Lions O scheme change

[zyxt9]

At least vs Vikes, consider how SF did it. Lions should change to a run first mindset. Take pressure off Stafford, especially with his Wing Ding. Feed it to AA, Bell, ZZ, and Riddick all day. If it works, keep on it and for rest of year run a much more balanced offense. RBs are too good this year to not be more balanced.

Granted, this implies Lombardi has a clue, which he obviously does not.

 

[zyxt9]

On Mike and Mike, Golic just gave props to AA, "he was like a video game out there".

Lombardi better start thinking balanced, or even run first. Open up the passing game through running the ball with success. When they stop doubles on CJ to bring extra defender in vs run, then throw it.

They have talented RBs...use them more. Control the clock and let the D rest up so they can bring the pressure on every snap instead of being gassed by halftime.

 

[tonyballs]

On Mike and Mike, Golic just gave props to AA, "he was like a video game out there".

Lombardi better start thinking balanced, or even run first. Open up the passing game through running the ball with success. When they stop doubles on CJ to bring extra defender in vs run, then throw it.

They have talented RBs...use them more. Control the clock and let the D rest up so they can bring the pressure on every snap instead of being gassed by halftime.

Funny thing is, San Diego ran Woodhead and Gordon a total of 26 times!! Abullah and Bell ran the ball 13 times!! lol. That's fucking horrible any way you look at it. And we were winning the game for the most part. That beyond baffles the fuck out of me to no end!!

Oh, and we were averaging as a team on the ground a 4.3 clip to SD's 3.2 ...lmfao

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Funny thing is, San Diego ran Woodhead and Gordon a total of 26 times!! Abullah and Bell ran the ball 13 times!! lol. That's fucking horrible any way you look at it. And we were winning the game for the most part. That beyond baffles the fuck out of me to no end!!

Oh, and we were averaging as a team on the ground a 4.3 clip to SD's 3.2 ...lmfao

I think that is one thing this entire board agrees on.......though Stafford is no Aaron Rodgers......Lombardi's O is not getting the job done AT ALL.

I've referenced it a couple times now, but did anyone watch the Philly/Atl game. Atlanta was getting good pressure in the first 20 minutes with just their front 4 and dropping 7 into coverage. Philly had an awful first 4 or 5 series. Had 3 points.

Then, they adjusted. Basically, they took Demarco Murray out of the game and put in Sproles and Ryan Mathews together and just worked Atlanta underneath with the short passing game. Atlanta had no answer. Front four got gassed. Sproles and Mathews were KILLING Atlanta.

Philly scored 21 straight and should have won that game.

That's an adjustment. A good one. Hey, if they want to take CJ and Tate away......take out Bell.....put in AA and Riddick and go underneath. Angle routes to the RB's. Short crossing routs (hello SD), screens, draws. MAKE the defense adjust and then use CJ and Tate.

Will Lombardi do that........FUCK NO. He tries to force what he wants to do on the defense even if what he is trying to do fits right into their scheme. It's fucking stupid. Stop trying to be the smartest guy in the stadium and start using the weapons you have better.

Like Tony mentioned.......there was no reason to stop using Abdullah Sunday. Bell was ineffective at best.....but Abdullah and Riddick (in the last series) were too much for the SD LB's to handle. Go to it. I don't care if Stafford completes 30 passes to the RB's........if it scores us 35 points.....who gives a shit!!!!

 

[zyxt9]

I'd also run more. Spread the D with 4 WRs and run up the middle. Put in the FB and 2 TEs and run the ball. I don't care, just run more. The RBs are good this year, they need to run more. It sets up play action, especially when the D is forced to put another guy in the box instead of covering CJ.

 

[tonyballs]

I think that is one thing this entire board agrees on.......though Stafford is no Aaron Rodgers......Lombardi's O is not getting the job done AT ALL.

I've referenced it a couple times now, but did anyone watch the Philly/Atl game. Atlanta was getting good pressure in the first 20 minutes with just their front 4 and dropping 7 into coverage. Philly had an awful first 4 or 5 series. Had 3 points.

Then, they adjusted. Basically, they took Demarco Murray out of the game and put in Sproles and Ryan Mathews together and just worked Atlanta underneath with the short passing game. Atlanta had no answer. Front four got gassed. Sproles and Mathews were KILLING Atlanta.

Philly scored 21 straight and should have won that game.

That's an adjustment. A good one. Hey, if they want to take CJ and Tate away......take out Bell.....put in AA and Riddick and go underneath. Angle routes to the RB's. Short crossing routs (hello SD), screens, draws. MAKE the defense adjust and then use CJ and Tate.

Will Lombardi do that........FUCK NO. He tries to force what he wants to do on the defense even if what he is trying to do fits right into their scheme. It's fucking stupid. Stop trying to be the smartest guy in the stadium and start using the weapons you have better.

Like Tony mentioned.......there was no reason to stop using Abdullah Sunday. Bell was ineffective at best.....but Abdullah and Riddick (in the last series) were too much for the SD LB's to handle. Go to it. I don't care if Stafford completes 30 passes to the RB's........if it scores us 35 points.....who gives a shit!!!!

We're in for a long year with Lombardi running the show, man. If this keeps up, Caldwell needs to step in and relieve his duties as OC. He did it in Indy, he sure as hell can do it here.

 

[biggunsbob]

I agree with you all.. LOMBARDI better freaking wake up. . That game was there on a platter for us and he is mostly to blame for the loss. . Yes players make mistakes but if we had just a little adjustments on offense we would have destroyed SD.

 

[biggunsbob]

Well and I guess the invisible Austin had a poor game.. man this team needs levy badly.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'd also run more. Spread the D with 4 WRs and run up the middle. Put in the FB and 2 TEs and run the ball. I don't care, just run more. The RBs are good this year, they need to run more. It sets up play action, especially when the D is forced to put another guy in the box instead of covering CJ.

That's exactly it. Do SOMETHING to force coverage off of Calvin instead of trying to FORCE it to him. I have no idea how an NFL OC seems to have no idea that an offense can work like that.

 

[sggatecl]

Funny thing is, San Diego ran Woodhead and Gordon a total of 26 times!! Abullah and Bell ran the ball 13 times!! lol. That's fucking horrible any way you look at it. And we were winning the game for the most part. That beyond baffles the fuck out of me to no end!!

Oh, and we were averaging as a team on the ground a 4.3 clip to SD's 3.2 ...lmfao

When you consider how long we had the lead, to be doubled in rushing attempts...that's mind blowing. Absolutely pathetic. It's no wonder their defense was more fresh at the end of the game.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Honestly, I not sure Matt could hit those short routes consistently enough. 17 games for Lombardi now.. Do you really think he'll change and adjust?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Honestly, I not sure Matt could hit those short routes consistently enough. 17 games for Lombardi now.. Do you really think he'll change and adjust?

No, no I don't. That's my issue. That seems to be everyone's issue.

We consistently have games this close because of ONE constant........our coaching staff. We are so afraid to lose when we get the lead we go soft. Soft and conservative on offense and defense......and our head coach not only seems to allow it, but he seems to be demanding it.

Think about it.......the ONLY time we are aggressive is the beginning of games or when we are behind. We play with such a great pace when we're behind. I know, I know.......defenses will play soft at that point........but why not try it any other time? Why not throw in an up tempo "wrinkle" to this O? Stafford seems to play so much better when we force tempo.

So does the defense. We don't have to blitz every down.....but we play so much better when we TRY to force tempo on defense. We DESTROYED that vaunted Dallas offensive line in the first half of the playoff game last year. That was the single best half of defensive football I have ever seen from a Detroit Lions team. They were absolutely unaware of where and when the blitz was coming from they couldn't move the ball. Romo was looking at the rush and not the coverage. Guys were coming in unblocked (sound familiar).

I just never understand the passive, bend but don't break line of play calling. When has a Super Bowl caliber team EVER played that way? I can think of one, maybe two. The Peyton Manning Colts....who had Peyton Manning. And the Buccanneers......who played that Tampa 2.....but had Pro Bowlers all over the field to make it work extremely well.

 

[mhughes0021]

On Mike and Mike, Golic just gave props to AA, "he was like a video game out there".

Lombardi better start thinking balanced, or even run first. Open up the passing game through running the ball with success. When they stop doubles on CJ to bring extra defender in vs run, then throw it.

They have talented RBs...use them more. Control the clock and let the D rest up so they can bring the pressure on every snap instead of being gassed by halftime.

Funny you mention that. ...the sedano show mentioned how stafford if a shittier version of andy dalton yesterday. When asked if he thought the lions lose solely because of Stafford he said "yes. ...anytime you have calvin and Tate and still can't complete passes its the quarterbacks fault."

 

[LKP]

Funny you mention that. ...the sedano show mentioned how stafford if a shittier version of andy dalton yesterday. When asked if he thought the lions lose solely because of Stafford he said "yes. ...anytime you have calvin and Tate and still can't complete passes its the quarterbacks fault."

Stafford was 63%

And Calvin and Tate were blanketed. Flowers and Verrett and Weddle had good games.

Stafford pressure alot.

That guy is just doing the whole blame the QB thing. He's an idiot

 

[Mitchrapp]

Did Detroit run the no-huddle? I know they did in preseason so I thought it was going to be a thing. I'm curious how much they did..

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford was 63%

And Calvin and Tate were blanketed. Flowers and Verrett and Weddle had good games.

Stafford pressure alot.

That guy is just doing the whole blame the QB thing. He's an idiot

well, Stafford was 5-6 for 83 yards and a TD vs. the prevent defense. He really didn't play very well other than the first drive and the drive vs. the prevent D.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stafford was 63%

And Calvin and Tate were blanketed. Flowers and Verrett and Weddle had good games.

Stafford pressure alot.

That guy is just doing the whole blame the QB thing. He's an idiot

63% isn't that good

calvin had 3 guys on him......which means everyone else is running around with 1 v 1s and Stafford still couldn't score any points.

Stafford is in charge of the protections

QB is to blame. Therefor hes doing the whole blame the qb thing.

 

[LKP]

well, Stafford was 5-6 for 83 yards and a TD vs. the prevent defense. He really didn't play very well other than the first drive and the drive vs. the prevent D.

he played excellent on several drives. The pressure got him to kill drives, Abduallh run for 2 on 3rd and 3 killed one, Ebron drop killed one, sack killed one, Tate short of sticks killed one, pressure for the int on one. Not many drives

First drive and second offensive TD drive he was sharp and prevent D drive. Moved the ball on other drives too that stalled because of others.

63% and 8.2 YPA. 8 incompletions due to pressure out of 11 total.

 

[LKP]

63% isn't that good

calvin had 3 guys on him......which means everyone else is running around with 1 v 1s and Stafford still couldn't score any points.

Stafford is in charge of the protections

QB is to blame. Therefor hes doing the whole blame the qb thing.

Lions scored 28 points. Drives stalling wasn't Stafford's fault

Verett covered Tate. ILBs and Weddle did a good job too

If you blame Stafford, you didn't watch the game.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lions scored 28 points. Drives stalling wasn't Stafford's fault

Verett covered Tate. ILBs and Weddle did a good job too

If you blame Stafford, you didn't watch the game.

Devils advocate - offense only 14 when the game mattered.