Michigan wins!!

[hungry]

They did choose to down the football.

If they hadn?t, Michigan probably would?ve covered.

Michigan dominated throughout most of the first half and ran up a 28-0 lead.

Then they self imploded and gave up 25 unanswered points.

Then Michigan recovered and scored 14 unanswered points.

They were deep in Illini territory threatening to score late in the game, but chose to go into victory formation when victory was sealed.

I?m a little pissed that. I had Michigan covering the spread, and for a guy who would go for two against P Carol at USC when he had the game safely in hand, just because he ?couldn?t go for three,? I got to say that that?s a little wimpy on Harbaugh?s part.

I agree. I had Michigan covering and they would've if they just run the football there.

Michigan has to win every game by 3 TD to keep the fans happy and this would've come true, also, with a TD there.

That was USC, not Illinois. Harbaugh is not the person he was back then. Pete Carroll is a jerk. I guess Illinois and Lovie SMith didn't deserve to get their faces rubbed in it.

 

[hungry]

Michigan is not Alabama

Michigan is a good football team

Michigan is not as good as Ohio State

Ohio State, Alabama, and Clemson are probably the 3 best teams in the nation. Of course, Clemson almost lost to UNC 2 weeks ago. Shit happens.

Michigan should be better. THe program should be in a better position. It isn't. The team isn't as good as we thought they were going to be. Harbaugh is still a good coach. The program isn't a disaster on and off the field like it was under RR and Hoke. I still think Harbaugh is the man for the job. I'm not ecstatic about some things I see. Do i feel the psychological need to cry on the internet about the same things over and over? No.

I accept that Harbaugh watches every practice and sees what we do not. I accept that Shea Patterson is the best QB on the team. I feel that the team would probably do worse with McCaffrey (who has been hurt) or Milton. Do I want to see the team do worse? No. Do I think Shea is playing well? No.

Do we need to cover this everyday or every week? No.

Sometimes you just need to accept things as they are instead of what YOU thought they would be.

That being said, to me it's really simple. It isn't a sad state of affairs.

IF the team I root for wins, I'm happy. Michigan won the football game by a large margin on saturday. Were there some things wrong? Of course. Am I going to fixate on that just so I can be critical? No. No one is a genius, because they can identify some areas that aren't good on this team. It doesn't make anyone smart to say those things. It's obvious to everyone.

IF or when Michigan loses, I'll be mad or sad. They haven't lost to PSU. If they do, then I imagine that I'll be mad or sad. PSU will be favored. PSU should win the game. I will still be unhappy if it happens. There will be plenty of time for that next Saturday night and Sunday morning. Why moan about it now? What purpose does it serve?

 

[dubbsco]

Michigan is not Alabama

Michigan is a good football team

Michigan is not as good as Ohio State

Ohio State, Alabama, and Clemson are probably the 3 best teams in the nation. Of course, Clemson almost lost to UNC 2 weeks ago. Shit happens.

Michigan should be better. THe program should be in a better position. It isn't. The team isn't as good as we thought they were going to be. Harbaugh is still a good coach. The program isn't a disaster on and off the field like it was under RR and Hoke. I still think Harbaugh is the man for the job. I'm not ecstatic about some things I see. Do i feel the psychological need to cry on the internet about the same things over and over? No.

I accept that Harbaugh watches every practice and sees what we do not. I accept that Shea Patterson is the best QB on the team. I feel that the team would probably do worse with McCaffrey (who has been hurt) or Milton. Do I want to see the team do worse? No. Do I think Shea is playing well? No.

Do we need to cover this everyday or every week? No.

Sometimes you just need to accept things as they are instead of what YOU thought they would be.

That being said, to me it's really simple. It isn't a sad state of affairs.

IF the team I root for wins, I'm happy. Michigan won the football game by a large margin on saturday. Were there some things wrong? Of course. Am I going to fixate on that just so I can be critical? No. No one is a genius, because they can identify some areas that aren't good on this team. It doesn't make anyone smart to say those things. It's obvious to everyone.

IF or when Michigan loses, I'll be mad or sad. They haven't lost to PSU. If they do, then I imagine that I'll be mad or sad. PSU will be favored. PSU should win the game. I will still be unhappy if it happens. There will be plenty of time for that next Saturday night and Sunday morning. Why moan about it now? What purpose does it serve?

Yeah, you are right. No purpose in talking about our concerns on a message board.

Nothing to see here. We got a good football team and we should just appreciate that.

My fault.

 

[biggunsbob]

This is the issue. If a team is only going to win 7, 8 or 9 wins this year with Patterson who is in his last year why are we not prepare Milton or McCaffrey for next season ? We all agree we have 3 games coming up that we will not be favored in At Psu, Norte Dame, and Ohio st. When will Jim and the staff ever trust the recruiting process and stick with a guy they recruited ? I do feel that Dylan is pretty Fragile. He just can?t stay healthy.


We really don?t know if either McCaffrey or Milton is better the Patterson. But if and when we lose our 2nd big ten game I am ok with getting them reps for next season. Patterson did some good things yesterday. But he had a lot of really bad throws behind his wr yesterday. Is he not confident reading the rpo and keeping it and running ? His 4th and 2 run was really good but again this is Illinois. His rpo read and td pass to Dpj was pretty slick.

Coaching .
Gattis
What is gattis doing in the 3rd quarter Running up the middle when edge runs were gashing Illinois. Also Turner had 2 fumbles. He was lucky his knee was down for one. I am ok with Haskins and Zach running it. Hopefully zack and the new recruit will be the backs next year.

Jim
Up 28-7 with .55 seconds left and 3 time outs left in the half what happened for going for more points ? I guess he was not expected a 3rd string qb to move the ball.

Don.
Just when I think he has gotten his issues solved the underneath passes killed us again. Poor tackling in the 3rd was a huge issue. I guess Momentum is huge issue.

Flags and fumbles
Mason and others were just cannot commit these type of flags. This should be addressed.
Mason flag cost us points as a shorter fg probably gets in.

Jim is not getting fired. At least not this year no matter what happens. I think we can keep it close at happy valley but under Jim we are a real fragile team on the road. It sure would be nice to pound a good team on the road. Psu has a great defense. Not sold on psu?s Qb..

 

[bphillips4gg]

So since you are finally willing to admit that you know exactly what we are talking about, I'm curious to know why you are okay with the job Harbaugh is doing. It's the same issues that the team has had since his first year and there's no sign of improvement. The Qbs in the program regress every year, the team is not prepared for quality opponents and, on top of all that, this year they look unprepared for significantly inferior opponents.

We do not expect them to win a national championship every single year, but with the level of talent that they have on paper they should be a lot closer to at least competing for at least a conference championship and competing with osu. And before you try to justify it with "recruiting rankings aren't perfect", that's a major part of the staff and Jim's job to assess talent and then develop it.

Keep on telling yourself that everything is good. I guess that beating Illinois and Iowa make up for getting throttled by osu again.

 

[hungry]

Yeah, you are right. No purpose in talking about our concerns on a message board.

Nothing to see here. We got a good football team and we should just appreciate that.

My fault.

When you post all of your "critical" stuff, everyone is supposed to agree with everything you say and tell you how smart you are and how keen your insight is as you point out things that only you see OR it is a message board and some people might see your post and disagree with things. I guess you aren't familiar with that concept.

You're a genius and everything you post is gold and everyone needs to agree with everything you post.

Your fault.

 

[dubbsco]

When you post all of your "critical" stuff, everyone is supposed to agree with everything you say and tell you how smart you are and how keen your insight is as you point out things that only you see OR it is a message board and some people might see your post and disagree with things. I guess you aren't familiar with that concept.

You're a genius and everything you post is gold and everyone needs to agree with everything you post.

Your fault.

Yeah, literally none of that is true, whatsoever. Great strawman!

I just think your whole, "Enjoy the win, don't be critical" routine is exhausting and continues to fly in the face of the concept of a message board.

But whatever, I'm done with the circles of this argument. It's getting boring and life goes on.

 

[dubbsco]

So since you are finally willing to admit that you know exactly what we are talking about, I'm curious to know why you are okay with the job Harbaugh is doing. It's the same issues that the team has had since his first year and there's no sign of improvement. The Qbs in the program regress every year, the team is not prepared for quality opponents and, on top of all that, this year they look unprepared for significantly inferior opponents.

We do not expect them to win a national championship every single year, but with the level of talent that they have on paper they should be a lot closer to at least competing for at least a conference championship and competing with osu. And before you try to justify it with "recruiting rankings aren't perfect", that's a major part of the staff and Jim's job to assess talent and then develop it.

Keep on telling yourself that everything is good. I guess that beating Illinois and Iowa make up for getting throttled by osu again.

It does not matter what we think. Just gotta enjoy the win and say, "Yes! We are 5-1!" Critical thinking and analysis is not allowed on this board.

No, I do not expect a national championship every year. But I expect one Big Ten title every 15 years.

 

[hungry]

So since you are finally willing to admit that you know exactly what we are talking about, I'm curious to know why you are okay with the job Harbaugh is doing. It's the same issues that the team has had since his first year and there's no sign of improvement. The Qbs in the program regress every year, the team is not prepared for quality opponents and, on top of all that, this year they look unprepared for significantly inferior opponents.

We do not expect them to win a national championship every single year, but with the level of talent that they have on paper they should be a lot closer to at least competing for at least a conference championship and competing with osu. And before you try to justify it with "recruiting rankings aren't perfect", that's a major part of the staff and Jim's job to assess talent and then develop it.

Keep on telling yourself that everything is good. I guess that beating Illinois and Iowa make up for getting throttled by osu again.

You guys keep doing that. You keep saying that I am telling myself that everything is good. I'm not doing that. I just don't see the need to repost all of the completely obvious things that people have posted about 1,000 times since Michigan beat MTSU, especially not immediately after a win.

I never said that I am completely happy with everything Harbaugh is doing.

I said that I still think he is the man for the job. He has had seasons where he competed for a big 10 championship. Competed for and winning one are not the same thing. Michigan has come very close. That is what it means to compete for. Then you guys say, well, it's not good enough to compete for or come close, then you have to win one. Well, make up your minds, does he need to win one or be in close competition for one? Pick a thing and stick with it.

The program is not in tatters, despite what you guys are saying. Harbaugh has 38 wins in 4 seasons. That is pretty good. I'm willing to wait and see how this year actually turns out instead of relying on Dubbs to predict the finishing win/loss total right now. There are no off the field issues. The team seems to be recruiting well. The program was a complete debacle during RR's years and that led to his firing. The program was a complete debacle during the Hoke years, which led to his firing. Harbaugh took over a program that was in shambles. The great talent that Harbaugh took to 10 wins his first year, won 5 games the season before that.

I don't think blowing the whole thing up right now is a good idea. That doesn't mean that I don't have concerns. I just don't need to run to a msg board and cry and be held by fellow fans over the state of the program

"Anyone can win 8 or 9 games at Michigan." Well, the same can be said about UCLA, USC, FSU, and Tennessee. How is that going?

 

[hungry]

It does not matter what we think. Just gotta enjoy the win and say, "Yes! We are 5-1!" Critical thinking and analysis is not allowed on this board.

No, I do not expect a national championship every year. But I expect one Big Ten title every 15 years.

Funny thing is that you think what you are posting is critical thinking and analysis. Nothing you post is hard to see. Any simpleton can see what you are seeing and posting about. We all see it. We just don't feel the need to post it 1,000 times so people will agree and sympathize with us.

Plenty of time to cry when or IF Michigan loses.

 

[hungry]

Yeah, literally none of that is true, whatsoever. Great strawman!

I just think your whole, "Enjoy the win, don't be critical" routine is exhausting and continues to fly in the face of the concept of a message board.

But whatever, I'm done with the circles of this argument. It's getting boring and life goes on.

It's all true. We don't have to agree with everything you post. That is what a message board is. Aren't you aware of that concept? You'll keep reading and responding, because that is what you do.

It's quite simple. IF you don't like my posts, don't read and respond.

 

[hungry]

This is the issue. If a team is only going to win 7, 8 or 9 wins this year with Patterson who is in his last year why are we not prepare Milton or McCaffrey for next season ? We all agree we have 3 games coming up that we will not be favored in At Psu, Norte Dame, and Ohio st. When will Jim and the staff ever trust the recruiting process and stick with a guy they recruited ? I do feel that Dylan is pretty Fragile. He just can?t stay healthy.


We really don?t know if either McCaffrey or Milton is better the Patterson. But if and when we lose our 2nd big ten game I am ok with getting them reps for next season. Patterson did some good things yesterday. But he had a lot of really bad throws behind his wr yesterday. Is he not confident reading the rpo and keeping it and running ? His 4th and 2 run was really good but again this is Illinois. His rpo read and td pass to Dpj was pretty slick.

Coaching .
Gattis
What is gattis doing in the 3rd quarter Running up the middle when edge runs were gashing Illinois. Also Turner had 2 fumbles. He was lucky his knee was down for one. I am ok with Haskins and Zach running it. Hopefully zack and the new recruit will be the backs next year.

Jim
Up 28-7 with .55 seconds left and 3 time outs left in the half what happened for going for more points ? I guess he was not expected a 3rd string qb to move the ball.

Don.
Just when I think he has gotten his issues solved the underneath passes killed us again. Poor tackling in the 3rd was a huge issue. I guess Momentum is huge issue.

Flags and fumbles
Mason and others were just cannot commit these type of flags. This should be addressed.
Mason flag cost us points as a shorter fg probably gets in.

Jim is not getting fired. At least not this year no matter what happens. I think we can keep it close at happy valley but under Jim we are a real fragile team on the road. It sure would be nice to pound a good team on the road. Psu has a great defense. Not sold on psu?s Qb..

They are preparing McCaffrey and Milton for next year. That can be done in practice. I don't know if you noticed, but McCaffrey has been hurt. He'll stick to a guy he recruited out of high school next year. I'm willing to bet it took some convincing to get Patterson to come to Michigan.

The goal of the football team during the season is to win as many games as you can, not to prepare for next year. Patterson provides that, no matter what many fans think.

I just watched the entire first half and the parts of the 3rd quarter against Illinois and I really don't think Patterson had a bad day. I thought he looked pretty good. There were some bad plays here and there and it is Illinois. At 28-25, he took over and engineered a td drive when he needed to. He didn't lose a fumble and he didn't throw a pick. He "misses" some throws when he runs out of time and tried to put the ball in a place that only the receiver can get to. That is smart and doesn't lead to picks. An incomplete pass is better than a pick.

They're never going to play perfectly. Anyone can "critically analyze" a game and find some bonehead plays.

You're right about Jim not getting fired, unless something crazy happens and Michigan loses the rest of their games or there are some off the field issues. Fans can cry that they want him gone and that any coach can do better, but that will not do anyone any good.

I just don't see the point in critically analyzing the Illinois game. I said before the game that it would mean nothing moving forward and I still hold that. Nothing in that game mattered.

Well, except the punt return team and the fg kicking. I am concerned about those things moving forward. Michigan can't seem to kick a fg. That might bite them in the ass against PSU, ND, MSU, and OSU.

 

[hungry]

It does not matter what we think. Just gotta enjoy the win and say, "Yes! We are 5-1!" Critical thinking and analysis is not allowed on this board.

No, I do not expect a national championship every year. But I expect one Big Ten title every 15 years.

You are right about 1 thing. It doesn't matter what we think.

No one in AA is reading this board and no one in AA cares what any of us posters on this board think. It will have no effect on anything.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Well, JH has 2 chances in a row against top 10 teams to quell the doubters. If by God's grace he pulls 2 wins out of his ass, I will shit my pants. If we get 1, ill be happy. I'd rather beat ND, if there was a choice of winning one.

 

[hungry]

Well, JH has 2 chances in a row against top 10 teams to quell the doubters. If by God's grace he pulls 2 wins out of his ass, I will shit my pants. If we get 1, ill be happy. I'd rather beat ND, if there was a choice of winning one.

Come on, man. The PSU game matters for competing for a championship. The ND game is exhibition...

It would be nice for Michigan to beat ND at home, though.

 

[hungry]

As I was watching the game today, I saw that McKeon did play. He only blocked, didn't catch any balls, but at least he got in there.

I read somewhere that Nico Collins, Kwity Paye, Josh Ross, and Lavert HIll didn't make the trip

I sure hope that these players are healthy this Saturday night

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Remember Paye went down with that leg Injury in the late 3rd, I think. Danna replaced him. I totally forgot about it because I never saw an update during the week. I think it was a hammy. At first I thought it was cramps. Apparently not.

 

[biggunsbob]

It sure would be nice to pound Psu like we did in 1997 on the road Jim has to find a way to fix our road woes verses ranked teams. Dang that 1997 team had Howard, Thomas and Floyd at running back at Running back albeit in a different system.

 

[hungry]

2006 game was featured on Inside Michigan Football. I'd take a performance like that. I'd take a 1 pt win.

Michigan hasn't won a big 10 title in 15 years, but why is that brought up as a knock on Harbaugh? Harbaugh hasn't been here for the entire 15 years. It is almost the opposite of a knock. It would be one thing if Michigan were regularly winning big 10 titles and then Harbaugh took over and it stopped, but that isn't how it happened.

 

[jwlcosu]

Hungry: I have to say you are the voice of reason on this board insofar as the state of the Wolverines and Harbaugh is concerned. He didn't have the quick impact that most M fans anticipated but the start of his tenure has been solid enough, apart from not winning the marquee matchups. But there is little doubt that he'll start to win his share of those in time, if given time.