Leshoure on his way out?

[mhughes0021]

And that is why I don't like some of the negative people. They throw out gut feeling generalizations instead of taking the time to think about a players role or in the case of draft picks, what the situation was at the time for the Lions. Does it suck we don't have more production yes, but that doesn't mean Mayhew was a full blown idiot. At the time it could have been the right call and Mayhew has done enough to counter the bad picks with plenty of good picks and good free agent signing/trades/UDFAs.

awww you dont like me? /sadface

 

[biggunsbob]

What has LeShoure done except get hurt. Just a few good games does not cut it...I thought he was a great pick at the time but it just did not work out... Move him and see if we can get a decent receiver or player...Guys that are in the doghouse, hurt, or third on the depth chart are a dime a dozen in the NFL...

 

[Mitchrapp]

If I still had my 5.2 speed I might give it a go..

 

[grandy]

What has LeShoure done except get hurt.

Get arrested twice for marijuana possession and then suspended.

 

[fedexgooch78]

awww you dont like me? /sadface

I didn't call you names. And I've never minded you. It comes down to injuries happen, happen more in Detroit it seems. I think injuries have sucked up the majority of the 2nd rd picks over the last 4-5 years...but I'm also not disagreeing that we've not gotten our money's worth out of what we've got. I'm just saying...2-1 team, not playing terribly. I don't care where a guy is playing if we're getting production. Come the offseason, I'll bitch like mad. Right now, I only care about wins and losses.

 

[fedexgooch78]

First off, it's a message board. People come here a lot of times to vent about the team(s) when they have issues with them. Get the fuck over it. I don't know what you'd do in a Tigers game thread, you'd probably have a heart attack.

Second, I'm not bitching because LeShoure isn't playing. I'm bitching because the VAST MAJORITY of 2nd round picks in the last decade have been SHIT. Am I glad that this years draft seems a little more fruitful this far?? Sure. But I'm not going to forget about the past decade and start sucking forum cock either.

I'm a realist. You see a 2-1 team that's looking 'pretty well'. I see a 2-1 team that completely blew a game in Arizona and made Washington (a team with one of the worst defenses in the NFL) look competitive. I'm going to wait until the Chicago game to blow my load on my keyboard. It's my opinion and this is a message board. Again, get the fuck over it.

In the offseason...I bitch like mad about the lack of production. You may not remember me...or were around here when I was doing as such. I kinda forgot about this place for awhile. Anyways...all I'm saying is...in season, I don't care if it's 7th rounders or 2nd rounders...I only care about wins. Appreciate the juvenile response though...I will get the fuck over it.

 

[inkfreq]

Two different arguments happening here really...

Argument #1: We have a terrible recent history with 2nd round draft picks, and some posters would like to see those guys playing at a higher level, or playing at all.

Argument #2: It doesn't matter what round they were drafted in, the best player's should play.

Both actually valid arguments.

We do have a terrible history with 2nd round picks over the last decade or so. There's just no way to argue that guys. Not everyone has been a bust, but our most successful 2nd round pick is a safety with bad knees who can't seem to stay on the field.

I agree that I would love to see some 2nd round picks produce more than ours have.

By the same token, I also don't care what round a guy was drafted in. The best players play. I sure would bench a guy like Arian Foster (undrafted) just because Ben Tate was picked in the 2nd round.

Sometimes those last round picks surprise the hell out of you, defy expectations, and become major players. Sometimes those early picks that should develop into quality starters don't, they bust.

But certainly the last decade has been bleak for the Lions after the first round, with an exception here or there, like a Sammie Lee Hill. But our draft team clearly needs to do a better job identifying good talent instead of those "could have gone in the first round if not for...." guys.

 

[mhughes0021]

Two different arguments happening here really...

Argument #1: We have a terrible recent history with 2nd round draft picks, and some posters would like to see those guys playing at a higher level, or playing at all.

Argument #2: It doesn't matter what round they were drafted in, the best player's should play.

Both actually valid arguments.

We do have a terrible history with 2nd round picks over the last decade or so. There's just no way to argue that guys. Not everyone has been a bust, but our most successful 2nd round pick is a safety with bad knees who can't seem to stay on the field.

I agree that I would love to see some 2nd round picks produce more than ours have.

By the same token, I also don't care what round a guy was drafted in. The best players play. I sure would bench a guy like Arian Foster (undrafted) just because Ben Tate was picked in the 2nd round.

Sometimes those last round picks surprise the hell out of you, defy expectations, and become major players. Sometimes those early picks that should develop into quality starters don't, they bust.

But certainly the last decade has been bleak for the Lions after the first round, with an exception here or there, like a Sammie Lee Hill. But our draft team clearly needs to do a better job identifying good talent instead of those "could have gone in the first round if not for...." guys.

i cant really think of anyone this would refer to other than leshoure though. Bell obviously offers more so leshoure sits the bench....understood. Slay is a rookie so you give him the benefit of the doubt as a rookie cb....which seems to be just about the hardest position to adjust to at the nfl level. The difference with the slay pick is it was a position of need....so there is value there. I can argue the opposite for the leshoure and broyles picks at the time. Leshoure cause he was never a fit for a passing offense and broyles was at best a 4th string type guy with a team that had numerous holes. Soooo...if you were to get the MOST out of Leshoures potential....lets pretend he never got injured and actually ran longer than 15 yards a couple times. At the MOST hed still be a 10 carry back in this offense. Is that what you want the best case scenerio to be from a 2nd round pick?....it was a dumb fucking pick and a waste of 2nd round value. Its really not his fault i rag on him so much....mayhew is an idiot.

 

[schles192]

i cant really think of anyone this would refer to other than leshoure though. Bell obviously offers more so leshoure sits the bench....understood. Slay is a rookie so you give him the benefit of the doubt as a rookie cb....which seems to be just about the hardest position to adjust to at the nfl level. The difference with the slay pick is it was a position of need....so there is value there. I can argue the opposite for the leshoure and broyles picks at the time. Leshoure cause he was never a fit for a passing offense and broyles was at best a 4th string type guy with a team that had numerous holes. Soooo...if you were to get the MOST out of Leshoures potential....lets pretend he never got injured and actually ran longer than 15 yards a couple times. At the MOST hed still be a 10 carry back in this offense. Is that what you want the best case scenerio to be from a 2nd round pick?....it was a dumb fucking pick and a waste of 2nd round value. Its really not his fault i rag on him so much....mayhew is an idiot.

Leshoure was a 3rd and 4th round pick that we traded for a 2nd. The year before we couldn't convert a 3rd and short to save our lives. Most was blocking but some of it was that our best back would fall down 2 yards after receiving the hand off. Leshoure was supposed to be our big back that converted short yardage and helped burn clock. How much value would that provide? 2nd round worthy? Since he tore his Achilles the obvious answer is no. If he filled the role he was intended, it wouldn't be to high of a pick. How ever you look at it, its not a pick that sets the franchisee back, especially since we have Bell (in hindsight Bell makes the Leshoure pick look even worse). As for broyles there is no doubt that pick was a luxury pick, but depending on how his career turns out it could be a steal. He is in his second year with just as many ACL surgeries. With Burlyson sidelined he gets to step in and we can finally see what we really drafted. I like his routes and hands so I have high expectations.

 

[inkfreq]

RB and WR are two positions that have a very short transition curve from college to the NFL, unlike LB or CB for example. You are doing the same things, and the learning curve is almost exclusively language based... learning the playbook.

Leshoure was drafted the same year as Titus, and neither was exactly a top priority position, but both Mayhew and Schwartz admitted that with the lockout that year, they wanted to target players that would have a shorter learning curve ahead of them.

It wasn't necessarily a stupid pick, but it was a gamble that hasn't paid off dividends.

 

[Mitchrapp]

RB and WR are two positions that have a very short transition curve from college to the NFL, unlike LB or CB for example. You are doing the same things, and the learning curve is almost exclusively language based... learning the playbook.

Leshoure was drafted the same year as Titus, and neither was exactly a top priority position, but both Mayhew and Schwartz admitted that with the lockout that year, they wanted to target players that would have a shorter learning curve ahead of them.

It wasn't necessarily a stupid pick, but it was a gamble that hasn't paid off dividends.

That's right, they did say that. Oh well, hopefully no more lockouts.

 

[schles192]

RB and WR are two positions that have a very short transition curve from college to the NFL, unlike LB or CB for example. You are doing the same things, and the learning curve is almost exclusively language based... learning the playbook.

Leshoure was drafted the same year as Titus, and neither was exactly a top priority position, but both Mayhew and Schwartz admitted that with the lockout that year, they wanted to target players that would have a shorter learning curve ahead of them.

It wasn't necessarily a stupid pick, but it was a gamble that hasn't paid off dividends.

WR has a short transition curve but it also has a high bust rate because its hard to tell if a college guy will be able to get off the press in the pros. Don't care how good you run a route or how good your hands are, if you can't get off the line your worthless.