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Let Suh Walk?

They get more cap room with an extension. Drew Sharp is a moron.
 
http://www.freep.com/article/20140204/COL08/302040028/

Drew Sharp: Detroit Lions must learn from fiscally responsible Seahawks, let Ndamukong Suh walk

In my opinion, the only reason the Lions should trade Suh is if he demands too large of a contract. If he demands the same type of money as Geno Atkins, then we should keep him. If it's much more than that, I'd be in favor of looking for a trade. But trading/eventually not resigning him (after 2014) would definitely create a large hole in the middle of our defense, so we'd have to trust Mayhew (or whoever is in charge then) with drafting solid replacement guys.
 
What a dumbass article. He sat there and pointed out how the seahawks built their defense primarily on hitting with lower round picks and castaways/undrafteds/whatevers, but instead of suggesting that we do a better scouting job so that we may have the same fortune, he suggests that we just let our guy walk?

Not to mention how they're going to have all kinds of fun when these players on rookie contracts and late round gems are up for new deals (Wilson and Sherm played for somewhere around half a million on their rookie deals).

The only perfect way would be to hit on every draft pick and when a player comes up for negotiating a new deal, you let him walk and replace him with another draft pick that you just hit on. They need stuff to talk about SOOO BAD this time of year it's sickening.
 
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What a dumbass article. He sat there and pointed out how the seahawks built their defense primarily on hitting with lower round picks and castaways/undrafteds/whatevers, but instead of suggesting that we do a better scouting job so that we may have the same fortune, he suggests that we just let our guy walk?

Not to mention how they're going to have all kinds of fun when these players on rookie contracts and late round gems are up for new deals (Wilson and Sherm played for somewhere around half a million on their rookie deals).

The only perfect way would be to hit on every draft pick and when a player comes up for negotiating a new deal, you let him walk and replace him with another draft pick that you just hit on. They need stuff to talk about SOOO BAD this time of year it's sickening.

There is no doubt he is an idiot most of the time. The only point he has is that the Lions are always going to be in cap trouble with CJ, Suh and Stafford making as much as they do.
 
There is no doubt he is an idiot most of the time. The only point he has is that the Lions are always going to be in cap trouble with CJ, Suh and Stafford making as much as they do.

Except they aren't in cap trouble. Another reason why Sharp is an idiot. Tight cap with plenty of options to create space.
 
Except they aren't in cap trouble. Another reason why Sharp is an idiot. Tight cap with plenty of options to create space.

The problem is the options are extending Suh which only delays the problem and cutting players who will have to be replaced. When you have three guys making that much you also don't have good depth. I think it may be nearly impossible to build a championship caliber team around Stafford, Suh and CJ with the amount of money they make.
 
Except they aren't in cap trouble. Another reason why Sharp is an idiot. Tight cap with plenty of options to create space.

Phrase it however you want to, but the Lions are currently over the cap (usually called cap trouble) and won't be doing much in free agency. Maybe a #3 WR, a DE, or safety plus signing a few depth players.
 
Phrase it however you want to, but the Lions are currently over the cap (usually called cap trouble) and won't be doing much in free agency. Maybe a #3 WR, a DE, or safety plus signing a few depth players.

The Lions can be under 15 million with a Burleson pay cut (as he has done before), Delmas cut, Harris cut and Suh extension. And then you get into restructures if you want for more room. 15 million only is plenty to be players in free agency.

Lions have cap flexibility. They are not in cap trouble no matter what the TEMPORARY numbers are right now. The plan was always to extend Calvin, Stafford and Suh once they hit over 20 million cap numbers. Notice, Calvin and Stafford never played a down on a cap number over 20 million?
 
Maybe one of those rich three will give the lions a hometown discount.....
LMAO..

Lions will go nowhere until the secondary I fixed....I don't care how we do it but that is where any extra money needs to be spent....
 
Maybe one of those rich three will give the lions a hometown discount.....
LMAO..

Lions will go nowhere until the secondary I fixed....I don't care how we do it but that is where any extra money needs to be spent....

the bigger problem is getting those guys to live up to their contracts. Im fine with 3 guys making that much money. CJ and suh have played up to it. But when your qb is tieing up that much money and playing so poorly....your entire team feels the effects via not being able to sign quality depth. If youre going to make that much money you better have a peyton manningesque effect on your team.
 
Restructuring deals repeatedly will inevitably lead to cap hell sooner or later (remember what the 49ers went through?), but leaving Suh's cap hit where it is will severely hinder any attempt to upgrade the roster through free agency this year, and would probably require cutting some starters and replacing them with draft picks or league minimum contracts.

Sharp does spend plenty of time pointing out that it was excellent scouting and successful late round picks that played a big time role in Seattle's success... does he really need to come out and say that Detroit needs to do this in order to get the point across?

Not sure what the final cap # will be for Suh, Stafford, and CJ if they restructure/extend their contracts, but it would certainly be closer to the league average than it currently is (for a year or two, anyways, and then cap hell inevitably will set in and the team will have to be blown up).

The question is, do we push the inevitable down the road a few more years and extend Suh/restructure CJ, which solves the problem today at the expense of making the problem much bigger down the road? Or do we take the hit now in order to have much greater flexibility starting next year, at the expense of improving this roster for a potential run over the next couple years?

The answer is, a lot depends on what you think of the current roster, especially Stafford. We all know that this team, as constructed, will go no further than Stafford can take them. Will he become who we all hope he can be? Aside from whether he reaches his potential or not, you also have to look at the lesser names that occupy key positions... do we have the necessary talent core at OL, DL, WR/TE, DB, RB, and LB to win with minimal additions? If you think yes, then you do the extensions/restructures and go for it. If not, then maybe taking the hit now and letting Suh walk next year could make sense logically.

Two final things to note:

1) Fans are not logical, and letting Suh go next year would be a VERY HARD sell for the Fords/Mayhew. Detroit has been mired in suck-hood for too long, and we fans (with the exception of LKP lol) are not likely to sit patiently while they rebuild... again.

2) Regardless of what happens with Suh, this team will not be successful unless they have better, and consistent, results from the middle and late rounds of the draft. In the salary cap era, teams cannot afford to have competitive starting units, let alone quality depth, comprised of only higher draft picks and FA pickups. They need some of those later picks to make significant contributions at a competitive level in order to win it all. The more money invested in a few star players, the more important those picks become.
 
the bigger problem is getting those guys to live up to their contracts. Im fine with 3 guys making that much money. CJ and suh have played up to it. But when your qb is tieing up that much money and playing so poorly....your entire team feels the effects via not being able to sign quality depth. If youre going to make that much money you better have a peyton manningesque effect on your team.

Stafford first 10 games a franchise qb. His cap number would have been higher in 2013 and 2014 without the extension. New deal money is only 7 million on the cap in 2014. The 2011 and 2012 restructures make it 15 million. That got us tulloch, wright, Houston, durant in 2011 and tulloch, avril levy and Backus and Hill back in 2012. Restructure worth it in 2011 and tulloch and levy here worth it. Avril after a big year in 2011 had to be retained. And properly let walk after a down 2012 for avril
 
Stafford first 10 games a franchise qb. His cap number would have been higher in 2013 and 2014 without the extension. New deal money is only 7 million on the cap in 2014. The 2011 and 2012 restructures make it 15 million. That got us tulloch, wright, Houston, durant in 2011 and tulloch, avril levy and Backus and Hill back in 2012. Restructure worth it in 2011 and tulloch and levy here worth it. Avril after a big year in 2011 had to be retained. And properly let walk after a down 2012 for avril

He played well the 1st half of the season. But the problem is that the season is more than 10 games. If he's going to affect our salary cap number as much as he does (regardless of what the deal is not counting the restructures), he has to play very well for the entire season. End of story.
 
He played well the 1st half of the season. But the problem is that the season is more than 10 games. If he's going to affect our salary cap number as much as he does (regardless of what the deal is not counting the restructures), he has to play very well for the entire season. End of story.

His market value is based on his new deal only though. 7 million cap number for this year. That is what the Lions felt he was worth and will pay him that in new deal money. 9 million in 2013, 7 million in 2014 then 13 million for the guaranteed first 3 years of the contract. The rest is fluff that can be made into a new deal in 2016 and beyond. Chump change for QBs. For instance, Newton's cheap rookie deal is 7 million cap number in 2014. Now pay attention to this next sentence. The restructures are completely separate based on a large contract due to the old CBA and the Lions needing cap space in 2011 and 2012. They have nothing to do with how the Lions valued Stafford. They have everything to do with the old CBA and a forced contract and how the Lions needed to obtain free agents in 2011 and 2012 (Tulloch, Levy, Wright, Durant etc etc)
 
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I've been saying for awhile this willbe Suhs last year here. In today's NFL you just simply can not have 3 of the highest paid players at their position. Especially when they are some of the highest paid positions in the game. It just doesn't work.

They structured recent signings to absorb Suhs crazy cap number they knew was coming for awhile now. It's going to be a unsexy offseason this year.
This team was built for offense. Draft a talented WR, make it hard for Stafford to fail.

If Stafford can put up top 5 numbers this team will be ok with or without Suh. If he can't we are screwed the next couple years regardless of what we have on defense.

Either way it comes down to Stafford and the offense. Either way we let Suh walk at the end of the year. We are either a competitive team or not, suh doesn't change that.

Suh in Seattle would be a great fit. Seems like Seattle gets the benefit of being able to play more physical than most teams are allowed. Suh + officaks letting him play would be dominate with that back 7 behind him.
 
His market value is based on his new deal only though. 7 million cap number for this year. That is what the Lions felt he was worth and will pay him that in new deal money. 9 million in 2013, 7 million in 2014 then 13 million for the guaranteed first 3 years of the contract. The rest is fluff that can be made into a new deal in 2016 and beyond. Chump change for QBs. For instance, Newton's cheap rookie deal is 7 million cap number in 2014. Now pay attention to this next sentence. The restructures are completely separate based on a large contract due to the old CBA and the Lions needing cap space in 2011 and 2012. They have nothing to do with how the Lions valued Stafford. They have everything to do with the old CBA and a forced contract and how the Lions needed to obtain free agents in 2011 and 2012 (Tulloch, Levy, Wright, Durant etc etc)

Look at his cap numbers...not base salary.

From an article I found (I have to assume it is correct)

2014 - $15.8
2015 - $17.7
2016 - $22.5
2017 - $22

so, again he will have the Lions by the balls around 2016. They are going to have to extend him and push even more money out into the future.
 
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