Just a thought on Hoke's situation.

[hailhail]

I'm more than 50% confident that Jim Harbaugh and Shlissel have it in motion for Jim Harbaugh to come to Michigan next season.

Things just seem to be lining up that way.

It's amazing to me that this is even feasible, but it is. He certainly won't be employed by the 9ers in a couple months, unless they go to the Super Bowl or make a deep run (and even then the differences between Harbaugh and management might be insurmountable). I just hope their offense keeps imploding and they don't get that chance.

And can we stop throwing out the names of dickheads and retread dickheads? Les Miles might be a good coach but we don't want him here, he's fine where he's at. And Schiano, besides being a tool, has been marginally successful at best. Please stop using his name like he's a legitimate candidate for the job.

Pat Fitzgerald is interesting, I like him, and I'd like to see what he'd do at a non-Northwestern school. But I don't know if he'd leave there for a job where he'd have to play NU year in and year out. He also might be genuinely happy in his job. I don't know.

 

[lostleader]

Runs the table?

Does anybody seriously think Michigan has better than a chance in a hundred of beating Ohio State?

Yes I do! I hate Ohio State, so my feelings may be off.

However if the team is playing for Hoke's job and/or a bowl I think they can do it. What if DB was 99% of the problem? I think Dave was more of a issue than most believe, I also think he was behind all the dumb shit the team did. (stake on MSU's field) I just don't think the coach was allowed to leave his AD out to dry. Hoke has to much class to be throwing people under the bus. I honestly believe Hoke is a stand up guy, and unless its 1 of about 5 coaches, I hope he stays.

Edit: That is if the team shows improvement post Davy B

 

[lostleader]

And Schiano, besides being a tool, has been marginally successful at best. Please stop using his name like he's a legitimate candidate for the job.

Well said!

What has Schiano done is his career that makes him great or even good? Coached in the NFL? He washed out in the NFL, his Rutgers career was ok but not great. I would hate to think he was going to be UM's coach.

I also think he is a tool, could be a Brian Kelly 2.0 with out the wins.

 

[dubbsco]

I'd take Schiano in a heartbeat over what is currently in Ann Arbor. The dude took a team that was 40-80-1 from 1990-2000 and somehow made them relevant with a microbe of the resources that M has.

He's an upgrade from Brady Hoke.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Well said!

What has Schiano done is his career that makes him great or even good? Coached in the NFL? He washed out in the NFL, his Rutgers career was ok but not great. I would hate to think he was going to be UM's coach.

He almost was. He was offered before RR and said "no". And according to Stewart Mandel, after we reached out to RR, he 2nd guessed himself and asked if it was too late to change his mind.

 

[hailhail]

He almost was. He was offered before RR and said "no". And according to Stewart Mandel, after we reached out to RR, he 2nd guessed himself and asked if it was too late to change his mind.

I had never heard that bit of information! Though I never fully believed we offered him the job in the first place to be honest. Maybe this is my arrogance shining through, but I don't understand why he wouldn't have taken it at that point?

 

[hailhail]

Well said!

What has Schiano done is his career that makes him great or even good? Coached in the NFL? He washed out in the NFL, his Rutgers career was ok but not great. I would hate to think he was going to be UM's coach.

I also think he is a tool, could be a Brian Kelly 2.0 with out the wins.

Yeah, a shitty unsuccessful Kelly seems like a decent comparison.

That's the kind of guy I want running my football program!!! Well, if I'm Dubs maybe.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, who wants Brian Kelly? Guy is 215-73. He's a bum.

Even a shittier version of Kelly is better than the dude running around clapping on the sidelines for the Maize.

I honestly think the win over Indiana is warping people and convincing them that this guy can actually recover and be a good coach.

 

[josh200612]

Yeah, who wants Brian Kelly? Guy is 215-73. He's a bum.

Even a shittier version of Kelly is better than the dude running around clapping on the sidelines for the Maize.

I honestly think the win over Indiana is warping people and convincing them that this guy can actually recover and be a good coach.

Yea people are starting to go crazy lol that's what winning does.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I had never heard that bit of information! Though I never fully believed we offered him the job in the first place to be honest. Maybe this is my arrogance shining through, but I don't understand why he wouldn't have taken it at that point?

Nobody knows if he was offered the job or not. He was interviewed, and then said in public that he didn't want the job.

Michigan haters have always insisted that he turned Michigan down - but the truth is nobody knows.

Okay...Bill Martin knows, Schiano knows, and a few others probably know.

But in the generally accepted meaning of the idiom "nobody knows," nobody knows.

 

[TheVictors]

Fuck Brian Kelly and Fuck Notre Dame.

 

[bamf_16]

It's amazing to me that this is even feasible, but it is. He certainly won't be employed by the 9ers in a couple months, unless they go to the Super Bowl or make a deep run (and even then the differences between Harbaugh and management might be insurmountable). I just hope their offense keeps imploding and they don't get that chance.

And can we stop throwing out the names of dickheads and retread dickheads? Les Miles might be a good coach but we don't want him here, he's fine where he's at. And Schiano, besides being a tool, has been marginally successful at best. Please stop using his name like he's a legitimate candidate for the job.

Pat Fitzgerald is interesting, I like him, and I'd like to see what he'd do at a non-Northwestern school. But I don't know if he'd leave there for a job where he'd have to play NU year in and year out. He also might be genuinely happy in his job. I don't know.

Edit: Being a dick again. Hailhail didn't type something egregious enough to be ripped apart that badly. My apologies.

Point is, Greg Schiano is a legitimate candidate, IMO and I'd be happy if UM hired him.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If you're telling me you'd rather have Brady Hoke coaching UM in 2015 than Les Miles, I'll run through my rolodex of profane insults and likely struggle with which one to choose.

I'll say that. And I think I've said it enough everyone knows why at this point.

Let me know if you haven't heard. If you have, let me know what part of it you disagree with.

Unless you just don't give a crap about anything other than winning. If that's the case, we'll never find common ground.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I had never heard that bit of information! Though I never fully believed we offered him the job in the first place to be honest. Maybe this is my arrogance shining through, but I don't understand why he wouldn't have taken it at that point?

At the time, people thought he was waiting for the Penn St. job.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Nobody knows if he was offered the job or not. He was interviewed, and then said in public that he didn't want the job.

Michigan haters have always insisted that he turned Michigan down - but the truth is nobody knows.

Okay...Bill Martin knows, Schiano knows, and a few others probably know.

But in the generally accepted meaning of the idiom "nobody knows," nobody knows.

True. We don't know. And you have to use the internet wayback machine to find where Mandel said:

"And a well-informed source told me after the fact that Schiano got serious cold feet after turning down the Wolverines and tried unsuccessfully at the 11th hour to get himself back in the running."

http://web.archive.org/web/20130127...ers/stewart_mandel/06/17/madel.mailbag/1.html

Old, third-hand information.

 

[bamf_16]

I'll say that. And I think I've said it enough everyone knows why at this point.

Let me know if you haven't heard. If you have, let me know what part of it you disagree with.

Unless you just don't give a crap about anything other than winning. If that's the case, we'll never find common ground.

Can't remember who typed what, when. If you'll humor me again, what's your beef with Miles?

 

[dubbsco]

As much as Brian Kelly is hated by all on this board, the guy wins. You aren't going to find a ton of coaches that are successful and good guys at the same time. It's not something that typically goes hand in hand.

Greg Schiano would be an upgrade over Brady Hoke, as would a majority of mid-level guys. Hoke has failed while doing a tremendous job of bringing in top-tier talent. That goes to show you how poor his talent development has been. Not to mention the fact that he has no clue what is going on in the field of play, and has coordinators run the game for him.

Say what you want about Miles, but he would bring a championship to this team, something that hasn't happened in forever. He's won in the toughest conference. If the criteria for the next coach is a good guy who will win, good luck finding him.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Can't remember who typed what, when. If you'll humor me again, what's your beef with Miles?

It's the Elliot Porter thing; where he didn't tell a recruit that he was letting him go because he oversigned until he had moved into the dorms for a couple weeks in the fall. You can argue that you had to oversign in the SEC back then, but Miles wasn't a reluctant oversigner. He was a poster child with the worst and stupidest case anyone's heard of. He just doesn't give a crap about his players. There's no excuse for waiting that long.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If the criteria for the next coach is a good guy who will win, good luck finding him.

What's the alternative you suggest? A bad guy that will win?

 

[zyxt9]

Everyone has negatives, but my perception of John H is a good guy who wins.