You can click her name and read her bio. according to it, she also worked for
he Ron Paul institute so, maybe tinfoil hat stuff sure, but this is not a left-wing hit piece at the Right.

Her sources are all linked in the article though, and Trump's extensive connections to Roy Cohn are thoroughly documented and hardly news. And Craig Spence's suicide & call-boy scandal has been reported on elsewhere. you can just google these things.

She connects dots, that's all. I thought it was an interesting article, and somewhat illuminating. To what extent someone like, say Trump, might have been involved is still not clear, but it's hard to deny that these guys were all swimming in the same dirty pool. and they don't play clean. I would include Bill and Hillary Clinton in that same dirty pool.

 

[Michchamp]

Damn. That site is infowars for liberals. There's an article accusing William Barr of knowing the el paso shooting was about to happen.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/willi...ns-fbi-foreknowledge-el-paso-shooting/261221/

Yeah this one is a little out there. she takes a huge logical leap here:

Notably, Barr concluded his speech by stating that he anticipated ?a major incident may well occur at any time that will galvanize public opinion on these issues.? In other words, just a few days prior to the recent spate of mass shootings, William Barr stated that he anticipated a public safety crisis that ?may well occur at any time? and would reduce public resistance to the further erosion of civil liberties that he was advocating for in his speech.​

as they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. and this ain't it. she notes he gave that speech on July 23rd. But OF COURSE a major incident would happen... this is America... there are mass slaughters of innocent civilians practically every week!

She also makes a point of noting that the FBI was maybe aware of the shooter's manifesto here, but they are of course aware of right wing nutjobs snapping all the time and going after innocent people... they just don't think it's a priority to stop them. it doesn't threaten our government's authority & power, or gun sales, so there's no urgency here.

The El Paso shooting was just "business as usual" in America.

 

[Spartanmack]

You can click her name and read her bio. according to it, she also worked for
he Ron Paul institute so, maybe tinfoil hat stuff sure, but this is not a left-wing hit piece at the Right.

Her sources are all linked in the article though, and Trump's extensive connections to Roy Cohn are thoroughly documented and hardly news. And Craig Spence's suicide & call-boy scandal has been reported on elsewhere. you can just google these things.

She connects dots, that's all. I thought it was an interesting article, and somewhat illuminating. To what extent someone like, say Trump, might have been involved is still not clear, but it's hard to deny that these guys were all swimming in the same dirty pool. and they don't play clean. I would include Bill and Hillary Clinton in that same dirty pool.

It's not a hit piece at the right, it's an attempt to as you say, connect the dots to make the reader believe the country is controlled by a multi-generations old conspiracy fueled by sexual blackmail. It uses affiliations, some rather loose to dupe people into believing there is actual credible evidence that this conspiracy ring exists, and if it exists, certain people involved had social or professional relationships with powerful men, like Trump. So therefore, where there's smoke there's fire - Trump very well could have raped a few underage women.

And not only does it exist, but it's changed hands over time from control by liberal to conservative then back to liberal puppeteers without being exposed - until now (sort of). It uses this "bipartisan" smoke screen to then link Trump and again make people feel there's actual credible evidence despite the ONLY thing we actually know about Trump's involvement with anyone known to pimp out minors to political elites (Epstein) is he flew on his plane once in 1997 with several people one of whom has stated she never had sex with him and didn't have evidence he had sex with anyone else, and he kicked Epstein out of his club for inappropriate contact with an under aged woman.

It's an attempt at a smoke screen to distract and mislead people about a problem that so far, points only to powerful Democrats and some of their donors by linking it to Trump. It's like the Steele authored Trump Dossier, except as far as we can tell, it was free. And you post it here, but still have the nerve to deride other posters for the sources they cite and their far fetched theories. You have no shame.

 

[Michchamp]

It's not a hit piece at the right, it's an attempt to as you say, connect the dots to make the reader believe the country is controlled by a multi-generations old conspiracy fueled by sexual blackmail. It uses affiliations, some rather loose to dupe people into believing there is actual credible evidence that this conspiracy ring exists, and if it exists, certain people involved had social or professional relationships with powerful men, like Trump. So therefore, where there's smoke there's fire - Trump very well could have raped a few underage women.

And not only does it exist, but it's changed hands over time from control by liberal to conservative then back to liberal puppeteers without being exposed - until now (sort of). It uses this "bipartisan" smoke screen to then link Trump and again make people feel there's actual credible evidence despite the ONLY thing we actually know about Trump's involvement with anyone known to pimp out minors to political elites (Epstein) is he flew on his plane once in 1997 with several people one of whom has stated she never had sex with him and didn't have evidence he had sex with anyone else, and he kicked Epstein out of his club for inappropriate contact with an under aged woman.

It's an attempt at a smoke screen to distract and mislead people about a problem that so far, points only to powerful Democrats and some of their donors by linking it to Trump. It's like the Steele authored Trump Dossier, except as far as we can tell, it was free. And you post it here, but still have the nerve to deride other posters for the sources they cite and their far fetched theories. You have no shame.

You're arguing against things nobody said; neither the author or I claim the contry is controlled by sexual blackmail, just that it goes on. And the article notes the intent was to ensnare politicians on both sides of the aisle, and provides names of who was involved, and corroborating evidence of it's claims. You haven't addressed that yet.

This isn't a partisan attack on either party, nor is it saying it was controlled by either party.

 

[Spartanmack]

You're arguing against things nobody said; neither the author or I claim the contry is controlled by sexual blackmail, just that it goes on.

You're nit picking. My post is at best a mild exaggeration...

...Cites evidence that Epstein's operation was just the latest iteration of a child-sex-for-blackmail ring that has been running in this country for decades, with ties to the federal government and intelligence agencies....

This...

And the article notes the intent was to ensnare politicians on both sides of the aisle, and provides names of who was involved, and corroborating evidence of it's claims. You haven't addressed that yet.

This isn't a partisan attack on either party, nor is it saying it was controlled by either party.

...is complete bullshit. You didn't read it, did you? The title of the article is "Epstein, Trump's Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era." It makes no mention of Epstein, a private citizen being a well connected Democrat but names 2 well known Republican politicians. Definitely balanced from the jump. The Epstein scandal is referred to very early in piece by saying these types of scandals "cast a lurid light on the political history of the U.S. from the Prohibition Era right up to the present day and the 'Age of Trump', a fact made increasingly clear as more and more information comes to light in relation to the Jeffrey Epstein case." If you don't think that's an attempt to imply the Epstein scandal is linked to the Trump Administration, you're an idiot, full stop.

And if you read further, the figure talked most about by far is Roy Cohn - it says of Roy Cohn

"Even though he nominally maintained his affiliation with the Democratic Party throughout his life, Cohn was a well-known ?fixer? for Republican candidates..."

and then it goes on to draw a bunch of connections between Cohn and the Reagan administration, but it doesn't get into any specific allegations of sexual misconduct by any of those people - it merely states that Cohn and two others loosely linked to the Reagan administration simultaneously ran sexual blackmail operations that abused and exploited children.

There isn't a single mention of any prominent Dems in any of this, but according to you it's not a partisan attack on either party. It mentions that Cohn (an obvious Democrat) was nominally a Democrat and then spends most of the piece linking him to Republicans, but it said he was nominally a Democrat, so it's not at all slanted. That's the best case you can make for the piece being balanced.

 

[tigermud]

Oh my goodness

https://www.infowars.com/shock-photo-bill-clinton-wears-monica-lewinsky-dress-in-epstein-portrait/