Leshoure on his way out?

[fedexgooch78]

1 has had 5 and can't even practice at full speed.

Titus barely lasted 2

Leshoure is in his 3rd year and blows

Broyles is year 2 and still a back up to a veteran who runs routes over 5 yards twice a game.

Titus wasn't shit until he lost his marbles. Leshoure blew out his achilles. Think that was planned? Think THAT is an injury that is easy to come back from? That was the big fear discussed right when it happened. But sure...pile on him because of it.

Broyles is coming off of a 2nd knee...the opposite knee. Don't exactly bounce back from that either. So...basically, aside from Titus going off the deep end, you're blaming these guys for getting hurt.

 

[elrod817]

First...gooch...I'm happy to see you again.

Second...that list of names...certainly some bad picks, but I don't think all of them were...sure some didn't pan out, but some did show flashes and some still deserve time, and others were decent picks at the time.

Three, back to gooch's point...I don't care if the team is full of fifth rounders...if they beat Chicago, I'm happy.

 

[mhughes0021]

Titus wasn't shit until he lost his marbles. Leshoure blew out his achilles. Think that was planned? Think THAT is an injury that is easy to come back from? That was the big fear discussed right when it happened. But sure...pile on him because of it.

Broyles is coming off of a 2nd knee...the opposite knee. Don't exactly bounce back from that either. So...basically, aside from Titus going off the deep end, you're blaming these guys for getting hurt.

im not blaming anything....when you judge a draft you look at their production. We have little to no production out of our drafts from guys taken out of the first round. You are still blaming the lack of production on previous injuries...which is incorrect. Both say they are 100%....Leshoure got beat out this year by a 6th round wr from notre dame and and UDFA....that's why hes not playing. Broyles is a back-up. He could be 190% healthy and he would have still played behind Nate. Leshoure could be 260% health and hes still average less than 4 ypc. Neither guy should have been drafted where they were imo.

 

[mhughes0021]

No...you're bitching because a guy was drafted in the 2nd round isnt playing and a UDFA is. That's fucking retarded because the UDFA is playing quite well. I'm saying...who fucking cares where someone is playing when you're getting production? Did you know on draft day Leshoure would blow his achilles? Did you think the pick sucked? LKP is right...hindsight is 20/20. And retarded. Instead we have a team playing pretty well, is 2-1 about to play my most hated team at home...and instead we bitch about this.

woulda shoulda coulda is retarded and if I had a $1 for everytime LKP said "one day he'll be good" and it doesn't happen id have like $30.

 

[sggatecl]

No...you're bitching because a guy was drafted in the 2nd round isnt playing and a UDFA is. That's fucking retarded because the UDFA is playing quite well. I'm saying...who fucking cares where someone is playing when you're getting production? Did you know on draft day Leshoure would blow his achilles? Did you think the pick sucked? LKP is right...hindsight is 20/20. And retarded. Instead we have a team playing pretty well, is 2-1 about to play my most hated team at home...and instead we bitch about this.

First off, it's a message board. People come here a lot of times to vent about the team(s) when they have issues with them. Get the fuck over it. I don't know what you'd do in a Tigers game thread, you'd probably have a heart attack.

Second, I'm not bitching because LeShoure isn't playing. I'm bitching because the VAST MAJORITY of 2nd round picks in the last decade have been SHIT. Am I glad that this years draft seems a little more fruitful this far?? Sure. But I'm not going to forget about the past decade and start sucking forum cock either.

I'm a realist. You see a 2-1 team that's looking 'pretty well'. I see a 2-1 team that completely blew a game in Arizona and made Washington (a team with one of the worst defenses in the NFL) look competitive. I'm going to wait until the Chicago game to blow my load on my keyboard. It's my opinion and this is a message board. Again, get the fuck over it.

 

[MalFunkShun]

Delmas
Titus Young
Mike L Lesuss
Broyles

Let's do the Mayhew picks:

Delmas: Probowl starter and alternate so far. No injury history coming out of college. QB ratings drop dramatically when he's on the field, good pick.

Young: Had an attitude problem coming out of college (so did Fairley). Come to find out it's a more deep-seeded issue and the guy has serious mental issues. Coulda-woulda-shoulda goes here.

Leshoure- Busted his achilles tendon coming out from the draft. Preformed remarkably well in college. First year in the NFL still managed to score 9 touchdowns. You can't judge a player's success in the league after a SINGLE year. I can understand him being behind Bush in the depth chart, but that's about it. Lions gave up on him.

Broyles- If teams never drafted because an ACL injury occurred in college, or any injury that could return happened, then this would be a talent-starved league. An ACL injury at that age is something you can come back from relatively easily. He's not playing every down because maybe the Lions don't want to aggravate it and keep him out the entire year again. He'll be a productive receiver soon enough. How you can write someone off after literally having under a season played is beyond me.

 

[LKP]

Your assessment of Broyles is beyond terrible, hughes. When healthy all that guy does is produce. And Bell beating out Leshoure doesn't make Leshoure bad. Bell is a good player. His draft status means nothing right now. Bell is a good player ahead of LeShoure no matter how we acquired him.

Tom Brady is a 6th round pick. Mallett was taken in like Round 3. Is Mallett a bad pick because a 6th round pick is ahead of him. And they let a 1st round pick go in Bledsoe because that 6th round pick was so good. Bledsoe a wasted pick for the Pats?

 

[mhughes0021]

Let's do the Mayhew picks:

Delmas: Probowl starter and alternate so far. No injury history coming out of college. QB ratings drop dramatically when he's on the field, good pick.

Young: Had an attitude problem coming out of college (so did Fairley). Come to find out it's a more deep-seeded issue and the guy has serious mental issues. Coulda-woulda-shoulda goes here.

Leshoure- Busted his achilles tendon coming out from the draft. Preformed remarkably well in college. First year in the NFL still managed to score 9 touchdowns. You can't judge a player's success in the league after a SINGLE year. I can understand him being behind Bush in the depth chart, but that's about it. Lions gave up on him.

Broyles- If teams never drafted because an ACL injury occurred in college, or any injury that could return happened, then this would be a talent-starved league. An ACL injury at that age is something you can come back from relatively easily. He's not playing every down because maybe the Lions don't want to aggravate it and keep him out the entire year again. He'll be a productive receiver soon enough. How you can write someone off after literally having under a season played is beyond me.

thank you funk....a perfectly good argument no accompanied by flaming or name calling....so it can be done!

delmas - fairly accurate but im not so sure hes a pro bowl type guy. Great pick but has been completely unreliable the last 3 years. When hes healthy he does add a lot to the defense....unfortunately hes never healthy.

Leshoure - pretty spot on. although im not sure if the lions gave up on him or he gave up on the lions. Reports are his effort isnt really there....then you go and spot off about wanting to be traded....meh....3 ypc isnt worth the time it takes to figure out who is at fault.

Broyles - ive never written him off and i said numerous times how i feel he could be a major contributor in this offense. Buuuut....i didnt agree that he should have been drafted in the first place. 4th wrs with injury concerns in the 2nd round with the holes we had?....no thanks....not ever. Sure he can end up being producive....i welcome it. But imo anyone not named Durham that is an NFL calibur WR can be productive in this offense when you have bracket coverage on calvin on one side and reggie bush underneath. Anyone that is put out there and isnt productive....either isnt being thrown the ball....or blows. Im sure one of these year he'll end up with 700 yards and a handful of touchdowns and every one on here will point and laugh at me cause they think 700 yards in this offense is just sooooo awesome.....and ill say.....wow yippeee....it took 4 years for him to get 700 yards...i wonder what kind of production we could have got from actual help at a different position.

 

[MalFunkShun]

thank you funk....a perfectly good argument no accompanied by flaming or name calling....so it can be done!

delmas - fairly accurate but im not so sure hes a pro bowl type guy. Great pick but has been completely unreliable the last 3 years. When hes healthy he does add a lot to the defense....unfortunately hes never healthy.

Leshoure - pretty spot on. although im not sure if the lions gave up on him or he gave up on the lions. Reports are his effort isnt really there....then you go and spot off about wanting to be traded....meh....3 ypc isnt worth the time it takes to figure out who is at fault.

Broyles - ive never written him off and i said numerous times how i feel he could be a major contributor in this offense. Buuuut....i didnt agree that he should have been drafted in the first place. 4th wrs with injury concerns in the 2nd round with the holes we had?....no thanks....not ever. Sure he can end up being producive....i welcome it. But imo anyone not named Durham that is an NFL calibur WR can be productive in this offense when you have bracket coverage on calvin on one side and reggie bush underneath. Anyone that is put out there and isnt productive....either isnt being thrown the ball....or blows. Im sure one of these year he'll end up with 700 yards and a handful of touchdowns and every one on here will point and laugh at me cause they think 700 yards in this offense is just sooooo awesome.....and ill say.....wow yippeee....it took 4 years for him to get 700 yards...i wonder what kind of production we could have got from actual help at a different position.

I would argue that the Broyles pick is even more important due to the Titus Young situation.

Our WR core would be absolute SHIT right now. Broyles is going to play now.. and I have not a single doubt in my mind I'd rather have him over Patrick Edwards or Durham.

With regards to Leshoure, it was 3.7ypc. Looking through other high round draft picks the person I find closest to identical numbers is Trent Richardson. Leshoure scored 2 less touchdowns on 60 less carries.

 

[mhughes0021]

I would argue that the Broyles pick is even more important due to the Titus Young situation.

Our WR core would be absolute SHIT right now. Broyles is going to play now.. and I have not a single doubt in my mind I'd rather have him over Patrick Edwards or Durham.

With regards to Leshoure, it was 3.7ypc. Looking through other high round draft picks the person I find closest to identical numbers is Trent Richardson. Leshoure scored 2 less touchdowns on 60 less carries.

the brown traded richardson for a #1 pick. We regularly have leshoure inactive. Again id have to point at the front office and use those statistics you showed to create value. Our front office has once again destroyed any value he once had. This isnt the first time. In just the last few years they destroyed any value they could have got from titus, the avril debacle, and now leshoure.

 

[MalFunkShun]

the brown traded richardson for a #1 pick. We regularly have leshoure inactive. Again id have to point at the front office and use those statistics you showed to create value. Our front office has once again destroyed any value he once had. This isnt the first time. In just the last few years they destroyed any value they could have got from titus, the avril debacle, and now leshoure.

I would find it hard to believe anyone would want to trade their #1 pick for someone drafted in the 2nd round after the first year to begin with.

 

[LKP]

If LeShoure gets traded and Bell gets hurt you'll complain about our lack of depth.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If LeShoure gets traded and Bell gets hurt you'll complain about our lack of depth.

I think depth is important. But I also think we could grab someone else to replace Bell as much as Leshoure would. Just my opinion.

 

[mhughes0021]

If LeShoure gets traded and Bell gets hurt you'll complain about our lack of depth.

We will have theo riddick (who i mocked to us just as a reminder) and owens. Not to mention about 600 FA Rbs that can do the same thing Leshoure is doing.

 

[LKP]

I think depth is important. But I also think we could grab someone else to replace Bell as much as Leshoure would. Just my opinion.

At this point someone who doesn't know the playbook. LeShoure did some good things before he was battling nagging injuries last year and the Lions lost WRs 2-4 and their top TE. Ended up being a poor average with 3 fumbles (1 less than Bush had last year by the way) but there were some postive runs for the Loins last year and some receptions. LeShoure is definitely good depth on a cheap contract.

 

[Mitchrapp]

At this point someone who doesn't know the playbook. LeShoure did some good things before he was battling nagging injuries last year and the Lions lost WRs 2-4 and their top TE. Ended up being a poor average with 3 fumbles (1 less than Bush had last year by the way) but there were some postive runs for the Loins last year and some receptions. LeShoure is definitely good depth on a cheap contract.

I'm not as high on Reddick as 'Hughes is so if he is ahead of Leshoure on the depth chart, what does that say about what he means to the coaches? He is obviously not getting it done or is in one big shit house. That means he can be replaced.

 

[LKP]

I'm not as high on Reddick as 'Hughes is so if he is ahead of Leshoure on the depth chart, what does that say about what he means to the coaches? He is obviously not getting it done or is in one big shit house. That means he can be replaced.

You understand they are completely different players. Reddick has special team value and fits Bush's role. Was Bush hurt or was Bell hurt. If you think about just a little, it makes sense why Reddick was ahead of LeShoure. That doesn't automatically mean LeShoure is garbage, Reddicks role was needed more over LeShoures role.

 

[grandy]

Is Kevin Smith still floating around somewhere?

 

[LKP]

And that is why I don't like some of the negative people. They throw out gut feeling generalizations instead of taking the time to think about a players role or in the case of draft picks, what the situation was at the time for the Lions. Does it suck we don't have more production yes, but that doesn't mean Mayhew was a full blown idiot. At the time it could have been the right call and Mayhew has done enough to counter the bad picks with plenty of good picks and good free agent signing/trades/UDFAs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Is Kevin Smith still floating around somewhere?

He broke his ankle tripping over his lawn.