Lions Trade Up Not Down

[boogerlovejoy]

When a player gets a concussion right before he's drafted, yet we draft him and has the same problems as a pro - that's on Mayhew. Titus apparently was mental in college and went mental in year 2 - that's on Mayhew. You take a chance at times and Mayhew did but both times it back fired. This thing about "well he was a good pick at the time" is BS.

Eventually 2nd round picks need to perform. Delmas is a good example. LeShoure is as well. You can't continue to use the unlucky label.

I wouldnt call it unlucky......but puting it all on mayhew isnt the right answer either.

Head injuries are risky, yes, but not everyone that has one has problems like Best. Look at Ernie Sims.......if you look up his college career he had five KNOWN concussions at FSU....yet hasn't had one problem with concussions in the NFL. Best was a risk that didn't pay off....but you can't deny the talent he was drafted for. Like someone said before, when on the field he was playing at a level ABOVE where he was drafted.....that also is on mayhew.

Titus blowing up is on Titus. Most of the guys coming out of college have an ego. Fuck, if ego was a reason to pass on someone Cam Newton would have gone undrafted. I doubt in the interview process he told Schwartz and Mayhew that he was goint to want to be THE focal point of the offense or he would go bat shit crazy.
Mayhew's problem with drafting Titus was more in the fact that he wasn't very good on the field. He played at a 4th or 5th round level. I blame Mayhew for that, not for TY acting like an idiot.

Look, you either like Mayhew or you don't.....I get it. Guys like LKP would let Mayhew rape his mom and make an excuse as to why it was his moms fault. Guys like Hughes and Cheeno would knock him for helping an old lady across the street. Point is, people look for reasons to point to their opinion.....pretty natural.

I guess I fall in the middle. That being said, I think this is it for Mayhew. A put up or shut up year. Eventually, you have to put guys on the field that help the team win. He has done that (2011) and he has failed at it (2012)......but this will be a very telling offseason for a lot of reasons.

1. With limited cap space......I am anxious to see what kind of FA he lands. Personally, I would like to see him sign Bush and Levitre. Would that take most of the FA dollars available. YES. But I would rather get a couple guys that can play at a high level for an extended time. I DON'T want him to sign 4 or 5 guys that are......eh.....then need to upgrade that position AGAIN in a year or two.

2. We will see what kind of drafter he has been. No matter what, we are going to go into 2013 with a couple of his later round draftees starting or playing significant roles. People like Whitehead, Greenwood, Ronell Lewis, Travis Lewis,Fox, Bentley and Green are all going to have to put up or shut up.

 

[tonyballs]

If teams balked all the time on guys that have had concussions in college, there would be no NFL.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If teams balked all the time on guys that have had concussions in college, there would be no NFL.

Maybe not but when it doesn't work out don't say its unlucky, or it was the right call at the time etc. When all said and done, I don't care if we made a good pick who became injury prone. Eventually we need to draft guys that stay here for awhile and not be gone in 3 seasons because of either injury or poor play in 3 years.

When all said and done, Mayhew's draft track record is poor. Regardless what the reason's are, its had bad results. Blame him, blame Schwartz, blame the scouts, blame them all whatever..

 

[Mitchrapp]

And booger, from what I read Titus college problems weren't because of an ego. But it doesn't even matter anymore..Draft some guys who can play for a few years outside the top 5.

 

[zyxt9]

Solid GMs also know how to properly manage the cap. Constantly restructuring to stay under the cap only prolongs the problems. The deals he has given up prevent the team from having comfortable cap numbers that allow the team to get quality players in FA.

The money paid compared to quality of the product would never be considered a smart business model. People forget the game is a team sport and get all hung up on the few stars the Lions have failing to comprehend how those contracts are crippling the team. The moment you have to restructure a contract is the moment you admit you screwed up the original contract by not properly considering the impact it would have in relation to the cap. CJ last year, Staff this year, Suh next year, then what? Well LKP would just have us restructure them again to continually scrape just under the cap with inferior talent at half the positions on the field, and I'm being generous with that.

This team is hurting for years to come due to this alone. Add in lack of production from draft picks and you get a GM who has no room for errors, and there are always errors made by every GM. Mayhew unfortunately does not know how to minimkze the number of errors he makes.

 

[LKP]

Just watch Broyles and you can see he was productive. When he played he was productive.

LeShoure started strong and then fizzled but the talent and power is there. Oline or scores of the game didn't exaclty help him all the time.

Delmas and Best are talented. There is no doubt about that. All 4 prove Mayhew can find talent not in the top 5 picks. Same with Fariley, Reiff, Pettigrew as well.

 

[LKP]

Quit complaining about the cap. It's the old CBA and Lewand is the cap guy. Blaming Mayhew for the restructures is ridiculous and kind of proves you complain aobut Mayhew just to complain. Suh and Stafford have huge numbers that are fixed with extensions just like Calvin. Stafford and Suh's numbers actually go down next year even with no extensions, nobody on the roster now has a huge jump in cap number in 2014(other than Burleson who will take another pay cut or be cut) and they will get 6.6 million in room after KVB/Young dead money are gone. They get 8 million from Hill/Pettigrew/Schefflers expired contracts in 2014 to re-sign those guys, plus the 6.6 million plus any savings from the Stafford/Suh extensions. Plus drafts every year under the new CBA which means cheap talented players influx every year that will be Lions for at least 4 years.

They did a great job with the cap considering how much the old CBA screwed the Lions. And now they aren't overpaying for Avril, Delmas and Houston which is smart. We'll see how much they spend on Bush.

 

[mhughes0021]

I wouldnt call it unlucky......but puting it all on mayhew isnt the right answer either.

Head injuries are risky, yes, but not everyone that has one has problems like Best. Look at Ernie Sims.......if you look up his college career he had five KNOWN concussions at FSU....yet hasn't had one problem with concussions in the NFL. Best was a risk that didn't pay off....but you can't deny the talent he was drafted for. Like someone said before, when on the field he was playing at a level ABOVE where he was drafted.....that also is on mayhew.

Titus blowing up is on Titus. Most of the guys coming out of college have an ego. Fuck, if ego was a reason to pass on someone Cam Newton would have gone undrafted. I doubt in the interview process he told Schwartz and Mayhew that he was goint to want to be THE focal point of the offense or he would go bat shit crazy.
Mayhew's problem with drafting Titus was more in the fact that he wasn't very good on the field. He played at a 4th or 5th round level. I blame Mayhew for that, not for TY acting like an idiot.

Look, you either like Mayhew or you don't.....I get it. Guys like LKP would let Mayhew rape his mom and make an excuse as to why it was his moms fault. Guys like Hughes and Cheeno would knock him for helping an old lady across the street. Point is, people look for reasons to point to their opinion.....pretty natural.

I guess I fall in the middle. That being said, I think this is it for Mayhew. A put up or shut up year. Eventually, you have to put guys on the field that help the team win. He has done that (2011) and he has failed at it (2012)......but this will be a very telling offseason for a lot of reasons.

1. With limited cap space......I am anxious to see what kind of FA he lands. Personally, I would like to see him sign Bush and Levitre. Would that take most of the FA dollars available. YES. But I would rather get a couple guys that can play at a high level for an extended time. I DON'T want him to sign 4 or 5 guys that are......eh.....then need to upgrade that position AGAIN in a year or two.

2. We will see what kind of drafter he has been. No matter what, we are going to go into 2013 with a couple of his later round draftees starting or playing significant roles. People like Whitehead, Greenwood, Ronell Lewis, Travis Lewis,Fox, Bentley and Green are all going to have to put up or shut up.

the walk sign wasn't lit...mayhew led the old lady to an instant death.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Quit complaining about the cap. It's the old CBA and Lewand is the cap guy. Blaming Mayhew for the restructures is ridiculous and kind of proves you complain aobut Mayhew just to complain. Suh and Stafford have huge numbers that are fixed with extensions just like Calvin. Stafford and Suh's numbers actually go down next year even with no extensions, nobody on the roster now has a huge jump in cap number in 2014(other than Burleson who will take another pay cut or be cut) and they will get 6.6 million in room after KVB/Young dead money are gone. They get 8 million from Hill/Pettigrew/Schefflers expired contracts in 2014 to re-sign those guys, plus the 6.6 million plus any savings from the Stafford/Suh extensions. Plus drafts every year under the new CBA which means cheap talented players influx every year that will be Lions for at least 4 years.

They did a great job with the cap considering how much the old CBA screwed the Lions. And now they aren't overpaying for Avril, Delmas and Houston which is smart. We'll see how much they spend on Bush.

Gotta agree with this. Blaming Mayhew for the cap is like blaming your new girlfriend for your old one being such a bitch.

Mayhew took over the worst team in NFL history, of course they are going to have to draft high. This team would NOT be in this cap situation under the new CBA.....which has nothing to do with Mayhew. He got stuck with a couple of cap crushing contracts (Suh and Stafford) and having to pay the best playmaker in the NFL (CJ) or face losing him. What would have been a better solution?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

the walk sign wasn't lit...mayhew led the old lady to an instant death.

Stick to your negativity.....

Humor certainly isn't your strong suit.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stick to your negativity.....

Humor certainly isn't your strong suit.

I know ill leave the hilarious talk to lkp.....like how carey, greenwood, greene, willie young and travis lewis are all going to step up and lead this defense.

 

[mhughes0021]

Quit complaining about the cap. It's the old CBA and Lewand is the cap guy. Blaming Mayhew for the restructures is ridiculous and kind of proves you complain aobut Mayhew just to complain. Suh and Stafford have huge numbers that are fixed with extensions just like Calvin. Stafford and Suh's numbers actually go down next year even with no extensions, nobody on the roster now has a huge jump in cap number in 2014(other than Burleson who will take another pay cut or be cut) and they will get 6.6 million in room after KVB/Young dead money are gone. They get 8 million from Hill/Pettigrew/Schefflers expired contracts in 2014 to re-sign those guys, plus the 6.6 million plus any savings from the Stafford/Suh extensions. Plus drafts every year under the new CBA which means cheap talented players influx every year that will be Lions for at least 4 years.

They did a great job with the cap considering how much the old CBA screwed the Lions. And now they aren't overpaying for Avril, Delmas and Houston which is smart. We'll see how much they spend on Bush.

they don't have a choice to overpay for those guys.....they have no cap room.

 

[LKP]

They have 6 million in room and a way to get 7.9 million more. They have the cap room to pay those guys the proper amount. Why overpay if you don't have too.

The cap room they have right now is not set in stone. I don't know why nobody ever understands that.

 

[LKP]

I know ill leave the hilarious talk to lkp.....like how carey, greenwood, greene, willie young and travis lewis are all going to step up and lead this defense.

Some could step up along some draft picks. In your eyes none will step up and the draft will suck. You're the delusional one.

And these guys don't have to be all world players, just solid players. Suh, Fariley, Tulloch, the top 5 pick are the playmakers and Housotn/Delmas when we get them back.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just watch Broyles and you can see he was productive. When he played he was productive.

LeShoure started strong and then fizzled but the talent and power is there. Oline or scores of the game didn't exaclty help him all the time.

Delmas and Best are talented. There is no doubt about that. All 4 prove Mayhew can find talent not in the top 5 picks. Same with Fariley, Reiff, Pettigrew as well.

You just hit on it "when he plays".

And now you're throwing guys like Reiff in there. Granted I hope he's good but the dude was basically a FB last season. Best is Bust. B.U.S.T, bust. Who cares about talent, get guys that stay healthy. And LeShoure has been here 2 season and missed 1 complete year. Way, way too early on him.

 

[LKP]

When he plays is not Mayhew's fault other than bad luck when they ALL get hurt.

Best was a short term talented help for this team. Long term it didn't pay off but short term it sure did. Instant impact.

You can't just disregard that Mayhew found talent. Talent is talent and long term that is a good thing unless you get unlucky with injuries.

 

[Mitchrapp]

When he plays is not Mayhew's fault other than bad luck when they ALL get hurt.

Best was a short term talented help for this team. Long term it didn't pay off but short term it sure did. Instant impact.

You can't just disregard that Mayhew found talent. Talent is talent and long term that is a good thing unless you get unlucky with injuries.

So its not Mayhew's fault that he drafted a WR that was hurt when we drafted him?

 

[Diggler Cometh]

How many times must we repeat these arguments?

 

[LKP]

So its not Mayhew's fault that he drafted a WR that was hurt when we drafted him?

What knee did Broyles hurt?

 

[LKP]

How many times must we repeat these arguments?

Until they learn it's not Mayhew's fault or they see with their own eyes in 2013.

I like Fairley and Reiff and Broyles and Bentley and LeShoure. Young went crazy, sometimes you take the gamble a young guy can grow up, he didn't so we move on with another speed WR coming up from FA or the draft.