Mayhew and Lewand Fired - Mayhew signs with Giants

[cheeno]

Problem #1: You won't get two ones for Stafford. A one and a three is most likely.

Problem #2: Given the bust rate of QBs in the NFL, it's unlikely you will even get someone of Stafford's talent level with the one. Not that Stafford has been shit hot, but you aren't likely to even hit that high with a pick.

Problem #3: The Lion's don't have a great history of "hitting their mark", and I'm not entirely sure I trust the current ownership to find a better GM who will.

Solution #1: You put it out on the wire that the price is 2 firsts. RG3 cost 2 firsts. My guess is someone will bite. If not you hang up the phone. No harm no foul.

Solution #2 (In your mind): Never draft a QB again. Since they could possibly be worse than the Matt Stafford. From an individual standpoint Tannehill, Dalton, Bortles and Carr beg to differ.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?statisticCategory=PASSING

From a team standpoint the whole league begs to differ including Teddy Bridgewater and the division leading Vikings.

Solution 3#: Have no input into the hire. Hire consultants, let the NFL help if they offer. Don't listen to Billy Boy who thinks the announcer must know what he is talking about. I think Martha has already got that wrapped up.

 

[inkfreq]

Solution #1: You put it out on the wire that the price is 2 firsts. RG3 cost 2 firsts. My guess is someone will bite. If not you hang up the phone. No harm no foul.

Solution #2 (In your mind): Never draft a QB again. Since they could possibly be worse than the Matt Stafford. From an individual standpoint Tannehill, Dalton, Bortles and Carr beg to differ.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?statisticCategory=PASSING

From a team standpoint the whole league begs to differ including Teddy Bridgewater and the division leading Vikings.

Solution 3#: Have no input into the hire. Hire consultants, let the NFL help if they offer. Don't listen to Billy Boy who thinks the announcer must know what he is talking about. I think Martha has already got that wrapped up.

I'm not saying don't ever draft a QB again, but don't draft one early. Too much to risk on those high picks.

However, I will also add, I am in favor of never drafting a QB again. Sign them in free agency, and use those picks on defense.

Plenty of serviceable WRs, QBs, and RBs out there to never have to draft them again.

 

[cheeno]

I'm not saying don't ever draft a QB again, but don't draft one early. Too much to risk on those high picks.

However, I will also add, I am in favor of never drafting a QB again. Sign them in free agency, and use those picks on defense.

Plenty of serviceable WRs, QBs, and RBs out there to never have to draft them again.

It's that exact type of thinking that may set Stafford's value at two 1s. Hell if Martin Mayhew can get a 1st and a third for Roy Williams I am confident we could get more for Staff. Ink you and I are on the same train. Defense wins championships. The quickest way to get there is to amass as much cap and picks that we can and pray that the next guy doesn't muck it all up. Ahh who am I kidding.

 

[inkfreq]

It's that exact type of thinking that may set Stafford's value at two 1s. Hell if Martin Mayhew can get a 1st and a third for Roy Williams I am confident we could get more for Staff. Ink you and I are on the same train. Defense wins championships. The quickest way to get there is to amass as much cap and picks that we can and pray that the next guy doesn't muck it all up. Ahh who am I kidding.

I think we're absolutely on the same page. I don't think we get two firsts for him, but if we do... go get me a couple of top not defensive lineman or a DT and a shutdown CB, and I'm a happy guy.

I just have my doubts that an incoming GM moves him at all. The reason there is a market for him is because unlike the fans, football people still think he can be a top QB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

QB's in free agency is how you land guys like Dan O. and Drew Stanton and Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassell. You need to draft them eventually and with the rookie cap as it is now, keep on drafting them until you succeed in getting a decent one.

 

[inkfreq]

QB's in free agency is how you land guys like Dan O. and Drew Stanton and Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassell. You need to draft them eventually and with the rookie cap as it is now, keep on drafting them until you succeed in getting a decent one.

I agree that you get exactly those guys in free agency. You also get Ryan Fitzpatrick. And I content that with a lights out defense and a great running game, Fitz can win you a SuperBowl.

When you only have to score 1 TD and kick two FGs, any QB in the league is good enough.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I agree that you get exactly those guys in free agency. You also get Ryan Fitzpatrick. And I content that with a lights out defense and a great running game, Fitz can win you a SuperBowl.

When you only have to score 1 TD and kick two FGs, any QB in the league is good enough.

You're going to need more than 13 points. We even gave up more per game last year with a good defense. I agree a Ryan Fitzpatrick can win games with the right team. Than why don't we have him? We got Dan O. instead.

 

[brewer229]

I'm not saying don't ever draft a QB again, but don't draft one early. Too much to risk on those high picks.

However, I will also add, I am in favor of never drafting a QB again. Sign them in free agency, and use those picks on defense.

Plenty of serviceable WRs, QBs, and RBs out there to never have to draft them again.

Having a great QB is the easiest way to be good in the NFL. You are not going to find a great QB on the scrapheap. Pull the best talents you can find and make them compete for the job. I would be fine with using a 1st and 2nd rounder on a QB. Get a competition going.

You can look at draft history and see bust at every position taken high in the draft. Being a non-QB does not make you bust free.

We've drafted OTs x2, TE x2, DT x2, RB, QB, WR, LB, G, DE in the 1st round over the past 10 years. The only great talent we managed was from the WR and DT. Possibly a DE if Ziggy continues to perform. That is a large amount of failure across many positions.

 

[kdp1980]

Ford hires outside search firm to fill GM/President positions

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ss...oit_lions_hire_outs.html#incart_most-comments

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ford hires outside search firm to fill GM/President positions

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ss...oit_lions_hire_outs.html#incart_most-comments

I find it funny that Tony Dungy is part of that search committee. Lol.

 

[inkfreq]

I find it funny that Tony Dungy is part of that search committee. Lol.

Dungy isn't part of the search team. He's part of the Career Development Advisory Panel, along with guys like Ernie Accorsi, Bill Polian, and Ron Wolf.

They meet every week during the season, and discuss up and coming GMs and execs. During the combine they do videotaped interviews of top candidates, and they do extensive background checks as well.

The idea behind the Career Development Advisory Panel is that when team's need a GM, owner's don't always know who is a good football guy from a bad, so all of this can be requested by any team owner to go through, watch the interviews, etc... and give them a jump start on finding the best and the brightest the NFL has to offer.

Obviously, the more teams succeed and put a good product on the field, the more money the NFL makes, so they have invested in helping teams identify quality personnel.

The Lions would be very smart to request those packets for this season and last and hand those over to their headhunting firm to begin the search.

 

[Mitchrapp]

But the club does have plenty of resources at its disposal, including the NFL-run Career Development Advisory Panel, which determines the league's best up-and-coming candidates. The panel is an assemblage o former coaches and decision-makers, including Ernie Accorsi, Bill Polian, Charlie Casserly, John Madden, Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, Ron Wolf, Carl Peterson and newcomers Mike Holmgren and James "Shack" Harris.

I agree it's good to use and maybe search committ wasn't the right term but he is part of the Committee that is at Martha's disposal. I find it funny because he recommended Caldwell. That's all.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'd be curious to find out the success of recommended GM's from this committee.

 

[inkfreq]

But the club does have plenty of resources at its disposal, including the NFL-run Career Development Advisory Panel, which determines the league's best up-and-coming candidates. The panel is an assemblage o former coaches and decision-makers, including Ernie Accorsi, Bill Polian, Charlie Casserly, John Madden, Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, Ron Wolf, Carl Peterson and newcomers Mike Holmgren and James "Shack" Harris.

I agree it's good to use and maybe search committ wasn't the right term but he is part of the Committee that is at Martha's disposal. I find it funny because he recommended Caldwell. That's all.

Right, I just meant he wasn't part of the Lions headhunting team. He's part of the NFL committee.

 

[inkfreq]

I'd be curious to find out the success of recommended GM's from this committee.

I'd be very interested in that myself.

I don't know how long this committee has even been operating. My gut hunch is, less than a decade, and probably less than 5 years. Not sure how many GMs have been hired, or how many with their input, in that time frame.

 

[mhughes0021]

I'd be very interested in that myself.

I don't know how long this committee has even been operating. My gut hunch is, less than a decade, and probably less than 5 years. Not sure how many GMs have been hired, or how many with their input, in that time frame.

Probably as good as he is at picking coaches. Caldwell comes to mind lmao.

 

[kalinecountry]

Mayhew hired as New York Giants' director of football operations

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/02/new_york_giants_hire_martin_ma.html#incart_river_index
Ex-Lions GM Martin Mayhew hired as New York Giants' director of football operations.
Mlive

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/02/11/martin-mayhew-new-york-giants/80232958/
Giants hire former Lions GM Mayhew for front office.
Freep

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ants-hire-ex-lions-gm-martin-mayhew/80234212/
Giants hire ex-Lions GM Martin Mayhew.
Detnews

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/...former-lions-gm-martin-mayhew-to-front-office
New York Giants hire former Lions GM Martin Mayhew to front office position.
PrideOfDetroit

 

[boogerlovejoy]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/02/new_york_giants_hire_martin_ma.html#incart_river_index
Ex-Lions GM Martin Mayhew hired as New York Giants' director of football operations.
Mlive

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/02/11/martin-mayhew-new-york-giants/80232958/
Giants hire former Lions GM Mayhew for front office.
Freep

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ants-hire-ex-lions-gm-martin-mayhew/80234212/
Giants hire ex-Lions GM Martin Mayhew.
Detnews

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/...former-lions-gm-martin-mayhew-to-front-office
New York Giants hire former Lions GM Martin Mayhew to front office position.
PrideOfDetroit

Poor bastards.......I guess they feel like they have enough Super Bowl titles.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...od-wood-detroit-lions-martha-ford/1130521001/
Detroit Lions' Martha Ford has 'a lot less patience' for mediocrity than husband.
Freep

 

[kalinecountry]

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019...tin-mayhew-interviews-for-the-texans-vacancy/
Former Lions GM Martin Mayhew interviews for the Texans vacancy.
LionsWire