Lions Kicking The Tires On RBs At Senior Bowl

[dannydiggler]

Since Demaryius is fine a running back who relies on sharp cuts and that much contact every play should be fine. It's not like 90 some % of the running backs with this same injury never recover.

Best is always a head to head hit closer to retirement. No need to worry.


GO TURF MONSTER!!! GO 5th rd rookie!!!!

 

[mhughes0021]

There is a lot more to a good offense than ranking. One of the reasons we gave up so many yards in the last few weeks is because we couldn't keep offenses off the field.

The Lions are explosive...no doubt about it....but a running game balances things....improves a HORRIBLE third down %.....raises time of possession....keeps opponents offenses off the field.....keeps the D fresh...and would limit some of the double and triple teams CJ sees.

I'd take that over a 4th WR any day.

WE HAVE NO MONEY. We could only afford a min-contract signing. Worthless.

We are not adding a RB in FA. Accept it, people.

Tigers had no money either and then spent 214 mil. theres always a way. Theres no way of knowing our cap situation right now with the uncertainty of avril, havent restructured CJ, havent cut CW. Thats close to 25 mil in savings right there if Avril end up whoring himself and those other things happen. We will have room for a couple of 5-8 mil signings on top of the Tulloch resign.

 

[lp4ever41]

WE HAVE NO MONEY. We could only afford a min-contract signing. Worthless.

We are not adding a RB in FA. Accept it, people.

Tigers had no money either and then spent 214 mil. theres always a way. Theres no way of knowing our cap situation right now with the uncertainty of avril, havent restructured CJ, havent cut CW. Thats close to 25 mil in savings right there if Avril end up whoring himself and those other things happen. We will have room for a couple of 5-8 mil signings on top of the Tulloch resign.

Tigers don't have a salary cap. Also, we have to sign Tulloch, Hill, Backus, KSmith, tender SLH and Levy, sign draft picks, and fill out the rest of the roster. What's left will be very little, and it will go towards signing a corner for our terrible secondary.

But who do you want to spend money at RB on? If we found some cap space, I'd rather Mayhew spent it on Mathis or Nicks at guard. Then we could cut Peterman and his $2.5 million salary. Guards last much longer than RBs too. Much better use of that money.

 

[lp4ever41]

Danny Diggler[/color]]Since Demaryius is fine a running back who relies on sharp cuts and that much contact every play should be fine. It's not like 90 some % of the running backs with this same injury never recover.

Best is always a head to head hit closer to retirement. No need to worry.


GO TURF MONSTER!!! GO 5th rd rookie!!!!

Show me a statistic saying 90% of running backs with achilles injuries never recover.

 

[mhughes0021]

Tigers had no money either and then spent 214 mil. theres always a way. Theres no way of knowing our cap situation right now with the uncertainty of avril, havent restructured CJ, havent cut CW. Thats close to 25 mil in savings right there if Avril end up whoring himself and those other things happen. We will have room for a couple of 5-8 mil signings on top of the Tulloch resign.

Tigers don't have a salary cap. Also, we have to sign Tulloch, Hill, Backus, KSmith, tender SLH and Levy, sign draft picks, and fill out the rest of the roster. What's left will be very little, and it will go towards signing a corner for our terrible secondary.

But who do you want to spend money at RB on? If we found some cap space, I'd rather Mayhew spent it on Mathis or Nicks at guard. Then we could cut Peterman and his $2.5 million salary. Guards last much longer than RBs too. Much better use of that money.

tulloch is the only guy on that list that will cost more than last year....those other guys wont effect the cap anymore than they did this year.

i agree with you, that money should go to a corner. Undrafted RBs can run for 1200+ yards with an elite run blocking oline....why spend huge money on one.

Just as a side note a couple years ago i was one of the only ones that wanted to trade for Lynch when buffalo was trying to get rid of him....funny how everyone wants to sign him now that hes going to cost an arm and a leg.

 

[sggatecl]

Just as a side note a couple years ago i was one of the only ones that wanted to trade for Lynch when buffalo was trying to get rid of him....funny how everyone wants to sign him now that hes going to cost an arm and a leg.

Funny you mention that. I also wanted him, but my step dad said it would be an awful move. I bet him 18 holes and a cart that Lynch would put up 1,000 yards and at least 8 touchdowns in 2011. Cashing that in this summer, just haven't picked a course.

 

[dannydiggler]

Danny Diggler[/color]]Since Demaryius is fine a running back who relies on sharp cuts and that much contact every play should be fine. It's not like 90 some % of the running backs with this same injury never recover.

Best is always a head to head hit closer to retirement. No need to worry.


GO TURF MONSTER!!! GO 5th rd rookie!!!!

Show me a statistic saying 90% of running backs with achilles injuries never recover.

I'm much too lazy. Ask Slick

 

[mhughes0021]

Just as a side note a couple years ago i was one of the only ones that wanted to trade for Lynch when buffalo was trying to get rid of him....funny how everyone wants to sign him now that hes going to cost an arm and a leg.

Funny you mention that. I also wanted him, but my step dad said it would be an awful move. I bet him 18 holes and a cart that Lynch would put up 1,000 yards and at least 8 touchdowns in 2011. Cashing that in this summer, just haven't picked a course.

lol nice

 

[lions2011]

Seahawks are going to franchise Lynch if they cant long term him by March.

 

[tonyballs]

Danny Diggler[/color]]


Let's roll with a guy without a head. Or maybe a guy without an Achilles. Turf monster Smith? I like the sound of this..

They will roll with those three, plus a draft pick or CHEAP free agent.

Check out Demaryius Thomas. Same injury as Leshore, had it last February, was back in less than a year. Leshore can come back next year.

If you want a great running game, build the o-line first. THEN get the RBs.

Teams like NE and GB have pretty good offenses, do they spend big money on RBs? NO grabbed Sproles, but he's a different type of RB. They traded up for Ingram only to find out that Ivory and Thomas run just as well.

And finally, which FA RB do you want? Rice, Forte, and Bush will get tagged. Foster will get tendered and he's a zone blocking RB anyways. Lynch? You wanna spend on a guy who sucked most of his career, then had a good second half of one season in a contract year, and is looking to get paid big? Forget it. Peyton Hillis? You see where I'm going.

I agree with you on pretty much everything, but can you explain to me how Lynch has 'sucked' for most of his career? He's been on 2 BAD football teams, bro. The kid can play RB and has put up some nice numbers. Especially on a horrific Bills team a few years back and the Seahawks are a complete joke. His numbers may not be eye-popping but they're impressive enough with the garbage teams he's been on. That's a fact..........

He would look good in a Lions uni IMO......

 

[lp4ever41]

They will roll with those three, plus a draft pick or CHEAP free agent.

Check out Demaryius Thomas. Same injury as Leshore, had it last February, was back in less than a year. Leshore can come back next year.

If you want a great running game, build the o-line first. THEN get the RBs.

Teams like NE and GB have pretty good offenses, do they spend big money on RBs? NO grabbed Sproles, but he's a different type of RB. They traded up for Ingram only to find out that Ivory and Thomas run just as well.

And finally, which FA RB do you want? Rice, Forte, and Bush will get tagged. Foster will get tendered and he's a zone blocking RB anyways. Lynch? You wanna spend on a guy who sucked most of his career, then had a good second half of one season in a contract year, and is looking to get paid big? Forget it. Peyton Hillis? You see where I'm going.

I agree with you on pretty much everything, but can you explain to me how Lynch has 'sucked' for most of his career? He's been on 2 BAD football teams, bro. The kid can play RB and has put up some nice numbers. Especially on a horrific Bills team a few years back and the Seahawks are a complete joke. His numbers may not be eye-popping but they're impressive enough with the garbage teams he's been on. That's a fact..........

He would look good in a Lions uni IMO......

He left and F-Jax tore up in Buffalo. He was great this year, but only in the 2nd half of the season. Plus, he's got a lot of mileage on him for a RB. And he's gonna cost a ton if he isn't franchised. Its an expensive risk, and the end of the contract would be brutal. That's money better spent on a guy like Nicks or Mathis, if Mayhew even has the money.

Not gonna deny his BEAST MODE this year though. Carried the Seahawks for most of the year.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree with you on pretty much everything, but can you explain to me how Lynch has 'sucked' for most of his career? He's been on 2 BAD football teams, bro. The kid can play RB and has put up some nice numbers. Especially on a horrific Bills team a few years back and the Seahawks are a complete joke. His numbers may not be eye-popping but they're impressive enough with the garbage teams he's been on. That's a fact..........

He would look good in a Lions uni IMO......

He left and F-Jax tore up in Buffalo. He was great this year, but only in the 2nd half of the season. Plus, he's got a lot of mileage on him for a RB. And he's gonna cost a ton if he isn't franchised. Its an expensive risk, and the end of the contract would be brutal. That's money better spent on a guy like Nicks or Mathis, if Mayhew even has the money.

Not gonna deny his BEAST MODE this year though. Carried the Seahawks for most of the year.

carrying a team that has a horrid pass game featuring tavaris and fat ass mike williams is alot harder than people think lol. We cant run vs 6 man fronts...this dude ran against a 8 man front well for most of the year. Its impressive.

 

[lions2011]

ain't getting Lynch....not happening.

 

[cheeno]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

Show me a statistic saying 90% of running backs with achilles injuries never recover.

I'm much too lazy. Ask Slick

http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture

Not 90% but not a good prognosis. Most have major power and explosion issues. Average games played per year after an achilles injury: 6. A former teammate of mine was a sub 4.3 RB/Return specialist who played pro ball in Canada. He tore his achilles and it pretty much ended his career, well that and his stone hands.

In short Leshoure is by no means a write off but you can't be counting on him coming back to quality play.

 

[lp4ever41]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

I'm much too lazy. Ask Slick

http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture

Not 90% but not a good prognosis. Most have major power and explosion issues. Average games played per year after an achilles injury: 6. A former teammate of mine was a sub 4.3 RB/Return specialist who played pro ball in Canada. He tore his achilles and it pretty much ended his career, well that and his stone hands.

In short Leshoure is by no means a write off but you can't be counting on him coming back to quality play.

This bullshit article has already been debunked. Its misleading. A bunch of the people they used for those percentages were older players who were going to break down soon anyways. Of course their play declined. Plus, that was 2002. 10 years later, medical advances can have a huge impact. Look at Tommy John Surgery. Thomas is a good example of how quickly someone can recover these days.

 

[cheeno]

http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture

Not 90% but not a good prognosis. Most have major power and explosion issues. Average games played per year after an achilles injury: 6. A former teammate of mine was a sub 4.3 RB/Return specialist who played pro ball in Canada. He tore his achilles and it pretty much ended his career, well that and his stone hands.

In short Leshoure is by no means a write off but you can't be counting on him coming back to quality play.

This bullshit article has already been debunked. Its misleading. A bunch of the people they used for those percentages were older players who were going to break down soon anyways. Of course their play declined. Plus, that was 2002. 10 years later, medical advances can have a huge impact. Look at Tommy John Surgery. Thomas is a good example of how quickly someone can recover these days.

Look again. That article was March 2010 I can look up the peer reviewed paper written by those authors as well but this is getting ridiculous. Get it through your head, achilles is probably the worst injury you could sustain as an athlete. For every Thomas there are 10 wash outs. Doctors would take an ACL over an achilles everytime.

 

[lp4ever41]

This bullshit article has already been debunked. Its misleading. A bunch of the people they used for those percentages were older players who were going to break down soon anyways. Of course their play declined. Plus, that was 2002. 10 years later, medical advances can have a huge impact. Look at Tommy John Surgery. Thomas is a good example of how quickly someone can recover these days.

Look again. That article was March 2010 I can look up the peer reviewed paper written by those authors as well but this is getting ridiculous. Get it through your head, achilles is probably the worst injury you could sustain as an athlete. For every Thomas there are 10 wash outs. Doctors would take an ACL over an achilles everytime.

Unreal. The article was 2010, but the relevant data was collected in 2002.

"This study showed that 31 acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurred in NFL players between 1997 and 2002. The average age of a player sustaining a rupture was 29, with an average career before injury spanning six years."

Leshoure might not be back next year, but that's far from certain.

 

[cheeno]

Look again. That article was March 2010 I can look up the peer reviewed paper written by those authors as well but this is getting ridiculous. Get it through your head, achilles is probably the worst injury you could sustain as an athlete. For every Thomas there are 10 wash outs. Doctors would take an ACL over an achilles everytime.

Unreal. The article was 2010, but the relevant data was collected in 2002.

"This study showed that 31 acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurred in NFL players between 1997 and 2002. The average age of a player sustaining a rupture was 29, with an average career before injury spanning six years."

Leshoure might not be back next year, but that's far from certain.

The article is a literature review spanning from about 1960-2007, with the latest study on NFL players cited coming from Parekh in 2007 which presents similar findings to the apparently 'debunked' 2002 paper.

The average age of players in the study was 29 because achilles rupture is in the vast majority of cases a degenerative injury and thus is more prevalent in veteran players. I can look up the age variance in the Parekh paper if I get bored later. According to this paper in all likelihood Leshoure probably already had some issues with his achilles prior which the Lions Meds missed. They describe some of the advancements in treating achilles toward the bottom of the article, and being young for any injury certainly helps.

The guy may come back and take the league by storm and I don't wan't to piss on the eternal optimist but I'm sure the FO is not brimming with confidence on this one hence the title of this thread.

 

[lions2011]

you got 2 young RBs who are very questionable right now..and behind them a bunch of scrubs.

the Lions will draft a RB in the first 3 rounds of the 2012 draft.....bookmark this and throw it in my face after the draft if Im wrong.

 

[lp4ever41]

Unreal. The article was 2010, but the relevant data was collected in 2002.

"This study showed that 31 acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurred in NFL players between 1997 and 2002. The average age of a player sustaining a rupture was 29, with an average career before injury spanning six years."

Leshoure might not be back next year, but that's far from certain.

The article is a literature review spanning from about 1960-2007, with the latest study on NFL players cited coming from Parekh in 2007 which presents similar findings to the apparently 'debunked' 2002 paper.

The average age of players in the study was 29 because achilles rupture is in the vast majority of cases a degenerative injury and thus is more prevalent in veteran players. I can look up the age variance in the Parekh paper if I get bored later. According to this paper in all likelihood Leshoure probably already had some issues with his achilles prior which the Lions Meds missed. They describe some of the advancements in treating achilles toward the bottom of the article, and being young for any injury certainly helps.

The guy may come back and take the league by storm and I don't wan't to piss on the eternal optimist but I'm sure the FO is not brimming with confidence on this one hence the title of this thread.

Sure, they're worried. But they're not spending big money on a FA RB. They'll almost definitely draft one, but I think Leshoure will play in 2012.