No Justice No Peace

[tinselwolverine]

Ah, ok...that's cool and I get it now. Thanks for the clarification and again, sorry for the confusion. I was more of a math/science type of kid...the kind that likely frustrated you the most when you were teaching...and still to this day! lol

Anyway...I don't know if you think Malcolm X succeeded MLK as the unofficial leader of the broad civil rights movement...but that is historically inaccurate.

Malcolm X was involved with the Nation of Islam (commonly referred to as "Black Muslims" at the time of Malcolm X), a very fringe group within the broader civil rights movement, and he became the leader of a more violent and radical fringe element within that fringe group.

The leader of the movement, Reverend Elijah Mohammad, ended up excommunicating Malcolm X and it's generally believed that he ordered Malcolm X's execution - three members of the Nation of Islam were convicted for his murder.

Malcolm X's death occurred three years before ML King's.

 

[zyxt9]

Obama, "This has been going on for a long time," he said. "This is not new, and we shouldn't pretend it's new."

Well maybe, just maybe, a good ol' Presidential kick in the ass to the police forces across the country is in order then, eh? Seriously, this is not a "I'm creating a task force." situation that the nation has been experiencing for far too long. As president, feel free to get more FBI agents and have a segment of the FBI really look into the problem and arrest the offending police officers or justice officials who are abusing their power/positions. This includes DAs who have not pursued prosecuting the Good Ol' Boys network of officers.

This is less a criticism of Obama and more of a plea, "YES! Please fix the problems!!!" If the above doesn't work, go with something better...but damn, something needs to be done by the President considering how widespread across the US the issue has been for so long now.

 

[zyxt9]

Anyway...I don't know if you think Malcolm X succeeded MLK as the unofficial leader of the broad civil rights movement...but that is historically inaccurate.

Malcolm X was involved with the Nation of Islam (commonly referred to as "Black Muslims" at the time of Malcolm X), a very fringe group within the broader civil rights movement, and he became the leader of a more violent and radical fringe element within that fringe group.

The leader of the movement, Reverend Elijah Mohammad, ended up excommunicating Malcolm X and it's generally believed that he ordered Malcolm X's execution - three members of the Nation of Islam were convicted for his murder.

Malcolm X's death occurred three years before ML King's.

I didn't know all of that, so thank you. I was mostly referring to those who followed MX's beliefs. They could have followed MLK's more, but instead chose MX's. MLK provides such a clear path for change through peaceful demonstration that I don't understand why such a demonstration is not happening, not just in Baltimore but throughout every major US city. This problem is obviously something happening across the US, so the nation needs to step up and peacefully protest.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Oh and as I'm watching, an idiot in the crowd threw something at cops. The crowd tried to stop him, taking him away. He then came back and threw something again. Cops came for him and the crowd got angry at the cops. More things were thrown at them. Cops didn't beat him, didn't hit him. Didn't fire at him. They grabbed him and he tried fighting back. Seriously?

As this was happening I was listening to the CNN coverage but wasn't able watch it.

Did the crowd get angry at the cops?

Because CNN is reporting that the crowd was trying to calm the guy down, so as 1) not to exacerbate the situation and 2) to try and keep the guy from getting hurt.

Meanwhile, it likes like the Orioles Chicago White Sox game might be played closed to the public.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I didn't know all of that, so thank you. I was mostly referring to those who followed MX's beliefs. They could have followed MLK's more, but instead chose MX's. MLK provides such a clear path for change through peaceful demonstration that I don't understand why such a demonstration is not happening, not just in Baltimore but throughout every major US city. This problem is obviously something happening across the US, so the nation needs to step up and peacefully protest.

Malcolm X had a significant amount of animosity toward ML King and the broader civil rights movement in general.

He was in favor of much more activist, radical and revolutionary actions.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They're also showing a lot of older guys in the community out there, being a presence to keep the demonstrations peaceful.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think the factors are wide-ranging and varied, so applying a singular solution is not going to solve the issues. finances, bad teachers, influential community/cultural groups who are anti-education and prosperity (right up until they individually get money, right?), lack of parenting (from being sick or working too many jobs just to survive, to being in jail, on drugs, or just dead-beat parents), and likely many other factors.

this is why there are so many organizations and equal opportunity acts, because there is no simple solution. unfortunately, another problem is most of these elements designed to help are separate entities and don't work well together to solve the probable multiple issues at play for each individual. help is needed, but misguided and undirected help does little to change all of the problems.

This is basically what I was about to post in response but I would have put lack of parenting first on the list - that is easily the biggest problem by far. And I would have put finances last on the list - a factor but not nearly as significant - the table below shows spending per pupil in some of the worst public school districts. Looking at the following link, you can spending per pupil in these urban districts is above average for spending per pupil overall for that state.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html

Also many poor people whether they're a minority or white, immigrant or multi-generation US citizen have achieved social mobility and broken out of poverty. Growing up in a 2 parent home gives kids the greatest chance of success.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...arriage-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty

 

[tsmith7559]

But, but.......oh shit you're spot on. The lib circus front and center, pass the popcorn

 

[Michchamp]

I think the factors are wide-ranging and varied, so applying a singular solution is not going to solve the issues. finances, bad teachers, influential community/cultural groups who are anti-education and prosperity (right up until they individually get money, right?), lack of parenting (from being sick or working too many jobs just to survive, to being in jail, on drugs, or just dead-beat parents), and likely many other factors.

this is why there are so many organizations and equal opportunity acts, because there is no simple solution. unfortunately, another problem is most of these elements designed to help are separate entities and don't work well together to solve the probable multiple issues at play for each individual. help is needed, but misguided and undirected help does little to change all of the problems.

it's funny you write that in response to claim the variance in education is not a systemic problem, and yet you still more or less feel that black americans have no basis to conplain.

some of you racist fucks should stop beating around the bush and just own it: if you think African Americans have no basis to complain about police brutality, their economic situation, lack of education, lack of even a means to get an education, certainly then you must feel african americans are in some way inferior. right? and then have only themselves to blame. theyre lazy, stupid, dishonest, or violent

right? you think African Americans have higher rates of unemployment, incarceration, are more likely to be killed by police or subject to police violence, have worse infrastructure in their communities, fewer schools, etc. just because reasons?

I'm trying to think of what non-racist excuse you could come up with if you otherwise buy that GOP canard about institutional racism being over in the US.

or are you going to tell me that liberals are to blame because of unemployment benefits & foodstamps. if that's the case post the fucking evidence of it.

 

[tsmith7559]

it's funny you write that in response to claim the variance in education is not a systemic problem, and yet you still more or less feel that black americans have no basis to conplain.

some of you racist fucks should stop beating around the bush and just own it: if you think African Americans have no basis to complain about police brutality, their economic situation, lack of education, lack of even a means to get an education, certainly then you must feel african americans are in some way inferior. right? and then have only themselves to blame. theyre lazy, stupid, dishonest, or violent

right? you think African Americans have higher rates of unemployment, incarceration, are more likely to be killed by police or subject to police violence, have worse infrastructure in their communities, fewer schools, etc. just because reasons?

I'm trying to think of what non-racist excuse you could come up with if you otherwise buy that GOP canard about institutional racism being over in the US.

or are you going to tell me that liberals are to blame because of unemployment benefits & foodstamps. if that's the case post the fucking evidence of it.

Libs have run baltimore for years....

 

[Gulo Blue]

so you think blacks just don't like going to school and getting educated like white people do? theyre underepresented in public universities just because... it's genetic or racial or cultural then, I suppose. is that what you think? you and spartanracist have more in common than i thought.

This is really, really horrible. Just an awful post. Why would any of this be implied by what I posted. Am I in some alternate reality where I've never posted to this board before AND you've never heard of socioeconomics? Because unless both of those things are true, I can't understand where this post came from.

 

[Gulo Blue]

you've never heard of agent provacateurs?

Those are the guys carrying racist signs at Tea Party rallies, right?

 

[Spartanmack]

it's funny you write that in response to claim the variance in education is not a systemic problem, and yet you still more or less feel that black americans have no basis to conplain.

some of you racist fucks should stop beating around the bush and just own it: if you think African Americans have no basis to complain about police brutality, their economic situation, lack of education, lack of even a means to get an education, certainly then you must feel african americans are in some way inferior. right? and then have only themselves to blame. theyre lazy, stupid, dishonest, or violent

right? you think African Americans have higher rates of unemployment, incarceration, are more likely to be killed by police or subject to police violence, have worse infrastructure in their communities, fewer schools, etc. just because reasons?

I'm trying to think of what non-racist excuse you could come up with if you otherwise buy that GOP canard about institutional racism being over in the US.

or are you going to tell me that liberals are to blame because of unemployment benefits & foodstamps. if that's the case post the fucking evidence of it.

You are the one who thinks they are inferior. You are the one who favors lowering expectations and standards for minorities and thinks he is doing them a favor. Your party is the one who designed, built, maintained and controlled those infrastructures and your party is the one that owns the failure of them. Your parties tax policies discouraged savings and created the consumer economy and yes, Unions are the organizations primarily responsible for driving skilled labor jobs overseas. All of these cities that are going bankrupt with substandard schools and failing infrastructure have been controlled by democrats for decades. The evidence is there, right in front of your face, yet you're too stubborn to believe that the you created the urban society we have today and that poor people, minorities in particular bare any responsibility at all for their situation. YOu just scream racism anytime somebody disagrees with you. The welfare system, among others like the public school system has failed miserably. And you just want to do more of the same despite the mountains of evidence that it doesn't work.

Yes, you are the racist piece of shit. Just own it.

 

[Michchamp]

You are the one who thinks they are inferior. You are the one who favors lowering expectations and standards for minorities and thinks he is doing them a favor. Your party is the one who designed, built, maintained and controlled those infrastructures and your party is the one that owns the failure of them. Your parties tax policies discouraged savings and created the consumer economy and yes, Unions are the organizations primarily responsible for driving skilled labor jobs overseas. All of these cities that are going bankrupt with substandard schools and failing infrastructure have been controlled by democrats for decades. The evidence is there, right in front of your face, yet you're too stubborn to believe that the you created the urban society we have today and that poor people, minorities in particular bare any responsibility at all for their situation. YOu just scream racism anytime somebody disagrees with you. The welfare system, among others like the public school system has failed miserably. And you just want to do more of the same despite the mountains of evidence that it doesn't work.

Yes, you are the racist piece of shit. Just own it.

typical. you didnt answer any of the points i made, just used the "i know you are but what am I?" routine.

hey you better run along, or you and tLiar are gonna be late for your Klan meeting.

 

[Michchamp]

This is really, really horrible. Just an awful post. Why would any of this be implied by what I posted. Am I in some alternate reality where I've never posted to this board before AND you've never heard of socioeconomics? Because unless both of those things are true, I can't understand where this post came from.

you think the socioeconomics just are? they're not the conscious result of policies taken by all levels of government in the US? it's just a coincidence that African Americans, of all people, were most negatively affected by them.. nothing to do with race?

 

[Gulo Blue]

you think the socioeconomics just are? they're not the conscious result of policies taken by all levels of government in the US? it's just a coincidence that African Americans, of all people, were most negatively affected by them.. nothing to do with race?

1) people don't give a crap who they leave poor if it makes them money and 2) millions of biased or racist people acting independently kill though 1,000 little cuts. But please, explain your conspiracy theory spanning decades and multiple administrations and how I'm a racist if I don't think that's the simplest explanation.

 

[tigersofjustice]

1) people don't give a crap who they leave poor if it makes them money and 2) millions of biased or racist people acting independently kill though 1,000 little cuts. But please, explain your conspiracy theory spanning decades and multiple administrations and how I'm a racist if I don't think that's the simplest explanation.

Occam's Razor.

A lot of people with similar attitudes acting independently is far more logical and probable. It certainly might appear to be a conspiracy when looked at in totality.

 

[Spartanmack]

typical. you didnt answer any of the points i made, just used the "i know you are but what am I?" routine.

hey you better run along, or you and tLiar are gonna be late for your Klan meeting.

You think you made some points, let alone a point? Typical. All you've done is accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being racist. I simply pointed out that you're so blind, you can't see you're the biggest bigot here.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That kid who got bitch slapped by his mother on world wide television must be feeling like a real bozo.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It looks like hell is going to break out again tonight.