New England Vs. Seattle Super Bowl Game thread

[SpartyNash]

Wrong. People are saying it was a bad call because it was a bad call.

You don't send up Don Kelly to pinch hit when you have Miguel Cabrera as an option.

It was the single worst play call, for a variety of reasons, I have ever seen. End of story. The end.

I don't think that could have been put any better. I was and still am in absolute shock about that call, even if they would have completed that pass and gotten the TD, it still would have been a terrible play call.

 

[SpartyNash]

Also, although I had zero rooting interest since I hate both teams, before the INT I was wondering why the hell did the Pats not take a timeout once Seattle got the ball to the 1? Clock was under a minute and counting, and everyone in America figured the Hawks would just wind the clock down as far as they could and Lynch would punch it in with seconds to go. This argument is stupid now since they blew it, but had Seattle run the ball there and Lynch scores, New England would have had like 20 seconds left to score instead of 50 seconds.

 

[manchild98]

If you are dead set on passing there (which is completely mystifying to me), how about A. play action (since everyone in the world thought Lynch was getting the ball) or even B. throw something outside. But no, they through a slant into traffic.

They had timeouts, they had three more shots to get one yard with their horse. That's the worst decision I've ever seen in a big game.

This. I still give it to Marshawn on 2nd down because he just had a nice run the play before to get it down to the 1 and NE was reeling. But if you throw it on 2nd down then I'm going to at least play action it to Marshawn and look for a TE or have Wilson roll out and then he can throw it away or run it himself if need be. I would not have lined up in a shot gun formation and you just can't force a slant route into traffic like that. It's just an extremely bad play call.

 

[zyxt9]

Wrong. People are saying it was a bad call because it was a bad call.

You don't send up Don Kelly to pinch hit when you have Miguel Cabrera as an option.

It was the single worst play call, for a variety of reasons, I have ever seen. End of story. The end.

Ummm...this wasn't baseball. Football is a team sport.

DL was crashing and LBs keying on Lynch. Clean throwing lane. First WR is supposed to drive his DB back into Butler but didn't so Butler was able to get around the pick play. Quick slant which Wilson stared down the entire way allowing Butler to use his rookie instincts and attack in complete sellout on his guess. Butler never had an INT before, the OC knows that going in, knows Lynch is expected by everyone in the world to get the ball, has a mismatch with entire D p,aying run and a rookie DB makes an All-Pro level INT mostly because he wanted that ball more than anyone else. Lockette totally did not go after it, figuring the rookie DB would be picked and it would be an easy TD...which it would have been except for the unprecedented play by Butler. Literally one of the most impressive INTs of all time.

Watch the play unfold. It was a solid play call by OC, just poor execution by the players and incredible play by Butler. People are really not understanding what Butler did to get that ball. He deserves far more credit than the OC deserves blame. Unreal INT. Watch the play and understand it better before following the herd with the bad play call BS.

A better Super Bowl INT I cannot recall, including Harrison's vs Zona before the half. Harrison benefited from DC dropping him into position to make the INT, but his run back was probably the best ever. But in terms of getting to the right spot and beating the WR to it, I cannot recall a better job of getting the INT in a Super Bowl.

 

[zyxt9]

This. I still give it to Marshawn on 2nd down because he just had a nice run the play before to get it down to the 1 and NE was reeling. But if you throw it on 2nd down then I'm going to at least play action it to Marshawn and look for a TE or have Wilson roll out and then he can throw it away or run it himself if need be. I would not have lined up in a shot gun formation and you just can't force a slant route into traffic like that. It's just an extremely bad play call.

That traffic was not part of the play call. First WR is supposed to get at least 2 yards deeper to drive his DB into the rookie playing 5 yards back. Teams run that kind of pick play all the time with solid success rates, but when first WR doesn't drive deep enough and second WR doesn't go hard for the ball and the QB has stared it down too much, the second DB cqn make the play.

Part so many are missing is how the throwing lane was wide open due to DL crashing to stop Lynch. Clean shot, great call, very poor execution by O.

 

[zyxt9]

This INT should be called "the will to win" int, because without that Butler doesn't make that play. He 100% deserves a positive name attached to his play. Phenomenal effort.

 

[tomdalton22]

That traffic was not part of the play call. First WR is supposed to get at least 2 yards deeper to drive his DB into the rookie playing 5 yards back. Teams run that kind of pick play all the time with solid success rates, but when first WR doesn't drive deep enough and second WR doesn't go hard for the ball and the QB has stared it down too much, the second DB cqn make the play.

Part so many are missing is how the throwing lane was wide open due to DL crashing to stop Lynch. Clean shot, great call, very poor execution by O.

I still think it was a terrible call. Throwing the ball to the middle of the field where it is almost guaranteed to be a ton of players is a poor decision. The best play call would be a play fake to Lynch then roll Wilson with a run/pass option.

 

[zyxt9]

I still think it was a terrible call. Throwing the ball to the middle of the field where it is almost guaranteed to be a ton of players is a poor decision. The best play call would be a play fake to Lynch then roll Wilson with a run/pass option.

If I'm the OC, I probably make a similar rollout option for Wilson as my preference too, but I don't see thus play so much as a bad call but as poor execution combined with an All-Pro play by rookie DB.

 

[inkfreq]

It was the worst call ever because you essentially took your best weapon out of the game in the biggest situation you will face ever.

Seattle's OC says he did it to kill the clock. Sorry, makes no sense. If you run the ball, you work the clock no matter what. You throw the ball and either it's a TD; which stops the clock, an incomplete pass; which stops the clock, or an interception; which does manage to kill the clock, but not in any way you want to happen.

The effect he claims he was trying to achieve with that call can't be achieved by that call at all. Handing the ball to your best weapon from the one, with 30 seconds on the clock, and a timeout, is the ONLY intelligent plan from that area.

Yes, you want to run some time off it so Brady has less to work with. But you can't do that by passing. You need to run. Hand the ball off, and trust your defense to win the game. Since it's been the best defense in football for two straight years... you can probably trust them a little.

 

[biggunsbob]

It was a awful play call.. Butler even said he knew the formation so he backed off. That means that they cant even get a decent pick on him.. Wilson should have seen it and changed the play.. They have THREE more downs and a yard to go... No reason to throw on second down... You have Lynch and Wilson....The Play may be a good play and designed well but Given time and situation Running on that second down WAS CORRECT.. You still had third and fourth down to throw it...

 

[boogerlovejoy]

You have the best power running back in the NFL. An Oline that had played well so far. Your QB, if you want to throw....is possibly the best running QB in the game.......so what does the OC call?

Slant to the congested middle of the field. A three step drop and throw. You are making your QB do what he is actually worst at. He is a playmaker. Great deep ball. Not so much at a one option read.

There is honestly no way to defend that call. None. Saying it was bad is being nice. As ink explained....his excuse is as bad as the call. You cannot POSSIBLY waste time on the clock with that play. Extremely high risk play call in a situation where you absolutely do not need to take that risk.

What it did, essentially, is rob 53 players and an entire coaching staff a Super Bowl ring.

 

[biggunsbob]

You have the best power running back in the NFL. An Oline that had played well so far. Your QB, if you want to throw....is possibly the best running QB in the game.......so what does the OC call?

Slant to the congested middle of the field. A three step drop and throw. You are making your QB do what he is actually worst at. He is a playmaker. Great deep ball. Not so much at a one option read.

There is honestly no way to defend that call. None. Saying it was bad is being nice. As ink explained....his excuse is as bad as the call. You cannot POSSIBLY waste time on the clock with that play. Extremely high risk play call in a situation where you absolutely do not need to take that risk.

What it did, essentially, is rob 53 players and an entire coaching staff a Super Bowl ring.

Spot on B... Wilson was late on the throw. Butler knew the formation due to studying film. Nothing good can happen from this play.. Even if he does not intercept the pass like you said it could be tipped.... Butler even said he step back so he couldn't get pick.. Wilson should have checked out of the play... Seattle has Wilson and Lynch and they throw a slant with a pick at the one :/

 

[turok]

The inevitable SB MVP Brady still would have won the game, likely with no time left on the clock, on a Hail Mary TD pass from NE's own 40-something yard line anyway, had Seattle scored on 2nd down and 1, since it was an option in the NFL brass' endgame script.

On the Seahawks' previous possession, they went 3 and out, this despite an obvious but somehow "missed" Pats DB PI on 1st down when their WR was grabbed by the ankle and tripped as the DB fell down. should have resulted in another Seattle 1st down ~midfield.

To take it even further, using some LKP logic...Patriots should have lost to the Seahawks, who should have lost to the Packers, who should have lost to the Cowboys, who should have lost to the Lions who should be the TRUE SB Champions!!

However, a Pats SB win, esp. with their QB being awarded MVP removes and cools most of the heat left from Deflategate, b/c they would beat the best team in the NFC in the Seahawks and prevent them from repeating as SB Champs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Wrong. People are saying it was a bad call because it was a bad call.

You don't send up Don Kelly to pinch hit when you have Miguel Cabrera as an option.

It was the single worst play call, for a variety of reasons, I have ever seen. End of story. The end.

Don freakin' Kelly.

 

[newton83]

It was the worst call ever because you essentially took your best weapon out of the game in the biggest situation you will face ever.

Seattle's OC says he did it to kill the clock. Sorry, makes no sense. If you run the ball, you work the clock no matter what. You throw the ball and either it's a TD; which stops the clock, an incomplete pass; which stops the clock, or an interception; which does manage to kill the clock, but not in any way you want to happen.

The effect he claims he was trying to achieve with that call can't be achieved by that call at all. Handing the ball to your best weapon from the one, with 30 seconds on the clock, and a timeout, is the ONLY intelligent plan from that area.

Yes, you want to run some time off it so Brady has less to work with. But you can't do that by passing. You need to run. Hand the ball off, and trust your defense to win the game. Since it's been the best defense in football for two straight years... you can probably trust them a little.

He probably meant "kill the clock" as a way of saying stop the clock. I'm sure you've heard the QB yelling out "Kill! Kill!" just before spiking the ball in the 2-minute drill. If you don't score the touchdown the clock stops and you save enough time to run on 3rd, and have a chance for 4th using the TO.

That said, I don't agree with the play call at all, throwing a slant there was ridiculous. If you're going to pass it, throw to the outside and include PA with a roll out, so your QB has more options. Doing a 3-step drop with a quick throw doesn't really play to Wilson's strengths.

I would have probably ran it on 2nd down (and not let quite so much time off the clock after 1st), that way you have time to run it on 3rd and call a TO to do whatever on 4th.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree worst call ever. But just for fun lets say you run and get stuffed. That forces you to use your final timeout and youre looking at 3rd and goal with about :28 sec left and no timeouts. So now youre almost forced to throw twice and new england knows it. An incomplete pass on 2nd down makes it 3rd and goal with a stopped clock and every play in your playbook avail to you. If you were ever going to pass the ball in that set of downs 2nd down was probably the right time to do it.

That being said he should have ran it 3 times. ..what a fucking idiot lol.

I truly think he wanted wilson to be the hero and not the thug marshawn.

 

[inkfreq]

He probably meant "kill the clock" as a way of saying stop the clock. I'm sure you've heard the QB yelling out "Kill! Kill!" just before spiking the ball in the 2-minute drill. If you don't score the touchdown the clock stops and you save enough time to run on 3rd, and have a chance for 4th using the TO.

That said, I don't agree with the play call at all, throwing a slant there was ridiculous. If you're going to pass it, throw to the outside and include PA with a roll out, so your QB has more options. Doing a 3-step drop with a quick throw doesn't really play to Wilson's strengths.

I would have probably ran it on 2nd down (and not let quite so much time off the clock after 1st), that way you have time to run it on 3rd and call a TO to do whatever on 4th.

He specifically said last night they wanted to make sure they didn't leave Brady any time to come back down field. So I don't think he meant stop the clock... he meant run the clock out.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No love for NE but I can't stand Caroll so I'm happy about the result.

 

[zyxt9]

He specifically said last night they wanted to make sure they didn't leave Brady any time to come back down field. So I don't think he meant stop the clock... he meant run the clock out.

What he more or less actually said was if they score a TD on that play then they will take it but if not then they used up some clock which was important too so as to give Brady as little time as possible to go down and score. He said he was ok if the play resulted in a TD. Listen for that part of the statement, its there when you are ready to hear it.

 

[zyxt9]

If you are the coach, OC, or quarterback, you want to run a play against the weakest link in the defense. Without hesitation every single person would identify Butler as that weakest link. It was incredible that he made that play, one that even Revis would have difficulty making. Vast majority of the time the DB is thrilled just to breakup that pass, to have intercepted it...unreal.