Ken Whisenhunt will be our coach

[mhughes0021]

You don't think he would want a 3-4? I know he is an offensive guy but since Pit in 2001 (
+Ari, SD) its been a 3-4 on the other side of the ball.

i think hed be smart enough to realize our entire front 7 personnel is fit for the 4-3. If we are a 3-4 defense next year it just strengthens the fact that mayhew should be fired. If whiz becomes our coach his main focus should be winning with the team he has....Not running the 3-4 just because a team he was coaching 10 years ago did.

 

[Mitchrapp]

i think hed be smart enough to realize our entire front 7 personnel is fit for the 4-3. If we are a 3-4 defense next year it just strengthens the fact that mayhew should be fired. If whiz becomes our coach his main focus should be winning with the team he has....Not running the 3-4 just because a team he was coaching 10 years ago did.

We have the personnel to at least run a hybrid.

 

[LKP]

I think Suh and Fairley would hate two gapping. Their best strength is penetration. Hell Suh might decide to walk after 2014 if they switched to a 3-4.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think Suh and Fairley would hate two gapping. Their best strength is penetration. Hell Suh might decide to walk after 2014 if they switched to a 3-4.

We can be so lucky.

 

[LKP]

We can be so lucky.

Wow are you blind.
Suh was a monster this year and an extension can give us 4-6 million in more room. We want an extension.

Suh restructure make his cap number in the mid teens still. But those two restructures bought the Lions time and money for Quin,Bush and Levy. Think of it that way. The first one bought us Avril for one year or Backus/Hill/Tulloch in 2012, depending how you want to think of it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Wow are you blind.
Suh was a monster this year and an extension can give us 4-6 million in more room. We want an extension.

Suh restructure make his cap number in the mid teens still. But those two restructures bought the Lions time and money for Quin,Bush and Levy. Think of it that way. The first one bought us Avril for one year or Backus/Hill/Tulloch in 2012, depending how you want to think of it.

Again you're making assumptions. I did not once mention Suhs talent. But he makes a ton of money. Let's build a team rather than a few stars and a bunch of crap.

 

[LKP]

Again you're making assumptions. I did not once mention Suhs talent. But he makes a ton of money. Let's build a team rather than a few stars and a bunch of crap.

We have built a team with Suh making a bunch of money already. Suh even restructured so we can get Quin, Bush and Levy this past offseason.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/geno-atkins/

You see the last 3-4 years of Atkins deal. Suh can be around those numbers after 2014 and 2015 (when the two previous restructures come off the books). He'll be mid teens in 2014 and 2015 with an extension, low base and those 2 restructures hitting the books.

A 15 million signing bonus should do the trick like Atkins got, since Suh is only due 12.5 million in cash from the Lions in 2014. Suh will get 15 million singing bonus in cash plus maybe another 1 million in base salary.

 

[LKP]

Again you're making assumptions. I did not once mention Suhs talent. But he makes a ton of money. Let's build a team rather than a few stars and a bunch of crap.

And I'm not making an assumption right now. You are misinformed of the Lions options with the salary cap or just flat out don't understand how contracts can be structured.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And I'm not making an assumption right now. You are misinformed of the Lions options with the salary cap or just flat out don't understand how contracts can be structured.

I know how restructured works. It's just a way to have less options and if someone wanted to trade him at a later date the cap hit would be huge. Maybe not as big as Matt's but none the less..

You've always mentioned the old cba as a why we are screwed. Restructuring just makes it worse.

 

[LKP]

I know how restructured works. It's just a way to have less options and if someone wanted to trade him at a later date the cap hit would be huge. Maybe not as big as Matt's but none the less..

You've always mentioned the old cba as a why we are screwed. Restructuring just makes it worse.

Restructuring allowed us to get much needed talent. Tullcoh, Quin, Bush and Levy are not on this team without Stafford and Suh's restructures. They've restructured and made mistakes with the money they got (Avril franchise with the money). Though Avril coming off a big 2011, basically had to be done since they couldn't agree to a deal.

The Lions are making it work with the restructures. They would be in cap heaven right now without them but also wouldn't have Tulloch, Quin, Levy and Bush. The Lions need all four of those players. There might be more restructures this year. Calvin again, Tulloch, Houston, Quin and Bush are prime candidates for that. But a Suh extension (4-6 millin room), Burleson pay cut or cut(4-5 million in room), and something with Delmas needs to be explored first. Delmas is the toughest one because the way to save 4 million is give him a long term deal. But with his knees, that's pretty risky. Or you just cut Delmas, get 6 million more in room (2 million in dead money) and try for a rookie safety or use that 6 million to find a free agent safety.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Restructuring allowed us to get much needed talent. Tullcoh, Quin, Bush and Levy are not on this team without Stafford and Suh's restructures. They've restructured and made mistakes with the money they got (Avril franchise with the money). Though Avril coming off a big 2011, basically had to be done since they couldn't agree to a deal.

The Lions are making it work with the restructures. They would be in cap heaven right now without them but also wouldn't have Tulloch, Quin, Levy and Bush. The Lions need all four of those players. There might be more restructures this year. Calvin again, Tulloch, Houston, Quin and Bush are prime candidates for that. But a Suh extension (4-6 millin room), Burleson pay cut or cut(4-5 million in room), and something with Delmas needs to be explored first. Delmas is the toughest one because the way to save 4 million is give him a long term deal. But with his knees, that's pretty risky. Or you just cut Delmas, get 6 million more in room (2 million in dead money) and try for a rookie safety or use that 6 million to find a free agent safety.

And screw us for the future. Eventually that catches up..either with cap hell or dead money. Having those players on 7 win team, yeah

 

[LKP]

And screw us for the future. Eventually that catches up..either with cap hell or dead money. Having those players on 7 win team, yeah

I've heard that for three years now. There are always options and Stafford's long term deal and Calvins new deal were great deals for the future. And guess what, they can be restructured in the future if we need it.

The options this year are a Suh extension, either cut Delmas/Delmas extnesion and pay cut for Burleson or cut Burleson. That gives us some cap room. Plus other people can be restructured. It's all about manipulatoin. One players is really high, you get other players low with base salary through extensions. Calvin and Stafford have yet to play a snap on acap number over 20 million. Suh might not this season even though its 21 million right now. Extension changes that number to 15-17 milllion.

Now with Delmas, I'm leaning towards cut becuase of his knees. Save 6 million and sign one of these guys long term

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

 

[Mitchrapp]

I've heard that for three years now. There are always options and Stafford's long term deal and Calvins new deal were great deals for the future. And guess what, they can be restructured in the future if we need it.

The options this year are a Suh extension, either cut Delmas/Delmas extnesion and pay cut for Burleson or cut Burleson. That gives us some cap room. Plus other people can be restructured. It's all about manipulatoin. One players is really high, you get other players low with base salary through extensions. Calvin and Stafford have yet to play a snap on acap number over 20 million. Suh might not this season even though its 21 million right now. Extension changes that number to 15-17 milllion.

Now with Delmas, I'm leaning towards cut becuase of his knees. Save 6 million and sign one of these guys long term

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

That's because you've been saying it for three years.

 

[LKP]

That's because you've been saying it for three years.

Always options.

Calvin can be restructured take base to 1 million and add 800K every to his cap number over the next 5 years. 4 million dollars in room.

Tulloch you can do the same and get 2 million in room. 833K added to the remaining 3 years.

Bush 1.67 million each doing the same thing. 833 K added to the remaing 2 years.

Houston and Quin, 1.875 million in room. 625K added each remaining 3 yeears.

I bet they do one or a combo of those restructures this year. That's 4-11 million in more room if you need it.

Suh extension(about 5 million in more room), Delmas(6 million with 1.8 dead) and Burleson (5.5 million room) full cut gets us about 2.5 million in room left after counting 5 million for the draft picks and 5 million for the 10 reserve contracts they just signed. 53 players.

 

[cheeno]

Always options.

Calvin can be restructured take base to 1 million and add 800K every to his cap number over the next 5 years. 4 million dollars in room.

Tulloch you can do the same and get 2 million in room. 833K added to the remaining 3 years.

Bush 1.67 million each doing the same thing. 833 K added to the remaing 2 years.

Houston and Quin, 1.875 million in room. 625K added each remaining 3 yeears.

I bet they do one or a combo of those restructures this year. That's 4-11 million in more room if you need it.

Suh extension(about 5 million in more room), Delmas(6 million with 1.8 dead) and Burleson (5.5 million room) full cut gets us about 2.5 million in room left after counting 5 million for the draft picks and 5 million for the 10 reserve contracts they just signed. 53 players.

I hope they extend Suh but why would he want that? Doesn't he have them by the balls?

 

[LKP]

I hope they extend Suh but why would he want that? Doesn't he have them by the balls?

Not really cash wise. Suh is only due 12.5 million more in cash. Everything else was already paid in cash to Suh. 15 million signing bonus(like Atkins got) takes care of that. So that is 3 million in each of the next 5 years. Plus maybe a 1 million base.

16 million in cash right now(plus big salaries later in the contract) or 12.5 million over the course of the 2014 season. You could go up to a 20 million signing bonus on Suh if he's being greedy. The DT market still plays a big role.

The cap number will still be mid teens because of the previous restructures with 9.7 million counting agianst the cap. But that number represents money already in Suh's pocket from 2012 and 2013.

 

[LKP]

If Suh wants to hit free agency, he will. But if he wants to stay the Lions can give him a good deal that also provides short term cap relief (4-8 million). This coaching change throws a wrench into that because he liked Schwartz.


If he doesn't want to stay with the Lions, then we'll have to restructure Calvin, Bush, Quin, Tulloch and Houston just to get by while also cutting Delmas and Burleson(or pay cut for Burleson for 4.5 million savings). Or trade Suh for 3 million in cap relief but still 19.4 million in dead money(one year).


You can trade him, but you lose a big playmaker for risky draft picks and the other team gets a steal (Suh at a 12.5 million number and can easily sign him long term).

 

[mhughes0021]

I hope they extend Suh but why would he want that? Doesn't he have them by the balls?

Suh could also be the kind of guy that's wants the title of highest paid DT in the NFL. In order to do that he'll need to restructure after the atkins and Ngata deals.

 

[cheeno]

If Suh wants to hit free agency, he will. But if he wants to stay the Lions can give him a good deal that also provides short term cap relief (4-8 million). This coaching change throws a wrench into that because he liked Schwartz.


If he doesn't want to stay with the Lions, then we'll have to restructure Calvin, Bush, Quin, Tulloch and Houston just to get by while also cutting Delmas and Burleson(or pay cut for Burleson for 4.5 million savings). Or trade Suh for 3 million in cap relief but still 19.4 million in dead money(one year).


You can trade him, but you lose a big playmaker for risky draft picks and the other team gets a steal (Suh at a 12.5 million number and can easily sign him long term).

I don't want to trade him. I want to keep him. But from a business standpoint, what sign an extension now? Injury would be the only thing. Hitting the FA market will be huge for Suh.

 

[LKP]

Actually I gave the Atkins deal earlier as an example. I would love it if Suh got an Atkins deal. 15 million signing bonus like I said and low base salary early(4 million, maybe less).


We'd get cap relief of about 6 million if he got an Atkins deal. You want him to be greedy. 20 million signing bonus. Still 5 million in cap relief. Let's go crazy. 25 million signing bonus (10 million more than Atkins). 4 million in cap relief.