Justin Upton kicking ass in Atlanta

[byco42]

Bump.

J. Upton = .232 BAVG .726 OPS 2 HR for month of May (100 PA) (1-6 last 2 games of April)

B.J. = .156 BAVG .501 OPS 1 HR for month of May (73 PA) (0-5 last 2 games of April)

What's the problem?

Combined they have a .388 BA and 1.271 OPS.

 

[durtymrclean]

It was gonna happen eventually.

 

[nsonnett14]

LOL funny thread , the same ding dongs who say everyone we pick up sucks were trashing Justin Upton ...hmm go figure !!! But hey they were half right cause BJ blows

 

[Rebbiv]

LOL funny thread , the same ding dongs who say everyone we pick up sucks were trashing Justin Upton ...hmm go figure !!! But hey they were half right cause BJ blows

Citing someone is overrated is not the same as stating that they suck.

Justin Upton hasn't played one game for the Tigers. Until he does, there is no proof one way or the other. What we can do is look at his statistical performance in the recent past. The arguably the best way is to use 3 years worth of Away data for offense and his last 3 years data for defense.

Top 18 MLB LFers


Average LF last 3 years Away

74.7 RC/650 .252 BAVG .316 OBP .399 SLG .715 OPS


Median LF last 3 years Away

78.0 RC/650 .251 BAVG .322 OBP .410 SLG .736 OPS


RC/650 + UZR/150

1. B. Harper 116.1
**2. A. Gordon 108.5
3. S. Marte 105.0
**4. Y. Cespedes 103.6
5. C. Coghlan 96.0
**6. S. Pearce 93.7
7. C. Yelich 92.1
8. J. Hamilton 88.1
9. S. Smith 86.0
10. D. Peralta 83.7

11. M. Brantley 83.3
**12. J. Upton 82.9
13. S. Fuld 79.4
14. C. Crawford 78.6
15. M. Holliday 78.1
16. B. Gardner 78.0

**17. A. DeAza 77.7
**18. C. Young 76.3


Is Justin Upton an above average LFer? Yes, of course, but so is Seth Smith and Steve Pearce. Is Justin Upton worth $22 Mil over the next 2 seasons for that kind of production is the debate.

I find it sad that too many Tiger fans overlook all of this and rely on their "gut instinct" and poke fun of those that formulate a well reasoned argument. Sad, sad, sad. Must be an indictment against the education system.

 

[dale675]

Citing someone is overrated is not the same as stating that they suck.

Justin Upton hasn't played one game for the Tigers. Until he does, there is no proof one way or the other. What we can do is look at his statistical performance in the recent past. The arguably the best way is to use 3 years worth of Away data for offense and his last 3 years data for defense.

Top 18 MLB LFers


Average LF last 3 years Away

74.7 RC/650 .252 BAVG .316 OBP .399 SLG .715 OPS


Median LF last 3 years Away

78.0 RC/650 .251 BAVG .322 OBP .410 SLG .736 OPS


RC/650 + UZR/150

1. B. Harper 116.1
**2. A. Gordon 108.5
3. S. Marte 105.0
**4. Y. Cespedes 103.6
5. C. Coghlan 96.0
**6. S. Pearce 93.7
7. C. Yelich 92.1
8. J. Hamilton 88.1
9. S. Smith 86.0
10. D. Peralta 83.7

11. M. Brantley 83.3
**12. J. Upton 82.9
13. S. Fuld 79.4
14. C. Crawford 78.6
15. M. Holliday 78.1
16. B. Gardner 78.0

**17. A. DeAza 77.7
**18. C. Young 76.3


Is Justin Upton an above average LFer? Yes, of course, but so is Seth Smith and Steve Pearce. Is Justin Upton worth $22 Mil over the next 2 seasons for that kind of production is the debate.

I find it sad that too many Tiger fans overlook all of this and rely on their "gut instinct" and poke fun of those that formulate a well reasoned argument. Sad, sad, sad. Must be an indictment against the education system.

I find it humorous that you even bother replying to this guy. Keep in mind he is the same guy who started a thread stating the Lions should look into getting Manziel as a backup QB and going on to defend his off field issues. He also started a thread about Miggy awhile back saying the way he has fun, talks to guys on base, jokes around etc, calling him a cocky dbag. How can anyone take him seriously? :ugh:

 

[nsonnett14]

Last 3 years Away:

B. Zobrist (31) .289 BAVG .371 OBP .481 SLG .852 OPS Averaging 10 HR 10 SB 3 CS 6.6 UZR/150

N. Swisher (32) .267 BAVG .363 OBP .478 SLG .841 OPS Averaging 13 HR 1 SB 2 CS 1.9
UZR/150

T. Hunter (37) .288 BAVG .356 OBP .459 SLG .815 OPS Averaging 11 HR 5 SB 4 CS 1.0 UZR/150


B.J. Upton (28) .245 BAVG .316 OBP .439 SLG .755 OPS Averaging 12 HR 16 SB 4 CS 0.1 UZR/150

J. Upton (25) .253 BAVG .331 OBP .408 SLG .739 OPS Averaging 9 HR 12 SB 4 CS 1.1 UZR/150


Despite Justin Upton's early season success, the Upton brothers are over-rated and over-hyped. Justin Upton could hit 20 HR in April and it doesn't change the last 3 year's worth of data, where he was below average. Both Upton's are below average.

Looks like you said Upton was below average ....now all a sudden hes def an above average player . And dont start with your Seth Smith garbage lol .

Just a thread i found funny is all , read it through and you can see its the same cast of characters ....no need to get all defensive , it is what it is .

 

[jdeb]

Hopefully, with him hitting in the 2 hole, he will see some good pitch's to hit. I am more worried about his teammate presence. He didn't have the greatest reputation in Arizona as him and Gibson went at occasionally for attitude and hustle issues. If he can't hit 30 dingers and drive in a 100, this is not a good move. He has a lot of potential, now the pressure is off so let's see what he can do.

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[Rebbiv]

Looks like you said Upton was below average ....now all a sudden hes def an above average player . And dont start with your Seth Smith garbage lol .

Just a thread i found funny is all , read it through and you can see its the same cast of characters ....no need to get all defensive , it is what it is .

Your comprehension level isn't real good, is it?

The first post covered 2010-2012, where Justin Upton was below average. The recent data I posted was for 2013-2015, which he is barely above average. Not at all contradictory, because it is two separate periods.

It is funny how you keep swinging and missing.

 

[jdeb]

Your comprehension level isn't real good, is it?

The first post covered 2010-2012, where Justin Upton was below average. The recent data I posted was for 2013-2015, which he is barely above average. Not at all contradictory, because it is two separate periods.

It is funny how you keep swinging and missing.

Hey Rebbiv, are there any stats for clutch hitting? I heard on MLB radio that he was a clutch hitter.

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[Rebbiv]

Hey Rebbiv, are there any stats for clutch hitting? I heard on MLB radio that he was a clutch hitter.

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Look at the Thread I posted in the Tiger Forum concerning RBIs.

Fangraphs does have a stat called "clutch". Clutch measures how well a player performs in high leverage situations. It's calculated as = (WPA / pLI) - WPA/LI

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=12,d

There are 297 players with at least 750 Plate Appearances over the last 3 years. Here is the rankings:

3. A. Avila 3.06
24. C. Granderson 1.73
25. O. Infante 1.72
39. I. Kinsler 1.49
48. Av. Garcia 1.25
49. Y. Cespedes 1.25
54. M. Cabrera 1.15

90. A. Jackson 0.45
116. V. Martinez 0.11
135. M. Joyce -0.13
146. N. Castellanos -0.30


159. A. Gose -0.48
195. P. Fielder -0.92
200. C. Maybin -1.05
222. M. Aviles -1.42

229. J. Peralta -1.53
234. B. Pena -1.56
242. M. Upton -1.65
254. J. Iglesias -1.86
256. T. Hunter -1.90
267. J.D. Martinez -2.23
280. R. Davis -2.43
287. Del. Young -2.65
288. J. Saltalamacchia -2.65
296. J. Upton -3.16

**J. McCann -1.38 career

The only player worse than Justin Upton is Asdrubal Cabrera. Apologists will probably find a problem with this stat. And I am ambivalent towards this stat.

If you balance this data with the data I provided in the RBI thread, I don't know how anyone would consider Upton clutch. Given opportunities, he doesn't drive in runs at exceptional rate, nor does he excel in high leverage situations.

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[Mitchrapp]

Alice, baby. 3.06.

 

[nsonnett14]

Your comprehension level isn't real good, is it?

The first post covered 2010-2012, where Justin Upton was below average. The recent data I posted was for 2013-2015, which he is barely above average. Not at all contradictory, because it is two separate periods.

It is funny how you keep swinging and missing.

The difference is people that know the game and the players realized he was good and would continue to be good . Just shows yet again how when you ONLY judge players based on useless stats , more time than not you are wrong .

 

[sggatecl]

Alice, baby. 3.06.

As an Avila apologist, this makes me so hard.

 

[nsonnett14]

Alex Avila LOL ...... I bet you all wish we still had Inge too , right ? Avila was one of the biggest scrubs to ever put on a Tiger uniform . Even his dad couldnt wait to get rid of his worthless ass .

 

[Mitchrapp]

As an Avila apologist, this makes me so hard.

 

[sggatecl]

Alex Avila LOL ...... I bet you all wish we still had Inge too , right ? Avila was one of the biggest scrubs to ever put on a Tiger uniform . Even his dad couldnt wait to get rid of his worthless ass .

What the fuck is wrong with you? Nobody said they wanted Inge OR Avila. You are insufferable.

 

[nsonnett14]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Nobody said they wanted Inge OR Avila. You are insufferable.

I think you're wrong , theres many here who wish we still had Avila . I mean he can draw a walk and he frames pitches so well . hahaha

 

[sggatecl]

I think you're wrong , theres many here who wish we still had Avila . I mean he can draw a walk and he frames pitches so well . hahaha

I guess it's true what they say. "Chicks dig the long ball."

 

[jdeb]

Look at the Thread I posted in the Tiger Forum concerning RBIs.

Fangraphs does have a stat called "clutch". Clutch measures how well a player performs in high leverage situations. It's calculated as = (WPA / pLI) - WPA/LI

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=12,d

There are 297 players with at least 750 Plate Appearances over the last 3 years. Here is the rankings:

3. A. Avila 3.06
24. C. Granderson 1.73
25. O. Infante 1.72
39. I. Kinsler 1.49
48. Av. Garcia 1.25
49. Y. Cespedes 1.25
54. M. Cabrera 1.15

90. A. Jackson 0.45
116. V. Martinez 0.11
135. M. Joyce -0.13
146. N. Castellanos -0.30


159. A. Gose -0.48
195. P. Fielder -0.92
200. C. Maybin -1.05
222. M. Aviles -1.42

229. J. Peralta -1.53
234. B. Pena -1.56
242. M. Upton -1.65
254. J. Iglesias -1.86
256. T. Hunter -1.90
267. J.D. Martinez -2.23
280. R. Davis -2.43
287. Del. Young -2.65
288. J. Saltalamacchia -2.65
296. J. Upton -3.16

**J. McCann -1.38 career

The only player worse than Justin Upton is Asdrubal Cabrera. Apologists will probably find a problem with this stat. And I am ambivalent towards this stat.

If you balance this data with the data I provided in the RBI thread, I don't know how anyone would consider Upton clutch. Given opportunities, he doesn't drive in runs at exceptional rate, nor does he excel in high leverage situations.

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Thanks for posting that. I was curious because I heard it said a few times.

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[xer0]

Alex Avila LOL ...... I bet you all wish we still had Inge too , right ? Avila was one of the biggest scrubs to ever put on a Tiger uniform . Even his dad couldnt wait to get rid of his worthless ass .

Yes, Avila was/is a fucking bum outside 1 fluke year. Saber dorks like him because he draws walks which is a very overrated stat, if he didn't draw the occassional useless walk he'd be out of the league by now. He's not impressive defensively either and the success of our pitching staff he had almost nothing to do with. Good riddance.