Martin Prado

[pr0tege]

With the recent surge of 2B signings over the last week the Tigers now look to acquire Prado via trade to fill void at 2B and leadoff.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/tigers-interested-in-martin-prado.html

 

[zoombabyzoom]

I like it, the kid hits for a high average and I believe would be a upgrade defensively.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Works for me. I'd prefer a faster more defensive LF than DY anyhow, so get it done.

 

[pr0tege]

Yeah IF this led to Detroit signing Coco Crisp to play left field as it has been stated then the 9 through 2 slots should be a huge upgrade for us.

9. Jackson
1. Crisp
2. Prado

 

[tomdalton22]

It doesn't excite me too much if they have to get rid of DY. I would rather give up a prospect and keep DY unless they can find a better LF to replace DY.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Yeah IF this led to Detroit signing Coco Crisp to play left field as it has been stated then the 9 through 2 slots should be a huge upgrade for us.

9. Jackson
1. Crisp
2. Prado

That'd be awesome. Crisp would be perfect for us and would drastically improve team speed.

 

[austindayeisaboss]

this would be amazing then sign brandon phillips let him play 2b and prado 3b

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

Prado (28) 73.61 RC/650 .268 BAVG .323 OBP .406 SLG .729 OPS 14.12 PA/BB 37.75 PA/GIDP

Crisp (32) 69.91 RC/650 .254 BAVG .302 OBP .367 SLG .669 OPS 15.61 PA/BB 46.92 PA/GIDP


Career Away

Prado (28) 77.81 RC/650 .279 BAVG .333 OBP .412 SLG .745 OPS 14.04 PA/BB 39.18 PA/GIDP

Crisp (32) 78.66 RC/650 .271 BAVG .321 OBP .398 SLG .720 OPS 14.65 PA/BB 68.09 PA/GIDP


VERSUS

Last 3 years Away

D. Young (26) 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS 24.97 PA/BB 25.10 PA/GIDP

Santiago (32) 57.18 RC/650 .250 BAVG .305 OBP .316 SLG .621 OPS 17.23 PA/BB 57.56 PA/GIDP


Career Away

D. Young (26) 77.48 RC/650 .291 BAVG .327 OBP .427 SLG .754 OPS 25.53 PA/BB 27.13 PA/GIDP

Santiago (32) 58.22 RC/650 .245 BAVG .308 OBP .312 SLG .620 OPS 15.68 PA/BB 83.31 PA/GIDP


As much as I do not want having Young, to a certain extent, Prado is not much of an upgrade offensively. Yet, Santiago is not a starter caliber player. Nor is Crisp. His days are long gone and he isn't any better than Jackson as a leadoff hitter.


Prado fills a position of need. Not my first choice, but he still is viable.


Crisp fills no need what so ever.

 

[jimrice]

Do not understand the desire for Crisp at all. His OBP was not better than Jackson's last year. And wanting him to play left field is positively mindboggling.

 

[pr0tege]

The addition of Prado/Crisp does more then just fill the 2B hole we have with a viable bat. It would greatly increase our OF and 2B defense over last year as well as allow us to move Jackson to the bottom of the lineup where he should be playing right now thus increasing the top of our lineup which are the table setters for Miggy. It also adds speed in Crisp (49 steals last year) to the top of the lineup with the ability to steal a base which is something we clearly are lacking right now.

As well this would set us up to hit Boesch in the 3 hole instead of the 2 slot he was in for most of the year last year which would for sure give him more RBI opportunities to drive in runs then he was allowed last year in the 2 hole. You put Boesch as well hitting with the protection of Miggy hitting behind him and you could probably look for a very productive year if he could stay healthy.

Another added dimension would be that Crisp would be relatively cheap and Prado is set to make around 4.3 million next year so these moves would still allow us to maybe make another significant move with payroll flexibility either this offseason or at the deadline.

Something as well you have to include in your assessment though is when factoring overall team defense as this move would for sure increase that.

 

[Thumb]

It doesn't excite me too much if they have to get rid of DY. I would rather give up a prospect and keep DY unless they can find a better LF to replace DY.

Almost any LF'er would be better than Young.

Any deal where we get rid of DY excites me, even if we get a bag of balls and a used rosin bag in return.

 

[stonecold2136]

The Braves are gonna try to ask for Boesch I hope this does not happen.

 

[kalinecountry]

I don't like trading with the braves based on past deals...
DD should say no to the first 3 or 4 pitchers they ask for in order.
At this point in time, not so sure crisp is that much of an improvement, even over Young, (defensively ok, and I am not on the DY bandwagon).

 

[pr0tege]

Yeah it wouldn't have to by Crisp in LF I was just using him as an example that was mentioned in the article. I was just making reference to the fact that IF we were to include Young in the trade with Atlanta it would create several options for the Tigers as it would be easier to add a OF then trying to find a reliable 2B right now with the current FA's available.

For instance most people view Yoenis Cespedes as a MLB type corner Outfielder instead of CF. Andre Ethier is a possible trade target that would give the Tigers a solid 2 or 3 hole type hitter and a gold glove defensive RF'er. There are several options out there for a corner OF either via trade or FA and unfortunately the options are getting slim to none with options to fill the hole we currently have at 2B.

 

[jimrice]

The addition of Prado/Crisp does more then just fill the 2B hole we have with a viable bat. It would greatly increase our OF and 2B defense over last year as well as allow us to move Jackson to the bottom of the lineup where he should be playing right now thus increasing the top of our lineup which are the table setters for Miggy. It also adds speed in Crisp (49 steals last year) to the top of the lineup with the ability to steal a base which is something we clearly are lacking right now.

As well this would set us up to hit Boesch in the 3 hole instead of the 2 slot he was in for most of the year last year which would for sure give him more RBI opportunities to drive in runs then he was allowed last year in the 2 hole. You put Boesch as well hitting with the protection of Miggy hitting behind him and you could probably look for a very productive year if he could stay healthy.

Another added dimension would be that Crisp would be relatively cheap and Prado is set to make around 4.3 million next year so these moves would still allow us to maybe make another significant move with payroll flexibility either this offseason or at the deadline.

Something as well you have to include in your assessment though is when factoring overall team defense as this move would for sure increase that.

Having Crisp at the top of the order is the same as Jackson. I'd like to see an actual offensive improvement. And an average hitting centerfielder is something to live with, but a weak hitting left fielder is awful. I agree that Crisp is fast, too bad you can't steal first, and his defense would be an improvement. However, adding another minus bat to a line up that may include Jackson, Inge and Santiago would be very bad.

 

[buddyboy2121]

The reason the Braves would want just Delmon in this trade is because they have little power from the right side and need a corner outfielder, and they believe Delmon can be that guy.

Saw this posted on another board:

Tigers acquire Martin Prado and Michael Bourn

Braves acquire Delmon Young, Austin Jackson, Danny Worth, and Andy Oliver

This is why it would work, the Delmon part i already explained, Ajax gives them speed in the outfield, lowers payroll, and a right handed bat that Lloyd cannot solve but the Braves batting coach can. Danny Worth gives them a utility guy that can play 3B, SS, and 2B with a glove much better than Brooks Conrad and has a average bat that could give chipper a few off days, while being an improvement over Alex Gonzalez. Andy Oliver gives them a project that could be a valuable Bullpen arm if he can get his consistency down.

I don't know if the Braves would do it but i wouldn't be surprised if it happened

 

[spockmaster]

The reason the Braves would want just Delmon in this trade is because they have little power from the right side and need a corner outfielder, and they believe Delmon can be that guy.

Saw this posted on another board:

Tigers acquire Martin Prado and Michael Bourn

Braves acquire Delmon Young, Austin Jackson, Danny Worth, and Andy Oliver

This is why it would work, the Delmon part i already explained, Ajax gives them speed in the outfield, lowers payroll, and a right handed bat that Lloyd cannot solve but the Braves batting coach can. Danny Worth gives them a utility guy that can play 3B, SS, and 2B with a glove much better than Brooks Conrad and has a average bat that could give chipper a few off days, while being an improvement over Alex Gonzalez. Andy Oliver gives them a project that could be a valuable Bullpen arm if he can get his consistency down.

I don't know if the Braves would do it but i wouldn't be surprised if it happened

I would totally do that trade.

 

[buddyboy2121]

The reason the Braves would want just Delmon in this trade is because they have little power from the right side and need a corner outfielder, and they believe Delmon can be that guy.

Saw this posted on another board:

Tigers acquire Martin Prado and Michael Bourn

Braves acquire Delmon Young, Austin Jackson, Danny Worth, and Andy Oliver

This is why it would work, the Delmon part i already explained, Ajax gives them speed in the outfield, lowers payroll, and a right handed bat that Lloyd cannot solve but the Braves batting coach can. Danny Worth gives them a utility guy that can play 3B, SS, and 2B with a glove much better than Brooks Conrad and has a average bat that could give chipper a few off days, while being an improvement over Alex Gonzalez. Andy Oliver gives them a project that could be a valuable Bullpen arm if he can get his consistency down.

I don't know if the Braves would do it but i wouldn't be surprised if it happened

I would totally do that trade.

for some reason i think the braves would too, they get younger, cut payroll, and add defense in the form of Ajax

 

[stonecold2136]

I wouldnt trade ajax

 

[Thumb]

I wouldnt trade ajax

And why not?

For all the hype about his defense, he's still hurting us more than helping us.

For the right return, I'd trade him without thinking twice about it.