JV gets start -- All Star game

[Mitchrapp]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar12/st...rs-justin-verlander-start-al-team-report-says

 

[hellifino]

wonder which Verlander we will see, the pitcher or the thrower.

 

[byco42]

wonder which Verlander we will see, the pitcher or the thrower.

I bet he never gets his four seamer over 95.

 

[tomdalton22]

wonder which Verlander we will see, the pitcher or the thrower.

I just hope we only see him for a few innings.

 

[byco42]

Matt Cain is the NL starter.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I just hope we only see him for a few innings.

2 at the most. And that's if he doesn't throw too many. Personally I hope he has a quick 10 pitch inning and calls it a day.

 

[biggunsbob]

Very Nice!!!!

 

[kalinecountry]

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/...09&content_id=34765950&vkey=news_det&c_id=det
Justin Verlander gets honor of starting All-Star Game.
Tigers ace has had great deal of success pitching at Kansas City's Kauffman Stadium.
from the Tigers official site

 

[manchild98]

2 at the most. And that's if he doesn't throw too many. Personally I hope he has a quick 10 pitch inning and calls it a day.

If he doesn't have any trouble in the first, he'll probably see 2 innings. Washington knows he's rested and he isn't scheduled to pitch soon either. Honestly though there is no reason for any pitcher to pitch more than 1 inning in an all star game...even starters.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He is the first All-Star starter who has won Rookie of the Year, Cy Young and MVP.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22976147&topic_id=34326704
Webvideo Verlander on starting for the AL.
Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander talks about his eagerness to start for the American League and face off against the Giants' Matt Cain.
from mlb.com

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess there is the slightest bit of controversy because JV may not be having quite as good a season so far as a few other guys maybe - only 3 or 4 at the most - but that's OK, it's close enough and no single other starter is such a clear standout this season that last year doesn't get to count for something.

Which, considering all those other variables, it absolutely should.

 

[tomdalton22]

I guess there is the slightest bit of controversy because JV may not be having quite as good a season so far as a few other guys maybe - only 3 or 4 at the most - but that's OK, it's close enough and no single other starter is such a clear standout this season that last year doesn't get to count for something.

Which, considering all those other variables, it absolutely should.

AS players almost always include what the players did the year before. The voting starts towards the beginning of the year and the starters are pretty set about a month before the game. Based on the last 1/2 of of 2011 and this year there isn't another starter that deserves the start over JV.

 

[byco42]

AS players almost always include what the players did the year before. The voting starts towards the beginning of the year and the starters are pretty set about a month before the game. Based on the last 1/2 of of 2011 and this year there isn't another starter that deserves the start over JV.

That would apply to Verlander were he voted in by the fans. He was selected by the manager.

 

[tomdalton22]

That would apply to Verlander were he voted in by the fans. He was selected by the manager.

I think managers have the same mentality.....you don't see too many "first 1/2 wonders" starting the AS game. Look at the NL starter....they are starting Cain which reflects this year and last year. If they were looking at this year only they would probably start the "1/2 year wonder" Dickey.

 

[byco42]

I think managers have the same mentality.....you don't see too many "first 1/2 wonders" starting the AS game. Look at the NL starter....they are starting Cain which reflects this year and last year. If they were looking at this year only they would probably start the "1/2 year wonder" Dickey.

Dickey is not starting because LaRussa does not want Posey to deal with catching his knuckleball. LaRussa's official explanation is the "edge" that the Cain-Posey battery gives the NL. Nothing about what Cain did last season, which was impressive, but nothing like Kershaw's, or Halliday's season.

So I think that your take regarding managers taking the previous year into account is unsubstantiated. Just go back and look at who started the ASG. There are a lot of surprises there; pitchers who did not necessarily distinguish themselves the year before. Or after.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Soooo....seems like maybe in Verlander's case, last season's performance by Verlander may have had some influence (Washington didn't go with his own guy who is arguably off to a little better start) and in the case of Larussa, maybe not so much...

So maybe sometimes it does, and maybe, also, other times it doesn't.

 

[byco42]

Soooo....seems like maybe in Verlander's case, last season's performance by Verlander may have had some influence (Washington didn't go with his own guy who is arguably off to a little better start) and in the case of Larussa, maybe not so much...

So maybe sometimes it does, and maybe, also, other times it doesn't.

I think that the debate is between Weaver and Verlander. With Price as the third candidate who gets marginalized.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think that the debate is between Weaver and Verlander. With Price as the third candidate who gets marginalized.

Verlander probably would have been voted for by the fans, if the fans voted on the starting pitchers.

Verlander is all over TV promos, and all manner of what not.

One of the ESPN analysts said that Verlander's selection had as much to do with bigness, and packaging and sizzle and drama and fan interest as anything else.

Probably a factor; right now, JV is money, in many more ways than one.

 

[byco42]

I'll will not be happy if JV gets anywhere near triple digits with his four-seamer. And were I Washington, I'd go pitch count over innings, with a max of three innings and 36 or so pitches, and who cares about the pitchers he bumps in that case.