Lions Trade Up Not Down

[Mitchrapp]

What knee did Broyles hurt?

Just because it was a different side doesn't mean he's not injury prone. And when it happens with player after player, its not unlucky anymore - its bad drafting.

 

[LKP]

No it's just really really unlucky. The talent is there.

Injuries can happen to anyone. I don't believe in injury prone. Especially now that I see what Stafford has done the last 2 years

Blaming our GM because players get hurt on the field is dumb.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Then why do other teams win games with injuries or are the Lions just the unluckiest ever? Aren't you tired of that excuse?

What about Millen, he drafted C. Rodgers and M. Williams. Does he get an excuse because at the time they were suppose to be good?

 

[LKP]

It wasn't all injuries but they really didn't help. I don't know too many teams who lost both safeties, starting RB, 3 DTS, 3 CBs. Some teams can overcome. Green Bay has Rodgers to maske any deficiency they had. Stafford isn't Rodgers, in 2011 though he sure played close to him and helped mask some injury deficiences (going 3-1 in the last quarter of season) plus 3 major comebacks against Vikings, Cowboys and Panthers.

Like I said DE unexpected sucking after 2 good years playing in the NFL(2010/2011 Young, Jackson and Avril were much better and KVB was a savvy vet) is different than a good player in college who always sucks in the NFL like Williams and Rogers. Some players are talented but just underperformed in 2012. Stafford being one of them which is the easiest way to right the ship quickly through him.

The turnovers can be fixed. Calvin 3 fumbles lost, Bell 2, LeShoure 3, Logan 2-3, Pettigrew 2 can be righted. And Stafford can limit it to 10-12 ints IMO.

This team is not a lost cause. The talent is there. And you know if Delmas/Best/Broyles were healthy and Stafford/Avril/Tulloch/Pettigrew didn't unexpectedly underachieve this team would have been much better.
But they did in 2012 so we had to deal with 4-12. But just because they did in 2012 doesn't mean they will in 2013. Could be 2011 play, could be somewhere in the middle plus other help from FA/draft.


Still can right the ship with some health and Stafford/Tulloch/Pettigrew playing like they have in the past plus better ball protection.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just another excuse.

 

[LKP]

30 TDs 14 ints from Stafford and the Lions win alot more games. 12 fumbles lost instead of 16 and the Lions win alot more games. Having only 5 turnover/tDs of death from the offense/special teams instead of 10 and the Lions win alot more games. Having more than 0 defensive/special team TDs forced by the Lions and the Lions win alot more games (give me 3-4)

 

[LKP]

Just another excuse.

Unexpected bad DE play

Stafford regression in the redzone mainly. They moved the ball fairly well

Turnovers

Injuries

That sums up 2012 but does not define 2013.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yeah okay. You win, out of pure boredom.

 

[LKP]

It's like you didn't watch the games there buddy. Turnovers were the biggest killer of all. You know DE play was bad and we clearly didn't finish as well in the redzone but moved the ball with 5,000 yards passing.

 

[mhughes0021]

its not easy to argue with someone full of hypotheticals. Last month he said we were getting delmas, Houston, Durant all back and wed be fine. Now were starting carey, Bentley, green, levy and they will all be all pros. the reality is we have 1 DE on the roster, no starting olb worth a darn, no cbs worth a darn, no safties worth a darn and Stafford hasn't restructured yet. That's the current state of the Detroit lions. If something changes for the better than yay mayhew decided to get off his butt....but im not holding my breath with 6 mil in cap space.

 

[zyxt9]

One last year, that's all Mayhew gets LKP. For the Lions sake I hope it all works out. I personally don't give a fuck who the GM is as long as he puts a playoff team on the field. How deep a team goes in the playoffs will be an argument at a later time, but for now all I want is a team that makes the playoffs, regardless of whether it is your version of the team or another makes no difference to me.

I wouldn't even care if a GM came in and blew the whole thing up, trading or releasing even the likes of CJ, Stafford, and Suh, and everyone else on the team as long as the team they put on the field wins. That is all I care about, winning. It's been too fucking long and 2011 seems more like a fluke than a promise.

That's right, I have only minimal loyalty to any player. I love that CJ is able to do what he does for the Lions, but if I had to trade him in order to win a Super Bowl, he'd be on the first flight out. I don't give a fuck what anyone says otherwise, in the end getting a ring is the only thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have CJ on the team that wins it all because he deserves it for sticking it out with this sorry ass organization, but that contract hurts more than helps in getting that ring. Same goes for Stafford and Suh. Those contracts are killing this team, and I fear the Lions don't stand much of a chance until they are somehow overcome and money can be used to fill the multitude of holes across both the offense and the defense.

 

[cheeno]

Yeah okay. You win, out of pure boredom.

Lol. This is usually the conclusion I come to.

 

[tonyballs]

How many times must we repeat these arguments?

It's fn ridiculous, bro...wow

 

[tonyballs]

Gotta agree with this. Blaming Mayhew for the cap is like blaming your new girlfriend for your old one being such a bitch.

Mayhew took over the worst team in NFL history, of course they are going to have to draft high. This team would NOT be in this cap situation under the new CBA.....which has nothing to do with Mayhew. He got stuck with a couple of cap crushing contracts (Suh and Stafford) and having to pay the best playmaker in the NFL (CJ) or face losing him. What would have been a better solution?

Shows the stupidity level 100-fold, doesn't it? Blaming Mayhew for the money problems, seriously? When Lewand is our money guy...lol.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't blame him for the money. Just not too good draft classes.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's fn ridiculous, bro...wow

cause sayin "its fn ridiculous, bro....wow" 10000 times is way better. atleast im crying about the football team and im usually right or stating factual evidence. you just cry about me all the time....get a life.

 

[mhughes0021]

Shows the stupidity level 100-fold, doesn't it? Blaming Mayhew for the money problems, seriously? When Lewand is our money guy...lol.

if you don't think mayhew has anything to do with length of contracts you are all bigger idiots than I thought. lengthy veteran contracts has just as much to do with our cap woes as the old cba. 31 other teams worked under the old cba too....they don't have 7 holes on defense with 6 mil in cap space.

 

[zyxt9]

No matter how much these guys want to try shifting blame or make excuses, it is comforting to know Mayhew was explained quite explicitly that if he doesn't get back to playoff level this year then he is out. If someone didn't get that impression when he spoke about his end of year meeting, then that is their problem. Mayhew knows, and the Lions know.

One might not agree with the Lions position, but they hold the power and they have made their decision, so l the excuse making is not going to matter. Only results matter at this point, as it should be after what will be five years.

 

[tonyballs]

cause sayin "its fn ridiculous, bro....wow" 10000 times is way better. atleast im crying about the football team and im usually right or stating factual evidence. you just cry about me all the time....get a life.

You're not usually right though, you fn retard. That's your problem right there.

Get a life? Seriously gimp, you live on this board.Lol

Or you could keep regurgatating how slow Leshoure is. Or make fun of the Broyles pick. Or complain about Suh. Or or or or maybe bash the Whitehead pick a "1000x over", right? Because we all know we haven't heard it from ya in the last 10 minutes...lol.

 

[tonyballs]

if you don't think mayhew has anything to do with length of contracts you are all bigger idiots than I thought. lengthy veteran contracts has just as much to do with our cap woes as the old cba. 31 other teams worked under the old cba too....they don't have 7 holes on defense with 6 mil in cap space.

Mayhew doesnt handle the money deals. Lewand does.

You'll get it one day but probably not, you fn dumbass.