Lions O scheme change

[atxlion82]

No, no I don't. That's my issue. That seems to be everyone's issue.

We consistently have games this close because of ONE constant........our coaching staff. We are so afraid to lose when we get the lead we go soft. Soft and conservative on offense and defense......and our head coach not only seems to allow it, but he seems to be demanding it.

Think about it.......the ONLY time we are aggressive is the beginning of games or when we are behind. We play with such a great pace when we're behind. I know, I know.......defenses will play soft at that point........but why not try it any other time? Why not throw in an up tempo "wrinkle" to this O? Stafford seems to play so much better when we force tempo.

So does the defense. We don't have to blitz every down.....but we play so much better when we TRY to force tempo on defense. We DESTROYED that vaunted Dallas offensive line in the first half of the playoff game last year. That was the single best half of defensive football I have ever seen from a Detroit Lions team. They were absolutely unaware of where and when the blitz was coming from they couldn't move the ball. Romo was looking at the rush and not the coverage. Guys were coming in unblocked (sound familiar).

I just never understand the passive, bend but don't break line of play calling. When has a Super Bowl caliber team EVER played that way? I can think of one, maybe two. The Peyton Manning Colts....who had Peyton Manning. And the Buccanneers......who played that Tampa 2.....but had Pro Bowlers all over the field to make it work extremely well.

MLive had a pretty good article where he brakes down if it was the play calling or lack of execution. Skimmed through the analysis but he pretty much sums it up as a lack of execution. Missed blocks (which will happen with your right side of the line out).

 

[tonyballs]

When you consider how long we had the lead, to be doubled in rushing attempts...that's mind blowing. Absolutely pathetic. It's no wonder their defense was more fresh at the end of the game.

But half this board blames the QB in that situation. Why? lol

 

[tonyballs]

Funny you mention that. ...the sedano show mentioned how stafford if a shittier version of andy dalton yesterday. When asked if he thought the lions lose solely because of Stafford he said "yes. ...anytime you have calvin and Tate and still can't complete passes its the quarterbacks fault."

The most idiotic thing I have ever heard in my fucking life...wow

 

[LKP]

When you go three and out, you dont get many pass or rush attempts.

Pressure was the problem and great coverage on Calvin and Tate. Pressure % was higher than last year.

Also Quin pick 6 takes away one drive.

Long Rivers drives chews up clock. (defensive issue not Lombardi)

We deserve Waddle and Warford and Levy back ASAP.

 

[sggatecl]

But half this board blames the QB in that situation. Why? lol

As always, most of them are compensating for the trolly "Stafford had a great game" comments. Also as always, it makes them look just as silly.

 

[LKP]

As always, most of them are compensating for the trolly "Stafford had a great game" comments. Also as always, it makes them look just as silly.

Most give generic blame to QB and play calling. It's not because of me. It's because they don't know who to really blame.

And if they blame Stafford solely because of me telling them what actually happened in the game, that makes them even dumber.

 

[brewer229]

On this board if you say anything negative about Stafford it suddenly becomes, "Oh so you blame 100% of this loss on Stafford?"

Anyone with half of brain can tell you that Stafford was one of many people that didn't play very well. He was part of the problem, that is a fact...He did not play well enough. Tulloch didn't play well enough, Bell didn't play well enough, Mathis didn't play well enough.

 

[LKP]

On this board if you say anything negative about Stafford it suddenly becomes, "Oh so you blame 100% of this loss on Stafford?"

Anyone with half of brain can tell you that Stafford was one of many people that didn't play very well. He was part of the problem, that is a fact...He did not play well enough. Tulloch didn't play well enough, Bell didn't play well enough, Mathis didn't play well enough.

No. You are wrong. Stafford did his job.
Anyone with a brain can tell you it was pressure allowed by the Oline
And poor play from Mathis and Tullcoh which allowed long drives and took the ball out of Stafford's hands.

 

[brewer229]

No. You are wrong. Stafford did his job.
Anyone with a brain can tell you it was pressure allowed by the Oline
And poor play from Mathis and Tullcoh which allowed long drives and took the ball out of Stafford's hands.

Sorry the QBs job is to not only make plays when 100% of things go right around him. He needs to make plays when things go wrong.

I agree Tomlinson was bad out there, but step up and make plays. The QB owns some of the blame. Don't miss Bell on a wheel route for an easy 1st down. Don't make a horrible INT throw because there is a bit a pressure. Don't miss a 10 yard hitch by 5 yards. When you are responsible for calling your pressure you need to take some responsibility when people come in unblocked. Be aware of someone coming in on your right side, this isn't his blindside, he needs more field awareness. Raiola isn't there to read the defense for you anymore, time to take responsibility.

 

[Mitchrapp]

On this board if you say anything negative about Stafford it suddenly becomes, "Oh so you blame 100% of this loss on Stafford?"

Anyone with half of brain can tell you that Stafford was one of many people that didn't play very well. He was part of the problem, that is a fact...He did not play well enough. Tulloch didn't play well enough, Bell didn't play well enough, Mathis didn't play well enough.

This is it right here. You say Matt missed one pass and suddenly we're blaming him for the loss. Him only.

 

[LKP]

Sorry the QBs job is to not only make plays when 100% of things go right around him. He needs to make plays when things go wrong.

I agree Tomlinson was bad out there, but step up and make plays. The QB owns some of the blame. Don't miss Bell on a wheel route for an easy 1st down. Don't make a horrible INT throw because there is a bit a pressure. Don't miss a 10 yard hitch by 5 yards. When you are responsible for calling your pressure you need to take some responsibility when people come in unblocked. Be aware of someone coming in on your right side, this isn't his blindside, he needs more field awareness. Raiola isn't there to read the defense for you anymore, time to take responsibility.

Pressure on 12 dropbacks of 31 and everyone is covered and you expect Stafford to make plays. That's insane!!! Stafford did a good job. He couldn't do his job the 8 incompletes(includes 2 picks) due to pressure for various reasons.

Stafford made 16 good completions with time and 3 completions under pressure.

Stafford did make plays. 63% with 8.2 YPA. Everything doesn't need to be perfect but more needs to go right. Either less pressure or Calvin/Tate/Ebron/Moore get more open. The run game was fine but the 3rd and 3 run stuffed short was not. Bell poor YPC too.

The problem is you put words in my mouth. Everything does't need to be perfect. I never said that. More does need to go right in support of Stafford. Open receivers or pressure. Either one, I don't care which one. And it would be nice if he didn't have a messed up elbow from pressure either.

 

[LKP]

Stafford made the right check based on the defense he saw pre-snap on the first int. The Chargers had a good fake. Unblocked was not Stafford's fault

 

[mhughes0021]

When you go three and out, you dont get many pass or rush attempts.

Pressure was the problem and great coverage on Calvin and Tate. Pressure % was higher than last year.

Also Quin pick 6 takes away one drive.

Long Rivers drives chews up clock. (defensive issue not Lombardi)

We deserve Waddle and Warford and Levy back ASAP.

Everyone wants to point at the fact we ran a limited number of plays. When your dumbass qb throws back to back picks.....no shit you will have a limited number of plays.

 

[tomdalton22]

Pressure on 12 dropbacks of 31 and everyone is covered and you expect Stafford to make plays. That's insane!!! Stafford did a good job. He couldn't do his job the 8 incompletes(includes 2 picks) due to pressure for various reasons.

Stafford made 16 good completions with time and 3 completions under pressure.

Stafford did make plays. 63% with 8.2 YPA. Everything doesn't need to be perfect but more needs to go right. Either less pressure or Calvin/Tate/Ebron/Moore get more open. The run game was fine but the 3rd and 3 run stuffed short was not. Bell poor YPC too.

The problem is you put words in my mouth. Everything does't need to be perfect. I never said that. More does need to go right in support of Stafford. Open receivers or pressure. Either one, I don't care which one. And it would be nice if he didn't have a messed up elbow from pressure either.

Rivers and Stafford had almost the exact same percentage of drop backs under pressure. Rivers completed 35/42 passes. Stafford did not have a good game....he was joined by many other players...but he was not good!

 

[LKP]

Rivers wrs got open. Staffords didn't. The fact that nobody recognizes this boggles my mind

Also chargers cheated on the first pick of stafford. Defensive holding by their lineman

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2015/9/16/9335967/laken-tomlinsons-debut-better-than-being-reported

 

[tomdalton22]

Rivers wrs got open. Staffords didn't. The fact that nobody recognizes this boggles my mind


http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2015/9/16/9335967/laken-tomlinsons-debut-better-than-being-reported

then that is a talent or coaching problem. BTW...somebody had to be open...or they suck!

 

[brewer229]

It's because for someone to be open for Rivers the WR needs a half step on the defender for a second to be open. For someone to be open for Stafford he needs two step for three seconds. Game just moves to quick for Stafford.

 

[LKP]

It's because for someone to be open for Rivers the WR needs a half step on the defender for a second to be open. For someone to be open for Stafford he needs two step for three seconds. Game just moves to quick for Stafford.

Wrong

 

[LKP]

then that is a talent or coaching problem. BTW...somebody had to be open...or they suck!

Calvin and Tate clearly had more talent. It wasn't coaches. Talent has to win their matchups. They didn't.

 

[tomdalton22]

Calvin and Tate clearly had more talent. It wasn't coaches. Talent has towing heir matchups. They didn't.

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