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[newton83]

Getting the fish to take the bait IS the skill. Come on man you are sounding more ignorant than usual. There is a reason some people are more successful fishing and hunting and it sure isn't luck. It's skill. Fisherman know currents and structure, water temperature, depth, sun light, barometric pressure, etc... Hunters understand animal behavior, wind, breeding rituals, etc. It's mostly knowledge and skill with a little sprinkle of luck.

That is not always true at all. Let's go fishing at a lake - you can use Rapalas and I'll use some worms - and we'll see who can catch more fish.

As I stated in the very first response to this - if I go to Alaska to hunt, sure I probably want a guide. If I'm in SE Michigan - probably not needed. If I'm going deep sea fishing - I'll probably need a guide that knows the area and where the fish are. If I'm on the huron river - probably not. If you know the basics about fishing (fish like to hide in weed beds, by dead trees and around cover) you can be just as successful as anyone using live bait. It's when you get into using fake lures that you start running into the more skilled aspect of fishing. Sure knowing what lure fits the right occasion is key. But using live bait, like a worm, works in almost any situation. In fact - growing up, we always thought it was cheating because that's what my dad told us lol.

First you say fishing takes no skill and you can do just as well with live bait as with a fake lure. Then you 180 abruptly and admit that there is skill to it and that using a fake lure is "cheating." Can you get your act together and post something coherent? LOL it's like debating a dog chasing it's own tail, no idea where it's headed.

 

[greenandwhite95]

sitting over bait will guarantee you jack shit! Does it help, yeah sometimes. Kinda of like throwing a hail mary pass at the end of a game. It works, but rarely.

Also given the same equipment, i would out fish you any day. More skill than luck in both sports.

Most people can't pull back a bow, steady themselves, and put the arrow where in needs to go with all the other factors that will come into play. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. But its not a everyday occurrence.

I don't think you would out-fish me. Given equal equipment, we'd probably do about the same.

And like I said - the skill is in the archery or the shooting, not the hunting. If you're an archer for fun - you can hunt just as good as anyone. If you're a target shooter - you can hunt just as good as anyone. If you find a game path, put out some food and sit in a tree blind - you have just as good of luck to get a deer as anyone.

ANytime you want, I will out fish you M&B, I am that confident. I guarantee it. I live near many lakes and lived on one for years. Fished my whole life. I have fished many tournaments and was a member of SMBC ( Southern Michigan Bass Casters ). I have also fished may different types of species. It takes more than equal equipment to be a good fisherman. There is so much that goes into it. Like I said, anytime, you name the lake, I'm there buddy.

Same goes with hunting. Go ahead and grab a bucket and sit in the woods and see how many deer you see. You are talking about things you know nothing about but claiming to have knowledge.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Getting the fish to take the bait IS the skill. Come on man you are sounding more ignorant than usual. There is a reason some people are more successful fishing and hunting and it sure isn't luck. It's skill. Fisherman know currents and structure, water temperature, depth, sun light, barometric pressure, etc... Hunters understand animal behavior, wind, breeding rituals, etc. It's mostly knowledge and skill with a little sprinkle of luck.

Yes, Jever gets it, as usual.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

First you say fishing takes no skill and you can do just as well with live bait as with a fake lure. Then you 180 abruptly and admit that there is skill to it and that using a fake lure is "cheating." Can you get your act together and post something coherent? LOL it's like debating a dog chasing it's own tail, no idea where it's headed.

That's not what I said at all. I said given equal equipment most people could do as well as a professional fisherman under normal circumstances (a local river or lake) and only under extreme circumstances, like deep sea fishing, would expertize pay off. On my lake, for instance, I might do a little better than someone, even a professional fisherman, because I've fished it for 25 years and know every little nook and cranny where fish hide. But if you gave Bill dance a pole, hook and bobber with some worms he'd do just as well as a beginner on our lake. That's my point.

And the same goes for hunting. Let's say you take someone who is strictly a target shooter and pair him against a "great" hunter. If you don't put them in an extreme circumstance, like Alaska or the jungles of Africa, they're likely to have very similar chances of getting a deer. For instance, you give both the same rifle and the same 100 acre plot of land in Michigan - and the same amount of time to shoot a deer it's basically a crap shoot as to who comes on on top.

There's a lot of experience that comes along with hunting and fishing - but in the end MOST of it just comes down to luck. Did the deer walk by and did the fish choose to bite. Some of it comes down to equipment (a fisherman with a depth finder is likely more likely to get a fish than one who doesn't have one) and the last little bit comes down to knowing what to look for.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I don't think you would out-fish me. Given equal equipment, we'd probably do about the same.

And like I said - the skill is in the archery or the shooting, not the hunting. If you're an archer for fun - you can hunt just as good as anyone. If you're a target shooter - you can hunt just as good as anyone. If you find a game path, put out some food and sit in a tree blind - you have just as good of luck to get a deer as anyone.

ANytime you want, I will out fish you M&B, I am that confident. I guarantee it. I live near many lakes and lived on one for years. Fished my whole life. I have fished many tournaments and was a member of SMBC ( Southern Michigan Bass Casters ). I have also fished may different types of species. It takes more than equal equipment to be a good fisherman. There is so much that goes into it. Like I said, anytime, you name the lake, I'm there buddy.

Same goes with hunting. Go ahead and grab a bucket and sit in the woods and see how many deer you see. You are talking about things you know nothing about but claiming to have knowledge.

I just did what you told me and I saw like 15 deer standing in a field, do I win something?

 

[wolverine304]

Did you shoot any?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Did you shoot any?

Nope. that would be illegal.

 

[wolverine304]

Then you win nothing

 

[newton83]

First you say fishing takes no skill and you can do just as well with live bait as with a fake lure. Then you 180 abruptly and admit that there is skill to it and that using a fake lure is "cheating." Can you get your act together and post something coherent? LOL it's like debating a dog chasing it's own tail, no idea where it's headed.

That's not what I said at all. I said given equal equipment most people could do as well as a professional fisherman under normal circumstances (a local river or lake) and only under extreme circumstances, like deep sea fishing, would expertize pay off.

"That is not always true at all. Let's go fishing at a lake - you can use Rapalas and I'll use some worms - and we'll see who can catch more fish."

What was this comment then, if not a claim that you could do just as well or better with worms than someone with lures? There's no point continuing this if you're just going to ignore the things you've written. Have someone else play fetch with you.

 

[greenandwhite95]

ANytime you want, I will out fish you M&B, I am that confident. I guarantee it. I live near many lakes and lived on one for years. Fished my whole life. I have fished many tournaments and was a member of SMBC ( Southern Michigan Bass Casters ). I have also fished may different types of species. It takes more than equal equipment to be a good fisherman. There is so much that goes into it. Like I said, anytime, you name the lake, I'm there buddy.

Same goes with hunting. Go ahead and grab a bucket and sit in the woods and see how many deer you see. You are talking about things you know nothing about but claiming to have knowledge.

I just did what you told me and I saw like 15 deer standing in a field, do I win something?

Yeah right. Agai, if you knew anyting about whitetails you would know that deer don't often get into YARDS or groups until the winter months. Also, the rut is in full swing, another indicator of deer not grouping up. Lastly, it's too windy here in southern michigan this evening. Deer seldom move when the wind is blowing like it is right now with 20 to 30 mph sustained winds nd gusts over 40. Just things that are part of the SPORT of Deer hunting most hunters know. You Lose, You win nothing, Good day sir.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

That's not what I said at all. I said given equal equipment most people could do as well as a professional fisherman under normal circumstances (a local river or lake) and only under extreme circumstances, like deep sea fishing, would expertize pay off.

"That is not always true at all. Let's go fishing at a lake - you can use Rapalas and I'll use some worms - and we'll see who can catch more fish."

What was this comment then, if not a claim that you could do just as well or better with worms than someone with lures? There's no point continuing this if you're just going to ignore the things you've written. Have someone else play fetch with you.

That comment was in direct response to his comment. It was not to say I'm a better fisher and I'm not sure why you would read it as such. It was to prove that a lot of times equipment is more important that skill. In the case I suggested - no matter who was using the worms, it could be a 5 year old, they'd end up with a better fish count than even the best fisherman using plastic lures.

This summer we were fishing on the lake with lures and my mom was there from the shore fishing with a bobber and some worms - she smokes us. The point is that it's not always about skill. We knew were to fish - the fish just weren't biting that day, well, at least not any plastic lures we had. But they were destroying the worms my mom was using and pretty much always do.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I just did what you told me and I saw like 15 deer standing in a field, do I win something?

Yeah right. Agai, if you knew anyting about whitetails you would know that deer don't often get into YARDS or groups until the winter months. Also, the rut is in full swing, another indicator of deer not grouping up. Lastly, it's too windy here in southern michigan this evening. Deer seldom move when the wind is blowing like it is right now with 20 to 30 mph sustained winds nd gusts over 40. Just things that are part of the SPORT of Deer hunting most hunters know. You Lose, You win nothing, Good day sir.

I'm sorry I didn't take a picture for you. Seems to me that my observation goes against even the best hunting skills.

 

[greenandwhite95]

"That is not always true at all. Let's go fishing at a lake - you can use Rapalas and I'll use some worms - and we'll see who can catch more fish."

What was this comment then, if not a claim that you could do just as well or better with worms than someone with lures? There's no point continuing this if you're just going to ignore the things you've written. Have someone else play fetch with you.

That comment was in direct response to his comment. It was not to say I'm a better fisher and I'm not sure why you would read it as such. It was to prove that a lot of times equipment is more important that skill. In the case I suggested - no matter who was using the worms, it could be a 5 year old, they'd end up with a better fish count than even the best fisherman using plastic lures.

This summer we were fishing on the lake with lures and my mom was there from the shore fishing with a bobber and some worms - she smokes us. The point is that it's not always about skill. We knew were to fish - the fish just weren't biting that day, well, at least not any plastic lures we had. But they were destroying the worms my mom was using and pretty much always do.

Anytime, fish-off, you and me. You need skill to find where the fish have moved and figure out what bait to use. There are way to many things involved to describe over the internet how to fish believe me, it takes skill.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Yeah right. Agai, if you knew anyting about whitetails you would know that deer don't often get into YARDS or groups until the winter months. Also, the rut is in full swing, another indicator of deer not grouping up. Lastly, it's too windy here in southern michigan this evening. Deer seldom move when the wind is blowing like it is right now with 20 to 30 mph sustained winds nd gusts over 40. Just things that are part of the SPORT of Deer hunting most hunters know. You Lose, You win nothing, Good day sir.

I'm sorry I didn't take a picture for you. Seems to me that my observation goes against even the best hunting skills.

Cause you're LYING. I know better.

 

[newton83]

"That is not always true at all. Let's go fishing at a lake - you can use Rapalas and I'll use some worms - and we'll see who can catch more fish."

What was this comment then, if not a claim that you could do just as well or better with worms than someone with lures? There's no point continuing this if you're just going to ignore the things you've written. Have someone else play fetch with you.

That comment was in direct response to his comment. It was not to say I'm a better fisher and I'm not sure why you would read it as such. It was to prove that a lot of times equipment is more important that skill. In the case I suggested - no matter who was using the worms, it could be a 5 year old, they'd end up with a better fish count than even the best fisherman using plastic lures.

This summer we were fishing on the lake with lures and my mom was there from the shore fishing with a bobber and some worms - she smokes us. The point is that it's not always about skill. We knew were to fish - the fish just weren't biting that day, well, at least not any plastic lures we had. But they were destroying the worms my mom was using and pretty much always do.

*throws stick in the field with 15 deer* Fetch boy, fetch! Go get it!

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

That comment was in direct response to his comment. It was not to say I'm a better fisher and I'm not sure why you would read it as such. It was to prove that a lot of times equipment is more important that skill. In the case I suggested - no matter who was using the worms, it could be a 5 year old, they'd end up with a better fish count than even the best fisherman using plastic lures.

This summer we were fishing on the lake with lures and my mom was there from the shore fishing with a bobber and some worms - she smokes us. The point is that it's not always about skill. We knew were to fish - the fish just weren't biting that day, well, at least not any plastic lures we had. But they were destroying the worms my mom was using and pretty much always do.

Anytime, fish-off, you and me. You need skill to find where the fish have moved and figure out what bait to use. There are way to many things involved to describe over the internet how to fish believe me, it takes skill.

I just simply disagree. There are definitely skills acquired in fishing but I keep saying it - if I gave my wife a fishing pole with a worm on it and she went up against all of us with plastic lures - she's almost certainly win the fish count at the end of the day even though she's never fished a day in her life.

Like I said, if you know the basics (fish like to hide by cover) you can basically find the fish anywhere.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm sorry I didn't take a picture for you. Seems to me that my observation goes against even the best hunting skills.

Cause you're LYING. I know better.

It might have been less that 15, it was probably more like 6 lol. Doesn't change the fact that I could have easily shot one.

 

[lostleader]

Anytime, fish-off, you and me. You need skill to find where the fish have moved and figure out what bait to use. There are way to many things involved to describe over the internet how to fish believe me, it takes skill.

I just simply disagree. There are definitely skills acquired in fishing but I keep saying it - if I gave my wife a fishing pole with a worm on it and she went up against all of us with plastic lures - she's almost certainly win the fish count at the end of the day even though she's never fished a day in her life.

Like I said, if you know the basics (fish like to hide by cover) you can basically find the fish anywhere.

That is the key phrase. Little bait robbing blue gill do not count. Lets fish a bass tournament. You would cry, and I would make sure of it!

 

[greenandwhite95]

Anytime, fish-off, you and me. You need skill to find where the fish have moved and figure out what bait to use. There are way to many things involved to describe over the internet how to fish believe me, it takes skill.

I just simply disagree. There are definitely skills acquired in fishing but I keep saying it - if I gave my wife a fishing pole with a worm on it and she went up against all of us with plastic lures - she's almost certainly win the fish count at the end of the day even though she's never fished a day in her life.

Like I said, if you know the basics (fish like to hide by cover) you can basically find the fish anywhere.

You don't have knowledge to back your story up you keep referencing fishing with your mom or wife. I'm talking about fishing with someone who KNOWS how to fish. I could easily prove it too you. I'm not an IT guy like you so why would I question you about something computer realated or act like I know a lot about it because I have a general knowledge. You are soo thick headed sometimes guy.

 

[greenandwhite95]

I just simply disagree. There are definitely skills acquired in fishing but I keep saying it - if I gave my wife a fishing pole with a worm on it and she went up against all of us with plastic lures - she's almost certainly win the fish count at the end of the day even though she's never fished a day in her life.

Like I said, if you know the basics (fish like to hide by cover) you can basically find the fish anywhere.

That is the key phrase. Little bait robbing blue gill do not count. Lets fish a bass tournament. You would cry, and I would make sure of it!

He has no idea. Anywho, good luck in December if you haven't filled your Doe tag. I thik your gun season starts the first monday of December or somehing like that. Our gun starts next tuesday but hopefully I get MR 140 before that. Happy trails.