NFC Playoff Thread

[tomdalton22]

The Lions defense did enough. The Lions couldn't beat McCoy in the snow or overcome 5 turnovers and a FG drive extended by the refs. But the fact the Lions lost to them means Foles could have beat Rodgers too. And maybe Packers got lucky facing Falcons instead of revived Bucs under Glennon.

Romo/very injured Cowboys D or Matt Ryan couldn't beat Flynn.

you are the king of excuse makers! It gets pretty old!

 

[UMRules06]

I completely agree that we need a healthy Reggie Bush. He makes a huge difference when completely healthy in good playing conditions.

But life isn't fair. Every team doesn't get the same amount of injuries. This entire discussion is based on the fact that basically everyone but you understands that the Packers and Bears have survived their injuries and taken advantage of opportunities they've been given by the Lions. The Lions on the other hand, have not taken advantage of the opportunities given to them by the Bears and Packers. It's as simple as that.

I'll be happy if the Lions make the playoffs and win a playoff game, but I'll still be disappointed with their performance in the regular season. They lost too many winnable games. Period.

Exactly right. Again this whole line of discussion is silly. If there's one thing that is certain in life it is that SHIT HAPPENS. It's how you deal with it that defines what type of person you are. It's no different in sports. How well do you adapt to the unforeseen circumstances? It sucks when it happens to our teams, but that doesn't mean we should start making excuses for them. They have let at least 2 games slip away from them that they should have won. You can't play the "well if we had this guy healthy then we would have won" card. It's a cop out and an excuse and it doesn't help anything. You can just as easily say "well if only McCoy had gotten hurt in the 1st quarter the Lions would have won too!" It's useless.

 

[grandy]

Want to talk team health?

Week 12 against a bad 2-8 Bucs team, going in the Lions were the healthiest they've ever been since week 1, everyone practicing. Sitting comfortably at the top of the NFC North holding the head-to-head tiebreak over Chicago. Playing at Ford Field against a rookie backup.

How'd that turn out?

Can't remember the excuse for that game, but I'm sure there was at least one.

 

[UMRules06]

Want to talk team health?

Week 12 against a bad 2-8 Bucs team, going in the Lions were the healthiest they've ever been since week 1, everyone practicing. Sitting comfortably at the top of the NFC North holding the head-to-head tiebreak over Chicago. Playing at Ford Field against a rookie backup.

How'd that turn out?

Can't remember the excuse for that game, but I'm sure there was at least one.

That's the Lions only true loss this year didn't you know that? They are actually a 12-1 team plagued by bad luck and injuries.

 

[grandy]

Let's not forget that this scrub

torched our defense.

 

[tomdalton22]

Want to talk team health?

Week 12 against a bad 2-8 Bucs team, going in the Lions were the healthiest they've ever been since week 1, everyone practicing. Sitting comfortably at the top of the NFC North holding the head-to-head tiebreak over Chicago. Playing at Ford Field against a rookie backup.

How'd that turn out?

Can't remember the excuse for that game, but I'm sure there was at least one.

here are a few from our favorit Lions excuse maker:

Originally Posted by LKP
that is what should happen for fumbles like that. They go out of bounds. Durhams fumble was pure bad luck. Tampa got incredibly lucky.

The Lions dominated that game.

Plus the Bucs fumbled once but luckily recovered.

Originally Posted by LKP
Stafford made game winning plays. Lions defense dominated.

Lions still in first. Time to dominate Green Bay

Originally Posted by LKP
Lots of positives in this game except for fluke turnovers. Bring on GB

Originally Posted by LKP
And it was a great play by Stafford. Only 1 pick truly on Stafford.

Originally Posted by LKP
David did not catch that ball
Pettigrew should have looked not ducked
Calvin off his hands.

Only one on Stafford. You can't count.


Originally Posted by LKP
Bucs .9 YPC. Point 9

Glennon had one big pass when Houston got hurt on the play.

Total bullshit


Originally Posted by LKP
Plus Durham fumble is complete shit bad luck too. That ball easily goes out of bounds.

Bucs fumbled once but luckily recovered on special teams too


Originally Posted by LKP
It was a true win for Stafford. Turnovers are frustating but really flukey. This team turns it around on Thanksgiving. Far from over.

Originally Posted by LKP
The pick 6 wasn't on Stafford. On pettigrew
And the first pick wasn't even caught. They should have reviewed that shit better. Ridiculous.

Lions in first. 3rd seed and time to get hot

Originally Posted by LKP
Houston got hurt on the TD. Only reason he gave up the big bomb.




Originally Posted by tomdalton22
The maiden voyage for the Titanic was a huge success...hitting that iceburg was a fluke. Other than that it was a great trip!

 

[UMRules06]

here are a few from our favorit Lions excuse maker:

Originally Posted by LKP
that is what should happen for fumbles like that. They go out of bounds. Durhams fumble was pure bad luck. Tampa got incredibly lucky.

The Lions dominated that game.

Plus the Bucs fumbled once but luckily recovered.

Originally Posted by LKP
Stafford made game winning plays. Lions defense dominated.

Lions still in first. Time to dominate Green Bay

Originally Posted by LKP
Lots of positives in this game except for fluke turnovers. Bring on GB

Originally Posted by LKP
And it was a great play by Stafford. Only 1 pick truly on Stafford.

Originally Posted by LKP
David did not catch that ball
Pettigrew should have looked not ducked
Calvin off his hands.

Only one on Stafford. You can't count.


Originally Posted by LKP
Bucs .9 YPC. Point 9

Glennon had one big pass when Houston got hurt on the play.

Total bullshit


Originally Posted by LKP
Plus Durham fumble is complete shit bad luck too. That ball easily goes out of bounds.

Bucs fumbled once but luckily recovered on special teams too


Originally Posted by LKP
It was a true win for Stafford. Turnovers are frustating but really flukey. This team turns it around on Thanksgiving. Far from over.

Originally Posted by LKP
The pick 6 wasn't on Stafford. On pettigrew
And the first pick wasn't even caught. They should have reviewed that shit better. Ridiculous.

Lions in first. 3rd seed and time to get hot

Originally Posted by LKP
Houston got hurt on the TD. Only reason he gave up the big bomb.




Originally Posted by tomdalton22
The maiden voyage for the Titanic was a huge success...hitting that iceburg was a fluke. Other than that it was a great trip!

Ahh my mistake. The Lions should actually be 13-0 apparently!

 

[LKP]

Lions should be. Turnovers saving the haters. We'll see how they finish.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lions should be. Turnovers saving the haters. We'll see how they finish.

If they make the playoffs they will finish with a loss

 

[LKP]

If they make the playoffs they will finish with a loss

They could win the next 7 games. They are that talented and the coaching staff is that good.

 

[mhughes0021]

They could win the next 7 games. They are that talented and the coaching staff is that good.

and that's why we lost 3 of the last 4 to shit teams lol. coaching is THAT good!

 

[UMRules06]

Lions should be. Turnovers saving the haters. We'll see how they finish.

Seriously? I appreciate that you are an optimist because thats normally how I am, but you can't possibly be serious. You must just enjoy having internet banter if you're going as far as to say the Lions should be 13-0.

And fans who criticize the team are not "haters." We all want the team to do well, it's not like we're closet Bears fans and relish in the Lions failures. If they win the next 3 and go to the Super Bowl I will be as happy as you or anyone else who posts here. There's nothing wrong with asking for accountability when the team does not live up to its potential, which it has not. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[grandy]

Edit: wrong thread

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lions should be. Turnovers saving the haters. We'll see how they finish.

Yeah okay.

 

[cheeno]

Well I hate them.

 

[grandy]

Updated

 

[grandy]

Division Clinching Scenarios

W = Win
T = Tie
L = Loss
Ordered chronologically by games left


NFC East
Philadelphia (8-6)
Dallas (7-7)

Remaining Games
Philadelphia (vs Chicago, @ Dallas)
Dallas (@ Washington, vs Philadelphia)

Dallas currently has the head-to-head advantage of 1-0 against Philadelphia (with one game between them to go)


Philadelphia scenarios
WW = Wins East (10-6)
WT = Wins East (9-6-1)
WL = Wins East (9-7) if Dallas loses/ties against Washington
TW = Wins East (9-6-1)
TT = Wins East (8-6-2)
TL = Wins East (8-7-1) if Dallas loses against Washington
LW = Wins East (9-7)
LT = Wins East (8-7-1) if Dallas loses/ties against Washington
LL = Out (8-8)

Dallas scenarios
WW = Wins East (9-7)
WT = Wins East (8-7-1) if Philadelphia loses against Chicago
WL = Out (8-8)
TW = Wins East (8-7-1) if Philadelphia loses/ties against Chicago
TT = Out (7-7-2)
TL = Out (7-8-1)
LW = Wins East (8-8) if Philadelphia loses against Chicago
LT = Out (7-8-1)
LL = Out (7-9)



NFC North
Chicago (8-6)
Green Bay (7-6-1)
Detroit (7-7)

Remaining Games
Chicago (@ Philadelphia, vs Green Bay)
Green Bay (vs Pittsburgh, @ Chicago)
Detroit (vs NY Giants, @ Minnesota)

Detroit holds the 2-0 head-to-head tiebreak over Chicago
Detroit holds the division record advantage over Green Bay
Detroit holds the three-way tiebreaker (combined head-to-head)
Chicago currently holds the 1-0 head-to-head tiebreak over Green Bay (with one game between them left)


It'll be easier to break this down based on the outcome of the Green Bay/Chicago game

Scenario 1: Chicago beats Green Bay
Chicago (9-6)
Green Bay (7-7-1)
Detroit (7-7)

Chicago Scenarios (@ Philadelphia)
W = Wins North (10-6)
T = Wins North (9-6-1)
L = Wins North (9-7) if Detroit loses/ties against NY Giants or Minnesota

Green Bay Scenarios (vs Pittsburgh)
W = Out (8-7-1)
T = Out (7-7-2)
L = Out (7-8-1)

Detroit Scenarios
WW = Wins North (9-7) if Chicago loses against Philadelphia
WT = Out (8-7-1)
WL = Out (8-8)
TW = Out (8-7-1)
TT = Out (7-7-2)
TL = Out (7-8-1)
LW = Out (8-8)
LT = Out (7-8-1)
LL = Out (7-9)


Scenario 2: Chicago and Green Bay tie
Chicago (8-6-1)
Green Bay (7-6-2)
Detroit (7-7)

Chicago Scenarios (@ Philadelphia)
W = Wins North (9-6-1)
T = Wins North (8-6-2) if Detroit loses/ties against NY Giants or Minnesota
L = Wins North (8-7-1) if Detroit loses against NY Giants or Minnesota or ties both AND Green Bay loses/ties against Pittsburgh

Green Bay Scenarios (vs Pittsburgh)
W = Wins North (8-6-2) if Chicago loses against Philadelphia AND Detroit loses/ties against NY Giants or Minnesota
T = Wins North (7-6-3) if Chicago loses against Philadelphia AND Detroit loses against NY Giants or Minnesota or ties both
L = Out (7-7-2)

Detroit Scenarios
WW = Wins North (9-7) if Chicago loses/ties against Philadelphia
WT = Wins North (8-7-1) if Chicago loses against Philadelphia AND Green Bay loses/ties against Pittsburgh
WL = Out (8-8)
TW = Wins North (8-7-1) if Chicago loses against Philadelphia AND Green Bay loses/ties against Pittsburgh
TT = Out (7-7-2)
TL = Out (7-8-1)
LW = Out (8-8)
LT = Out (7-8-1)
LL = Out (7-9)


Scenario 3: Green Bay beats Chicago
Chicago (8-7)
Green Bay (8-6-1)
Detroit (7-7)

Chicago Scenarios (@ Philadelphia)
W = Wins North (9-7) if Detroit loses/ties against NY Giants or Minnesota AND Green Bay loses against Pittsburgh
T = Out (8-7-1)
L = Out (8-8)

Green Bay Scenarios (vs Pittsburgh)
W = Wins North (9-6-1)
T = Wins North (8-6-2) if Detroit loses/ties against NY Giants or Minnesota
L = Wins North (8-7-1) if Chicago loses/ties against Philadelphia AND Detroit loses against NY Giants or Minnesota or ties both

Detroit Scenarios
WW = Wins North (9-7) if Chicago loses/ties against Philadelphia AND Green Bay loses/ties against Pittsburgh
WT = Wins North (8-7-1) if Chicago loses/ties against Philadelphia AND Green Bay loses against Pittsburgh
WL = Out (8-8)
TW = Wins North (8-7-1) if Chicago loses/ties against Philadelphia AND Green Bay loses against Pittsburgh
TT = Out (7-7-2)
TL = Out (7-8-1)
LW = Out (8-8)
LT = Out (7-8-1)
LL = Out (7-9)


NFC South
New Orleans (10-4)
Carolina (10-4)

Remaining Games
New Orleans (@ Carolina, vs Tampa Bay)
Carolina (vs New Orleans, @ Atlanta)

New Orleans currently holds the 1-0 head-to-head tiebreak over Carolina (with one game between them left)


New Orleans scenarios
WW = Wins South (12-4)
WT = Wins South (11-4-1)
WL = Wins South (11-5)
TW = Wins South (11-4-1)
TT = Wins South (10-4-2) if Carolina loses/ties against Atlanta
TL = Wins South (10-5-1) if Carolina loses against Atlanta
LW = Wins South (11-5) if Carolina loses against Atlanta
LT = Out (10-5-1)
LL = Out (10-6)

Carolina scenarios
WW = Wins South (12-4)
WT = Wins South (11-4-1)
WL = Wins South (11-5) if New Orleans loses/ties against Tampa Bay
TW = Wins South (11-4-1) if New Orleans loses/ties against Tampa Bay
TT = Wins South (10-4-2) if New Orleans loses against Tampa Bay
TL = Out (10-5-1)
LW = Out (11-5)
LT = Out (10-5-1)
LL = Out (10-6)


NFC West
Seattle (12-2)
San Francisco (10-4)

Remaining Games
Seattle (vs Arizona, vs St. Louis)
San Francisco (vs Atlanta, @ Arizona)


Seattle scenarios
WW = Wins West (14-2)
WT = Wins West (13-2-1)
WL = Wins West (13-3)
TW = Wins West (13-2-1)
TT = Wins West (12-2-2)
TL = Wins West (12-3-1)
LW = Wins West (13-3)
LT = Wins West (12-3-1)
LL = Wins West (12-4) if San Francisco loses/ties against Atlanta or Arizona

San Francisco scenarios
WW = Wins West (12-4) if Seattle loses against Arizona and St. Louis
WT = Out (11-4-1)
WL = Out (11-5)
TW = Out (11-4-1)
TT = Out (10-4-2)
TL = Out (10-5-1)
LW = Out (11-5)
LT = Out (10-5-1)
LL = Out (10-6)

 

[grandy]

Finished up the North scenarios, it was a mess (especially if Chicago and GB tie)

To keep it simple

NFC East
If either Dallas or Philadelphia win out, that team wins the division
Philadelphia wins the East if they beat Dallas in week 17


NFC North
If Chicago or GB wins out, that team wins the division
If Detroit loses another game, they are out
GB can't win the North if they lose to Chicago in week 17


NFC South
If either Carolina or New Orleans win out, that team wins the division
New Orleans wins the South if they beat Carolina in week 16


NFC West
If Seattle wins or ties one more game, they win the West
The only way SF can win the West is if they win out and Seattle loses out

 

[grandy]

Detroit and SF are the only teams that don't control their own destiny in winning the division (i.e. they still need help if they win out)

 

[LKP]

So Detroit needs 2-0 and GB and Chicago to lose once in either of their 2 games. That really isn't that improbable but it feels like it after 1-4 in the last 5. Steelers and Eagles won't just lay down. Especially Eagles at home. This week one team has to lose or it's over though.


Dallas really screwed us. I'd feel alot more confident if just Chicago had to lose once.


And if Detroit goes 5-1 division and doesn't win division or make the playoffs, that would just boggle my mind.