Lions Trade Up Not Down

[LKP]

And longer deals help the cap because it spreads out bonuses over 5 years at least. Giving KVB and Burleson deals in 2010 isn't the problem. Its the old CBA giving Stafford and Suh monster numbers. The Lions had to keep the band together in 2012 with Tulloch, Avril, Backus and Hill and 2011 they needed money for Houston back, Wright, Durant and Tulloch so they restrucutred. Nothing bad came from the restructures as KVB and Peterman were the only ones cut. Avril walks like you guys wanted and the Lions are going to have some money to make some moves this free agency.

Next year they are actually in pretty good shape looking at it. 30 million in space(including this years 2013 draft class accounted for) less any LTBE, Levy's 2013/2014 number and any other free agents 2013/2014 cap numbers. Lions are going to have some money in 2014 but 29 open roster spots. Pettigrew, Scheffler, Hill are the big free agents and I really care about just Pettigrew and Hill back.

 

[tonyballs]

And longer deals help the cap because it spreads out bonuses over 5 years at least. Giving KVB and Burleson deals in 2010 isn't the problem. Its the old CBA giving Stafford and Suh monster numbers. The Lions had to keep the band together in 2012 with Tulloch, Avril, Backus and Hill and 2011 they needed money for Houston back, Wright, Durant and Tulloch so they restrucutred. Nothing bad came from the restructures as KVB and Peterman were the only ones cut. Avril walks like you guys wanted and the Lions are going to have some money to make some moves this free agency.

Next year they are actually in pretty good shape looking at it. 30 million in space(including this years 2013 draft class accounted for) less any LTBE, Levy's 2014 number and any other free agents 2014 cap number. Lions are going to have some money in 2014 but 29 open roster spots.

You can't explain that to these dummies, bro. Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel is cosidered blasphemy on this board. You didn't know that?

 

[LKP]

You can't explain that to these dummies, bro. Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel is cosidered blasphemy on this board. You didn't know that?

That space doesn't even include a Stafford or Suh extension which actually saves money either in 2014. I still have Stafford and Suh on huge numbers.

Yeah they don't think long term. Which is why they hate the Reiff and Broyles picks. They give up on rookies after one year. Even a guy like Fox and Willie Young you don't give up on them. Stafford, Pettigrew,Suh,Tullohc, Levy,Fox,Young,Fairley and LeShoure and the 2012/2013 draft classes are going to be pretty important going forward for this franchise. Plus any free agent we sign long term this offseason.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

if you don't think mayhew has anything to do with length of contracts you are all bigger idiots than I thought. lengthy veteran contracts has just as much to do with our cap woes as the old cba. 31 other teams worked under the old cba too....they don't have 7 holes on defense with 6 mil in cap space.

30 other teams didn't have to draft #1 and #2 OVERALL in back to back years. Cap crushing moves under the old CBA. Neither of which Mayhew had ANYTHING to do with.....nor did he really have any say in the length and size of those contracts given.

I say 30 because of the Rams....who drafted #2, #2, and #1 in back to back to back years. They have limited cap space and have long since cut Jason Smith....who was a COMPLETE bust.....Ryan Leaf style. If they hadn't cut Smith during the uncapped year.....they would be in WORSE shape than we are....and the Lions have significantly more talent than St. Louis does right now.

Point is, blaming Mayhew for ALL of the cap problems is wrong. Not an opinion.....just a fact. He is to blame for KVB and Nate B's cap numbers....but he fucking STOLE Chris Houston and got 40 sacks in 5 years for about $15 TOTAL out of Avril.....which is pretty good. Now, instead of having him long term like you have repeatedly stated he should have done after 2010....we can get rid of that guy and get better. Pretty good moves, I'd say.

 

[mhughes0021]

30 other teams didn't have to draft #1 and #2 OVERALL in back to back years. Cap crushing moves under the old CBA. Neither of which Mayhew had ANYTHING to do with.....nor did he really have any say in the length and size of those contracts given.

I say 30 because of the Rams....who drafted #2, #2, and #1 in back to back to back years. They have limited cap space and have long since cut Jason Smith....who was a COMPLETE bust.....Ryan Leaf style. If they hadn't cut Smith during the uncapped year.....they would be in WORSE shape than we are....and the Lions have significantly more talent than St. Louis does right now.

Point is, blaming Mayhew for ALL of the cap problems is wrong. Not an opinion.....just a fact. He is to blame for KVB and Nate B's cap numbers....but he fucking STOLE Chris Houston and got 40 sacks in 5 years for about $15 TOTAL out of Avril.....which is pretty good. Now, instead of having him long term like you have repeatedly stated he should have done after 2010....we can get rid of that guy and get better. Pretty good moves, I'd say.

don't twist it....I said long term for cheap. I also said he hasn't belonged here the last 3 years....he wasn't a fit. but if it was cheap....sure why now. Ronnel lewis is the only DE on the roster until a couple hours ago. But that's not mayhews fault either....right?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stop the name calling, please.

 

[LKP]

don't twist it....I said long term for cheap. I also said he hasn't belonged here the last 3 years....he wasn't a fit. but if it was cheap....sure why now. Ronnel lewis is the only DE on the roster until a couple hours ago. But that's not mayhews fault either....right?

DE isn't finsihed yet. Lewis, Young, could get Hayes or Jones or Jackson back and a top 5 draft pick.

Who do the Falcons have at DE. Abraham was cut, they cut Ray Edwards in season, Sidbury is a free agent. Alot of teams are unfinished right now.

 

[Mitchrapp]

DE isn't finsihed yet. Lewis, Young, could get Hayes or Jones or Jackson back and a top 5 draft pick.

Who do the Falcons have at DE. Abraham was cut, they cut Ray Edwards in season, Sidbury is a free agent. Alot of teams are unfinished right now.

I'm more worried about the cap. I haven't heard anything about Staff, restructuring Suh would be a mistake. So how do we fill all that with 6+m?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

DE isn't finsihed yet. Lewis, Young, could get Hayes or Jones or Jackson back and a top 5 draft pick.

Who do the Falcons have at DE. Abraham was cut, they cut Ray Edwards in season, Sidbury is a free agent. Alot of teams are unfinished right now.

You're wasting your breath.....some people just don't get how it works.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'm more worried about the cap. I haven't heard anything about Staff, restructuring Suh would be a mistake. So how do we fill all that with 6+m?

I have to imagine that there is more there than meets the eye. I can't imagine they would go into this knowing they only have 6+M.

My guess is we will hear of some restructures and cuts very soon.

Just my thoughts though.

 

[mhughes0021]

You're wasting your breath.....some people just don't get how it works.

you want 5-6 rookies to come in and contribute with mayhews draft record?...we haven't had 6 rookies contribute in his entire tenure. trust me I get it....youre in la la land.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

you want 5-6 rookies to come in and contribute with mayhews draft record?...we haven't had 6 rookies contribute in his entire tenure. trust me I get it....youre in la la land.

You're on to a subject that I never brought up.

Good for you!!!

 

[Slick]

Stafford will ore likely be a whole new deal not a restructure... No ? it's season 5 for him on tht 6 year deal....teams rarely let their franchise QBs play out year 5 of those deals let alone the 6th year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know some of you question "hughes and Cheeno mostly with "they don't have a clue" but the fact remains, Mayhew doesn't draft well after round 1 - not guys you can count on right away.

 

[LKP]

I'm more worried about the cap. I haven't heard anything about Staff, restructuring Suh would be a mistake. So how do we fill all that with 6+m?

Don't worry about the cap. Lewand has this and the Lions will have a nice chunk of space in 2014 to deal with any restructures right now.

Nobody has big jumps in the 2014 cap right now except Burleson who is probably cut or takes another pay cut. Suh and Stafford at this point their number goes down by a combined 2.1 million.

 

[LKP]

I know some of you question "hughes and Cheeno mostly with "they don't have a clue" but the fact remains, Mayhew doesn't draft well after round 1 - not guys you can count on right away.

FA and the draft. Plus discounting Bentley,Palmer/Lewis/Whitehead and Carey as non starters is kind of dumb. They are young have talent and can develop. I've seen Palmer and Carey fill in well as starters. Bentley was up and down battling injury. Green actually did a solid job. Bartell did a great job the one game he played covering Brandon Marshall. Some holes will be filled internally. You might not like it, they all might not work out but if 1 or 2 of them does, at least solid, the Lions are a better team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

FA and the draft. Plus discounting Bentley,Palmer/Lewis/Whitehead and Carey as non starters is kind of dumb. They are young have talent and can develop. I've seen Palmer and Carey fill in well as starters. Bentley was up and down battling injury. Green actually did a solid job. Bartell did a great job the one game he played covering Brandon Marshall. Some holes will be filled internally. You might not like it, they all might not work out but if 1 or 2 of them does, at least solid, the Lions are a better team.

Who played for us last season from the draft? Very little, the Detroit Lions are not good drafters.

 

[LKP]

Who played for us last season from the draft? Very little, the Detroit Lions are not good drafters.

Reiff and Broyles could have and Bentley too if not for injuries. Reiff played 336 snaps. 2012 could be a very good draft. Injury not talent is the only thing derailing alot of snaps for the recent rookies. Fairley and LeShoure would have played a ton as rookies if not for injuries. Titus Young did play a ton and had a solid rookie year.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Who played for us last season from the draft? Very little, the Detroit Lions are not good drafters.

Why give a draft ONE year to produce? Not a smart way to look at things. If it remains the same in a year or two....i would certainly agree. But one year?

Sorry, cant agree with you on that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why give a draft ONE year to produce? Not a smart way to look at things. If it remains the same in a year or two....i would certainly agree. But one year?

Sorry, cant agree with you on that.

That's not what I meant. If you want to get back to the playoffs they need to produce, short term. You okay with them winning 5 games? I'm not.