No Justice No Peace

[Gulo Blue]

This, IMO, is one of the saddest results of MLK being assassinated, for he would have rightfully placed the blame onto the blacks who perpetuate the problem

I don't recall that speech.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Not to long ago I saw a documentary piece about how supportive the Jewish community was of the Black community during the times of MLK, joining them in many marches and often being arrested alongside the black protestors.

When Malcolm X and his ilk became the new leaders, they wanted to replace all of the Jewish and other white teachers because they wanted only blacks to teach blacks.

From this, the logical reader would take it that you are inferring that Malcom X "and his ilk" became the new leaders after the period of time that MLK had been the leader; which the logical person would assume MLK's tenure of leadership ended at the time of his death.

If that's what you're saying...

If that's what you're saying...

At the time of MLK's death....

MALCOLM X HAD ALREADY BEEN DEAD FOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS!!!

Jesus fucking Christ!

Jesus fucking Christ!!!

Know what you're talking about!

You completely de-legitimize anything else you might have to say when you say wacky shit like this!!!!

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't recall that speech.

King did actually talk about things like this within the black community; however, the problems of systemic social injustice were much bigger problems during most of his life as a civil rights activist.

King outlived the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by only four years, and he had started as a civil rights activist about a decade before its passage.

 

[Michchamp]

I agree with the idea that this explains violence, but does not justify it. But "by design"? Really?

so you think blacks just don't like going to school and getting educated like white people do? theyre underepresented in public universities just because... it's genetic or racial or cultural then, I suppose. is that what you think? you and spartanracist have more in common than i thought.

 

[Michchamp]

it's such bullshit the media are focusing on looting... as if like mitch says it's just about scoring some sweet nikes for free.

you'll have to dig to find anything about how particularly abusive the BPD was, and how the local police union just crushed all attempts at introducing reforms aimed at allowing state prosecutors and state-level authorities tk investigate and decide to charge officers involved i shootings. no... the avg. American doesnt need to know about that. instead here's video of a CVS getting looted and a mom smacking her son around. derrr!

for as much as Republitards hate unions, they hold their tongues and pay up when it's the police union. they know who they rely on to crack the heads of their wage slaves when they step out of line.

 

[Monster]

This drives me crazy....

Man 1 cuts a fire hose with a knife to stop fire fighters from putting out a fire. Man 2 shouts insults at officers, taunting them. Man 3 throws a brick and runs away.

This behavior is then followed by celebration from people around them, screaming "Hands up don't shoot." Sorry, Fuck Faces! You don't get to be a fucking dick, or even a criminal, and then act like you didn't do anything wrong.

Oh and as I'm watching, an idiot in the crowd threw something at cops. The crowd tried to stop him, taking him away. He then came back and threw something again. Cops came for him and the crowd got angry at the cops. More things were thrown at them. Cops didn't beat him, didn't hit him. Didn't fire at him. They grabbed him and he tried fighting back. Seriously?

 

[Michchamp]

you've never heard of agent provacateurs?

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's such bullshit the media are focusing on looting...

Oh, I don't know...the looting and destruction is the most immediate news that's happening right now.

I mean Freddy's already dead, and has been for a while...

nothing new about that.

 

[Michchamp]

Oh, I don't know...the looting and destruction is the most immediate news that's happening right now.

I mean Freddy's already dead, and has been for a while...

nothing new about that.

why there is rioting should be at least as big of a story, if not more so.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Those people don't care about the boy. If you really think those people last night wanted justice, michgramp, I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[zyxt9]

WHAT?

What the hell did Malcolm X "and his ilk" ever become the leaders of?

Malcolm X was part of a fringe group whose single claim to legitimacy was that the leader had managed, to a degree, to brainwash the then naive heavy weight champion of the world, and United States Olympic hero (and political hero in the eyes of many, not so much in the eyes of others); who ended up having Malcolm X assassinated.

I'm often stunned at some of the wacky shit you say.

WTF? First you ask what he ever became a leader of, then say "that the leader".

You do realize attaining leadership is not accomplished instantaneously for most people, that they tend to start with a few followers and that grows over time. How many blacks find inspiration in MX? How many quote him, particularly during rioting/violence?

But let's not use my opinion here, let's first start with a definition of Leadership according to dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leadership

As for how many quote him (which is equivalent to looking to him for guidance which is in the definition for leadership), let's just consider this site for a moment:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/malcolm_x.html
That's quite a few pages of quotes there, so that's a pretty good foundation.

Finally, let's google whether or not MX was ever a leader of the black community:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=was+Malcolm+X+a+leader+of+the+black+community

Do I need to continue with this exercise? MX is viewed as a leader among the black community.

Pretty wacky shit, eh?

 

[zyxt9]

I don't recall that speech.

He was assassinated before ever having the chance unfortunately.

 

[tinselwolverine]

why there is rioting should be at least as big of a story, if not more so.

I have heard plenty of people involved with the protests having their say on television news coverage in Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York and Los Angeles, and anywhere else these events have been taking place over the course of the past year or so.

I am very familiar with their perspectives on things; and I have come to this awareness through the media coverage.

 

[zyxt9]

From this, the logical reader would take it that you are inferring that Malcom X "and his ilk" became the new leaders after the period of time that MLK had been the leader; which the logical person would assume MLK's tenure of leadership ended at the time of his death.

If that's what you're saying...

If that's what you're saying...

At the time of MLK's death....

MALCOLM X HAD ALREADY BEEN DEAD FOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS!!!

Jesus fucking Christ!

Jesus fucking Christ!!!

Know what you're talking about!

You completely de-legitimize anything else you might have to say when you say wacky shit like this!!!!

what part of "his ilk", aka those who had similar mindset and followed his leadership and consequently becoming influential of the black community at a minimum and perpetuated his position enough that MX's views were and still are viewed by the black community as a point of guidance.

seriously, what is your problem? if you don't understand and need clarification, i'll provide it. I am also willing to admit when I've made a mistake, as I am a human after all and will make mistakes. I apologize for any confusion my posts may have created, again, I am not perfect. I also do not expect you to be perfect, but please be at least a little bit respectful as your posts lately are becoming more aggressive and rude, to be frank. I appreciate your humor, I (usually) get when you are making a good joke, having some fun, etc. the past few posts are obviously not that type. not expecting an apology, but please reduce the hostility toward me as I'm finding it completely unnecessary and unfounded. sorry for pissing you (or anyone else) off, that was far from my intention.

 

[tinselwolverine]

WTF? First you ask what he ever became a leader of, then say "that the leader".

You do realize attaining leadership is not accomplished instantaneously for most people, that they tend to start with a few followers and that grows over time. How many blacks find inspiration in MX? How many quote him, particularly during rioting/violence?

But let's not use my opinion here, let's first start with a definition of Leadership according to dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leadership

As for how many quote him (which is equivalent to looking to him for guidance which is in the definition for leadership), let's just consider this site for a moment:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/malcolm_x.html
That's quite a few pages of quotes there, so that's a pretty good foundation.

Finally, let's google whether or not MX was ever a leader of the black community:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=was+Malcolm+X+a+leader+of+the+black+community

Do I need to continue with this exercise? MX is viewed as a leader among the black community.

Pretty wacky shit, eh?

Wow.

All those links really prove he wasn't part of a fringe.

Here's a few links for you.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/flat-earth-society-psychology_n_2038198.html
http://science.howstuffworks.com/space-conspiracy-theory8.htm

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

You can go to them all if you want to, but to save you some time, they're links to stories about people who believe the earth is flat.

Was he the leader of a fringe group within a fringe group? Of course he was.

Not to long ago I saw a documentary piece about how supportive the Jewish community was of the Black community during the times of MLK, joining them in many marches and often being arrested alongside the black protestors.

When Malcolm X and his ilk became the new leaders, they wanted to replace all of the Jewish and other white teachers because they wanted only blacks to teach blacks.

This implies - actually it states - that you view Malcolm X and his ilk becoming leaders what ML King led after King's tenure of being the leader of what he led.

That's ridiculous.

If that isn't what you meant, it's still what you said.

 

[tinselwolverine]

not expecting an apology, but please reduce the hostility toward me as I'm finding it completely unnecessary and unfounded. sorry for pissing you (or anyone else) off, that was far from my intention.

I'm not pissed off; I like you, you just frustrate me sometimes.

If I seem a little hostile I'm cyber yelling at you the way Seinfeld and George Castanza would yell at each other...but seriously...you have some good thoughts, but they do get bogged down when you say things like Malcolm X and his ilk became the new leaders after the leadership of ML King...

I was an English teacher, and it's frustrating...

 

[tigermud]

BALTIMORE RIOTS: STUNNING COMMENTS BY ORIOLES OWNER’S SON
Political elite "plunged tens of millions of good hard-working Americans into economic devastation," says Angelos

Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela, and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, an ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importance of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ball game irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.”

Not exactly what the US Department of Truth wanted to hear.

http://www.infowars.com/baltimore-riots-stunning-comments-by-orioles-owners-son/

truth up

 

[zyxt9]

so you think blacks just don't like going to school and getting educated like white people do? theyre underepresented in public universities just because... it's genetic or racial or cultural then, I suppose. is that what you think? you and spartanracist have more in common than i thought.

I think the factors are wide-ranging and varied, so applying a singular solution is not going to solve the issues. finances, bad teachers, influential community/cultural groups who are anti-education and prosperity (right up until they individually get money, right?), lack of parenting (from being sick or working too many jobs just to survive, to being in jail, on drugs, or just dead-beat parents), and likely many other factors.

this is why there are so many organizations and equal opportunity acts, because there is no simple solution. unfortunately, another problem is most of these elements designed to help are separate entities and don't work well together to solve the probable multiple issues at play for each individual. help is needed, but misguided and undirected help does little to change all of the problems.

 

[zyxt9]

I'm not pissed off; I like you, you just frustrate me sometimes.

If I seem a little hostile I'm cyber yelling at you the way Seinfeld and George Castanza would yell at each other...but seriously...you have some good thoughts, but they do get bogged down when you say things like Malcolm X and his ilk became the new leaders after the leadership of ML King...

I was an English teacher, and it's frustrating...

Ah, ok...that's cool and I get it now. Thanks for the clarification and again, sorry for the confusion. I was more of a math/science type of kid...the kind that likely frustrated you the most when you were teaching...and still to this day! lol

 

[zyxt9]

Oh, and tinsel...I know I need a good Gibbs slap now and then, so thanks for being there for me!