No Justice No Peace

[TheVictors]

I guess Baltimore always seemed like a tinderbox and closer to something like this than many other cities. Detroit has rioted, LA and New Orleans... St. Louis. Seems you could draw a common line through those communities and look at long term systemic suppression in many ways finally coming to a breaking point.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Damn those guys are literally out on the streets trying to sell their rap CDs during a riot. Now THAT is capitalism and self-promotion.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Was that guy there on the tricycle a midget?

There are very few things in the world that can diffuse tensions like a midget on a tricycle can.

 

[zyxt9]

it's funny you write that in response to claim the variance in education is not a systemic problem, and yet you still more or less feel that black americans have no basis to conplain.

some of you racist fucks should stop beating around the bush and just own it: if you think African Americans have no basis to complain about police brutality, their economic situation, lack of education, lack of even a means to get an education, certainly then you must feel african americans are in some way inferior. right? and then have only themselves to blame. theyre lazy, stupid, dishonest, or violent

right? you think African Americans have higher rates of unemployment, incarceration, are more likely to be killed by police or subject to police violence, have worse infrastructure in their communities, fewer schools, etc. just because reasons?

I'm trying to think of what non-racist excuse you could come up with if you otherwise buy that GOP canard about institutional racism being over in the US.

or are you going to tell me that liberals are to blame because of unemployment benefits & foodstamps. if that's the case post the fucking evidence of it.

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with this due to so many baseless statements.

Being dealt a shitty hand happens to people of every background. There are an amazing number of resources around to help, especially minorities, provided they simply ask for it and try. No one said life is fair or easy, but stop acting like people deserve to be made rich because their lives are tough. Do they deserve a chance, yes...but news flash, they have the opportunities in terms of education and financial assistance if they take just a little initiative to better their lives and/or their childrens. They don't deserve to be punished or put down due to their situation, but they also don't deserve to have it all given to them on a silver platter without putting in effort if they are physically and/or mentally able to positively contribute to society.

As for the police brutality, that shit needed to stop long ago. Alas, the issue is going to be addressed. I still recommend it be done peacefully in order to maximize the participants from all backgrounds. Obama can fix the problem if he so chooses.

 

[zyxt9]

Was that guy there on the tricycle a midget?

There are very few things in the world that can diffuse tensions like a midget on a tricycle can.

Damn that is funny, wish I had seen it. Was it one of those things where everyone paused to try and process the sight, or were they mostly oblivious to it?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Damn that is funny, wish I had seen it. Was it one of those things where everyone paused to try and process the sight, or were they mostly oblivious to it?

Turns out it was neither a tricycle nor a midget, just kind of a squatty dude on a small bicycle. It did look like he was trying to diffuse tensions though, being between the police and the demonstrators as it turned it to curfew.

Next time he might actually try being an actual midget on an actual tricycle.

 

[Michchamp]

1) people don't give a crap who they leave poor if it makes them money and 2) millions of biased or racist people acting independently kill though 1,000 little cuts. But please, explain your conspiracy theory spanning decades and multiple administrations and how I'm a racist if I don't think that's the simplest explanation.

Oh...

It's not that you're racist, you're just incredibly naive.

Here's a starting point with some information.

Ever heard of Jim Crow laws? Redlining? Plessy v. Ferguson?

Plessy was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. But despite that, throughout the country municipalities resisted school integration and bussing. In our own state of Michigan, Milliken v. Bradley came down in 1974, and similar cases put an end to federal and state action in terms of forcing integration on a reluctant, hostile and generally racist white population.

These days, while overt or explicitly stated discriminatory laws are rejected as unconstitutional, you still have racist gerrymandering, and other incentives intended to roll back the rights of minorities, particularly African American minorities, like Voter ID laws, which even notable Republican & right-leaning Judges have stopped being fooled by.

you can try to argue that these were just motivated by individual racists within government, and there's no pattern or overall intent, and you maybe right (and would certainly be a popular speaker at CPAC, StormFront, etc.), but these actions have been so pervasive and devasting to African American communities throughout the country and its entire history that I think it's fair to say the situation of blacks today (education in particular, but also wealth, safety, health, and civil rights) is the result of a calculated, consistent policy of totally screwing them over.

 

[tsmith7559]

Oh...

It's not that you're racist, you're just incredibly naive.

Here's a starting point with some information.

Ever heard of Jim Crow laws? Redlining? Plessy v. Ferguson?

Plessy was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. But despite that, throughout the country municipalities resisted school integration and bussing. In our own state of Michigan, Milliken v. Bradley came down in 1974, and similar cases put an end to federal and state action in terms of forcing integration on a reluctant, hostile and generally racist white population.

These days, while overt or explicitly stated discriminatory laws are rejected as unconstitutional, you still have racist gerrymandering, and other incentives intended to roll back the rights of minorities, particularly African American minorities, like Voter ID laws, which even notable Republican & right-leaning Judges have stopped being fooled by.

you can try to argue that these were just motivated by individual racists within government, and there's no pattern or overall intent, and you maybe right (and would certainly be a popular speaker at CPAC, StormFront, etc.), but these actions have been so pervasive and devasting to African American communities throughout the country and its entire history that I think it's fair to say the situation of blacks today (education in particular, but also wealth, safety, health, and civil rights) is the result of a calculated, consistent policy of totally screwing them over.

Blah, blah, blah. What screwed them over was your hero LBJ and his great socialist society. Welfare and other social programs have devastated the black family, take a look at the black family in the early 60's. Black children born out of wedlock in 1965 was 8% it's now 72%...when a single mother of 2 children can get up to 36,000 in benefits from the state of maryland, why work, this goes for all races, but the welfare state of LBJ targeted the black community. Baltimore and detroit have been under lib riule for almost 50 yrs. Baltimore police dept is 50% black with a black chief and mayor, 9 out of 15 councilman are black, the population is 63% black. The black downfall comes from not taking any personal responsibilty, graduation rates are pathetic. JiM crow laws,lol, still blaming that? Those were Dems in the south, al gores daddy and clinton's hero J William Fulbright.....

 

[Michchamp]

Blah, blah, blah. ... The black downfall comes from not taking any personal responsibilty, .....

that's rich coming from you, welchy.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That history lesson was completely unnecessary and I'm sure you knew that. You're backing down from "racist", but you know you're wrong about "naive" too, right? It's just posturing because you don't want to just admit your post was garbage. Let's just look at your last paragraph.

you can try to argue that these were just motivated by individual racists within government, and there's no pattern or overall intent, and you maybe right (and would certainly be a popular speaker at CPAC, StormFront, etc.), but these actions have been so pervasive and devasting to African American communities throughout the country and its entire history that I think it's fair to say the situation of blacks today (education in particular, but also wealth, safety, health, and civil rights) is the result of a calculated, consistent policy of totally screwing them over.

You've gone far enough to say that I might be right, but you still need to use the word "calculated" in your last sentence. Simple question. Who's doing the calculating?

 

[Michchamp]

That history lesson was completely unnecessary and I'm sure you knew that. You're backing down from "racist", but you know you're wrong about "naive" too, right? It's just posturing because you don't want to just admit your post was garbage. Let's just look at your last paragraph.



You've gone far enough to say that I might be right, but you still need to use the word "calculated" in your last sentence. Simple question. Who's doing the calculating?

racist white politicians, law enforcement officials, and bureaucrats of both parties.

 

[Gulo Blue]

so you think blacks just don't like going to school and getting educated like white people do? theyre underepresented in public universities just because... it's genetic or racial or cultural then, I suppose. is that what you think? you and spartanracist have more in common than i thought.

Absolute garbage.

 

[Gulo Blue]

racist white politicians, law enforcement officials, and bureaucrats of both parties.

When do they get together to make their plans?

 

[Spartanmack]

that's rich coming from you, welchy.

can't refute the message, easy - attack the messenger.

 

[Spartanmack]

When do they get together to make their plans?

Tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado know as The Meadows...

sorry, i couldn't resist.

 

[Michchamp]

That history lesson was completely unnecessary and I'm sure you knew that. You're backing down from "racist", but you know you're wrong about "naive" too, right? It's just posturing because you don't want to just admit your post was garbage. Let's just look at your last paragraph.



You've gone far enough to say that I might be right, but you still need to use the word "calculated" in your last sentence. Simple question. Who's doing the calculating?

look at any individual action or policy i cited (& note that post was far from exhaustive). each involved the coordination of dozens or more elected officials, coupled with those "just following orders" to enforce those policies on the ground. look at redlining in particular... a calculated policy of denying federally backed loans to areas based on their racial makeup. how much more calculating can you get? what more evidence do you need here?

 

[Gulo Blue]

look at any individual action or policy i cited (& note that post was far from exhaustive). each involved the coordination of dozens or more elected officials, coupled with those "just following orders" to enforce those policies on the ground. look at redlining in particular... a calculated policy of denying federally backed loans to areas based on their racial makeup. how much more calculating can you get? what more evidence do you need here?

What evidence do you have? No coordination of dozens of people is responsible for our socioeconomic state. Your first post was horrible and the position you've backpedaled to is dumb. I don't even know what you're trying to salvage here.

 

[Michchamp]

What evidence do you have? No coordination of dozens of people is responsible for our socioeconomic state. Your first post was horrible and the position you've backpedaled to is dumb. I don't even know what you're trying to salvage here.

ok, I'm sorry I called you racist and lumped you in with spartanracist. I thought you'd laugh it off and know I didn't really mean it, but I forgot that you're sensitive to the racist allegation (since you moved to the South and your wife supports slavery.)

 

[Michchamp]

but seriously... look up redlining if you dont believe me.

 

[Spartanmack]

you think the socioeconomics just are? they're not the conscious result of policies taken by all levels of government in the US? it's just a coincidence that African Americans, of all people, were most negatively affected by them.. nothing to do with race?

Nobody thinks "the socioeconomics just are". Everyone who disagrees with you has explained and listed the reasons why they think we got to this point as a country. Each of them are more well reasoned and thorough than your grossly oversimplified cries of racism. You can keep calling me names all you want. If a racist idiot calls me a racist, it doesn't bother me in the least bit.