NCAA Tourney Draw

[SpartyNash]

I sure as shit am not rooting for MSU or OSU to root it over any other team, and that includes Notre Dame.

Nor would I expect anyone to. That?s part of rivalries and what makes them great. Unless North Korea gets a college team I?ll root against Michigan until the end of time, I would think most people would do the same concerning rivals.

 

[Michchamp]

Did you read the whole thing or just the first sentence . Dude what the fuck is wrong with you ?

I think he just sees you posted something and instintively argues, even if his argument doesn't make sense, or if he actually agrees with you.

 

[biggunsbob]

I think he just sees you posted something and instintively argues, even if his argument doesn't make sense, or if he actually agrees with you.

Well that is probably true. Look I'm not saying it is not hard to root for Purdue and msu because it is, and I do want Michigan to go further .but no way will I ever root for that cheating program in Columbus lol..

 

[Michchamp]

if we don't make it, I'd like to see another Big Ten team win it all. I guess, yeah, I'd rather it be Purdue than MSU or OSU, but whatever.

I don't dislike OSU basketball as much since Craft graduated. that shot of him laying on the court after Dayton bounced them in the first round was classic.

I don't root against MSU, but I enjoy laughing if they get upset. that was hilarious when they lost as a #2 seed a couple years ago.

What I hate about MSU basketball is there was like a 10 year stretch where they'd do the opposite of whatever I picked them to do, a couple times single-handedly screwing my whole bracket.

 

[Spartanmack]

Did you read the whole thing or just the first sentence . Dude what the fuck is wrong with you ?

wow, you took it up a notch pretty quickly - what's with the hotility? It was a sincere question. I read the whole post and I get that in this case you are pulling for the B1G but you said you know you're not supposed. I'm wondering why the default position is cheering against co-conference teams (except this year) with the possible exception of OSU (although, to me that makes way more sense in football than in basketball or other sports, but I understand if that's not the case for a lot of uofm fans).

 

[Spartanmack]

Not me. I root against several Big Ten schools in fact (Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana) pretty much regardless of who they play in hoops. Does that make me a bad fan? Maybe, but I hate all those teams and won?t put my biases aside to make the conference look better to pundits.

I feel that way about Wisconsin in both sports and while I have an almost as intense dislike of PSU, I still prefer them to win out of conference in just about all cases - for example, I'm fine if they lose to Temple in football but I'll pull for them against SEC, big 12, pac 12 opponents.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think he just sees you posted something and instintively argues, even if his argument doesn't make sense, or if he actually agrees with you.

This is clearly the tact bob has taken here - I was actually curious about the reason for that position.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Not me. I root against several Big Ten schools in fact (Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana) pretty much regardless of who they play in hoops. Does that make me a bad fan? Maybe, but I hate all those teams and won?t put my biases aside to make the conference look better to pundits.

Yeah.

Good idea.

I hate to be the one to break this to ya, but your biases or who you root for or against has nothing to do with how the conference looks to pundits.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah.

Good idea.

I hate to be the one to break this to ya, but your biases or who you root for or against has nothing to do with how the conference looks to pundits.

how the conference is viewed is important to me but it's not the main reason I want the B1G to do well - and it has way more to do with friendly rivalries and bragging rights among fans of non B1G programs than what any talking heads have to say about anything. Growing up in the Midwest I have way more of a connection to other B1G schools through family and friends than any sec, acc, tiny 12 or pac 12 team.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think he just sees you posted something and instintively argues, even if his argument doesn't make sense, or if he actually agrees with you.

That's how I've been seeing things. More lately than in the past.

 

[Spartanmack]

That's how I've been seeing things. More lately than in the past.

I guess you're not less biased than either of them then. Clearly you haven't noticed that I no longer engage with him on the politics board - with the rare exception of sometimes responding when he engages me.

 

[tinselwolverine]

how the conference is viewed is important to me but it's not the main reason I want the B1G to do well - and it has way more to do with friendly rivalries and bragging rights among fans of non B1G programs than what any talking heads have to say about anything. Growing up in the Midwest I have way more of a connection to other B1G schools through family and friends than any sec, acc, tiny 12 or pac 12 team.

Cool.

When I paid more attention to sports, I'd want the B1G to succeed out of conference.

I guess I still do to a degree, but I care a lot less about anything other than Michigan than I used to.

One would think that what was good for the conference would be a conference member, but over time some Michigan fans on this board have claimed that is what is good for rivals is bad Michigan, a la in recruiting.

Who the hell knows?

I pay virtually zero attention to recruiting. The seasons start when Michigan starts playing and ends when Michigan finishes.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I guess you're not less biased than either of them then. Clearly you haven't noticed that I no longer engage with him on the politics board - with the rare exception of sometimes responding when he engages me.

I wonder if that has something to do with it. You stop engaging with him and it changes how you engage with me.

 

[Gulo Blue]

One would think that what was good for the conference would be a conference member, but over time some Michigan fans on this board have claimed that is what is good for rivals is bad Michigan, a la in recruiting.

Who the hell knows?

Me! I know!

There's subjectivity in the time scale you pick to decide who is doing better than who, but for the most part you should pull for all of the Big Ten, MSU when they are worse than us, and OSU only if they have been bad so long it's hurting the rivalry.

 

[Spartanmack]

I wonder if that has something to do with it. You stop engaging with him and it changes how you engage with me.

I doubt it has anything to do with whether I'm engaging with him or not but I would bet how I engaged with him (and 1 or 2 others) influences how you interpret how I engage with you.

 

[Spartanmack]

Cool.

When I paid more attention to sports, I'd want the B1G to succeed out of conference.

I guess I still do to a degree, but I care a lot less about anything other than Michigan than I used to.

One would think that what was good for the conference would be a conference member, but over time some Michigan fans on this board have claimed that is what is good for rivals is bad Michigan, a la in recruiting.

Who the hell knows?

I pay virtually zero attention to recruiting. The seasons start when Michigan starts playing and ends when Michigan finishes.

My universe has shrunk to become very MSU-centric as well - I may not watch as many other B1G games (having 3 kids does that to a person) but I still want them to do well.

I disagree on the recruiting thing - at least as far as the MSU/uofm relationship goes. Even when uofm was in the dumps and RR wasn't recruiting heavily in-state, we didn't really benefit much from that - elite Michigan kids were going to OSU, not MSU. It seems the recruiting tides in the Midwest shift between AA and Columbus coinciding with the ups and downs of those teams. Obviously, you're not going to root for OSU ever. The impact of MSU or other B1G programs doing well on recruiting at uofm is negligible.

 

[tinselwolverine]

My universe has shrunk to become very MSU-centric as well - I may not watch as many other B1G games (having 3 kids does that to a person) but I still want them to do well.

I disagree on the recruiting thing - at least as far as the MSU/uofm relationship goes. Even when uofm was in the dumps and RR wasn't recruiting heavily in-state, we didn't really benefit much from that - elite Michigan kids were going to OSU, not MSU. It seems the recruiting tides in the Midwest shift between AA and Columbus coinciding with the ups and downs of those teams. Obviously, you're not going to root for OSU ever. The impact of MSU or other B1G programs doing well on recruiting at uofm is negligible.

Regarding rivalries and recruiting as far as MSU goes, some posters claim that it's basketball success of the Spartans that hurts most - I think they would agree with you; recruitment rivalry is far keener against OSU and football recruiting rivalry is negligible.

I really don't have an opinion, except that recruiting to me is a little like reading tea leaves as it is - the scouts and coaches take their best shot and hope who they get works out better than for anybody else.

Main reason I don't pay attention to recruiting, I guess.

 

[Spartanmack]

Regarding rivalries and recruiting as far as MSU goes, some posters claim that it's basketball success of the Spartans that hurts most - I think they would agree with you; recruitment rivalry is far keener against OSU and football recruiting rivalry is negligible.

I really don't have an opinion, except that recruiting to me is a little like reading tea leaves as it is - the scouts and coaches take their best shot and hope who they get works out better than for anybody else.

Main reason I don't pay attention to recruiting, I guess.

I didn't really think about hoops - I guess I kinda took that for granted since we've had that edge so long. Plus, I care way more about and therefore pay more attention to football than basketball.

You're right - nobody knows jack shit about what most of these kids are thinking or going to do - it's a waste of time. So I stopped following recruiting too and only go on the thread to make jaded wise cracks about how we're going to lose the elite "leans" to dook, ky and ku after having so many high hopes dashed in '12, '13 and '14.

 

[SpartyNash]

Yeah.

Good idea.

I hate to be the one to break this to ya, but your biases or who you root for or against has nothing to do with how the conference looks to pundits.

My point is that while every SEC fan goes crazy for their conference come bowl season, I don’t cheerlead for the Big Ten. I couldn’t careless if having Michigan OSU Wisconsin etc have good showings on the national stage leads to more national respect for the conference.

 

[tinselwolverine]

My point is that while every SEC fan goes crazy for their conference come bowl season, I don?t cheerlead for the Big Ten. I couldn?t careless if having Michigan OSU Wisconsin etc have good showings on the national stage leads to more national respect for the conference.

Sure.

I was good naturedly razzing you a little.