Pettigrew a potential draft day trade target?

[dubbsco]

Why's that so far fetched that a 3rd, 4th round pick actually ends up showing something? Using his salary as some justification to his value is odd. If we are going by that standard, he's played like someone who's worth 8-10 million a year.

I don't see the harm in taking a flyer in the mid-draft and see if you get something for him.

 

[mhughes0021]

I still don't understand why fans complain about backup QBs on a team with a guaranteed #1 starter.

Though I know some fans have a ridiculous fantasy that a backup is going to challenge a $20MM QB. :lmao:

Even if it's just for insurance purposes, how much are you willing to commit (draft pick or money) to a guy who will likely never see the field?

In all fairness. ...80% of mayhews picks never see the field

 

[grandy]

Why's that so far fetched that a 3rd, 4th round pick actually ends up showing something? Using his salary as some justification to his value is odd. If we are going by that standard, he's played like someone who's worth 8-10 million a year.

I don't see the harm in taking a flyer in the mid-draft and see if you get something for him.

Using salary is justified, it's a reflection of management's commitment to Stafford. You don't pay a QB close to $20MM and then go out and get competition, that's just stupid (one could argue the contract itself is stupid, but that contract is already set now). Regardless of how good or bad you think he is, he's starting unless injured or suspended.

I'd like to see them get a starter or rotational player out of the 3rd/4th round. That can't be done at QB in this particular scenario.

 

[mhughes0021]

THIS ^ ... so true.

I don't care who your backup is at QB, at the point your starter has gone down and the backup is starting, your season has just gone down hill fast.

No team out there has a backup good enough, so how much cheddar do you put into a player you hope will never ever play?

I somewhat agree. ...but do we have to have the worst back up in the league? Its important to have competent back ups so we don't have to listen to guys like lkp throw the injury excuse out there every single time this team fails. Stafford goes down were a 2 win team. Phillys qb goes does they win 10 games....which deserves a banner to be hung in lkp s book.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I still don't understand why fans complain about backup QBs on a team with a guaranteed #1 starter.

Though I know some fans have a ridiculous fantasy that a backup is going to challenge a $20MM QB. :lmao:

Even if it's just for insurance purposes, how much are you willing to commit (draft pick or money) to a guy who will likely never see the field?

It's about having one that might have a chance to not fk up and possibly win a game if starter goes down. I don't expect a backup to be starter material but as far as backups there are many I rather have than Dan O.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And there have been proof that at times when starters go down, backup's are still winning games. It happens..no one is suggesting he competes with Matt.

 

[dubbsco]

I'm not saying he'll take over the starting job this year. But at some point, if this team doesn't get better and Stafford continues to be an above average QB (which he is), there has to be a backup plan. There needs to be a guy that has SOME talent (3rd-5th round type) that you can look to and he'll have time under the system.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And we could do what other teams do, draft a QB to have a chance down the line? Like GB did. If we're so damn good and can win with what we have draft a QB. Especially because our 20m dollar man is a C player.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not saying he'll take over the starting job this year. But at some point, if this team doesn't get better and Stafford continues to be an above average QB (which he is), there has to be a backup plan. There needs to be a guy that has SOME talent (3rd-5th round type) that you can look to and he'll have time under the system.

This is what we'll happen we won't draft a QB until we need one. Most teams that go that route are teams that suffer for a long time..

Honestly, I'd like to draft a QB when we can rather than we have too.

 

[tomdalton22]

And we could do what other teams do, draft a QB to have a chance down the line? Like GB did. If we're so damn good and can win with what we have draft a QB. Especially because our 20m dollar man is a C player.

Stafford is 27...I think Favre was 35 when GB drafted AR. Like it or not, the Lions are married to Stafford and his salary. Just wait until his next extension & restructure!

 

[grandy]

It's about having one that might have a chance to not fk up and possibly win a game if starter goes down. I don't expect a backup to be starter material but as far as backups there are many I rather have than Dan O.

And I'd rather see them get a lineman or corner in the mid rounds or with a little extra cap room. At least there'd be a plan for them to contribute, unlike a QB who can't play other positions (which I assume includes most QBs in the mid rounds). I really don't want to see them commit too much for an emergency "we're fucked anyway" plan.

And typically, once the QB fails, the current regime is finished. Learning the current system might not be all that useful. I also don't see the point in drafting a "QB of the future", Stafford is 27, I'm sure they expect him to be around another decade.

I'm not a big Stafford fan, but I try and look at it as realistic as possible. Management is content with Stafford, from the contract to the public comments. Any hope for another QB is just a fan pipedream, you're stuck with him for a while.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford is 27...I think Favre was 35 when GB drafted AR. Like it or not, the Lions are married to Stafford and his salary. Just wait until his next extension & restructure!

Favre had success, Matt not so much. I sure hope to hell he's not here until 35. Matt is a one year wonder, I don't understand why the organization doesn't see this..

 

[Mitchrapp]

And I'd rather see them get a lineman or corner in the mid rounds or with a little extra cap room. At least there'd be a plan for them to contribute, unlike a QB who can't play other positions (which I assume includes most QBs in the mid rounds). I really don't want to see them commit too much for an emergency "we're fucked anyway" plan.

And typically, once the QB fails, the current regime is finished. Learning the current system might not be all that useful. I also don't see the point in drafting a "QB of the future", Stafford is 27, I'm sure they expect him to be around another decade.

I'm not a big Stafford fan, but I try and look at it as realistic as possible. Management is content with Stafford, from the contract to the public comments. Any hope for another QB is just a fan pipedream, you're stuck with him for a while.

Be creative with the picks, pick up an extra one somewhere. I know it's a pipe dream but one I'm going to hang on until he gets replaced.

 

[inkfreq]

It's about having one that might have a chance to not fk up and possibly win a game if starter goes down. I don't expect a backup to be starter material but as far as backups there are many I rather have than Dan O.

You mean like a Drew Stanton?

A kid that came in for Arizona last season when Carson Palmer went down, and kept them in the hunt for the playoffs, including some pretty big wins along the way.

But when he was here, we couldn't wait to get rid of him. He was a bum. Glass Joe. Wasted pick. Piece of shit.

Or maybe a Josh McCown, who we had in 2006. Another piece of shit. Wasted signing. Terrible decision. But looked pretty good in Chicago in 2013.

The real question is, were those guys good QBs we gave up on, or did they get lucky for a year when they were needed? Or did the coach bring in a guy that could play in his system, who made good when he needed to?

McCown went to Tampa last season,and looked about like he did here in '06... a piece of shit. Stanton paid dividends for Bruce Arians last season..but one season doesn't make a career.

And that's the thing about backup QBs. You really never know what they will do until they play, and play in the right system. Orlovsky was shit for us in '08, but Jim Caldwell seems to like him. And maybe he's the right guy to play backup in this system.

Let's hope we never have to find out.

 

[inkfreq]

Be creative with the picks, pick up an extra one somewhere. I know it's a pipe dream but one I'm going to hang on until he gets replaced.

Eh, it's really easy to pick up those mid round picks by moving around in rounds 3,4, and 5. We see it happen every year.

In fact, if you look over the NFL Drafts for the last 15 years or so, it's actually really hard to find a team that picked in the 4th through 6th rounds with their own pick, instead of someone elses.

Those picks get moved a lot, and I doubt strongly the Lions won't make a pick in the 4th this season, even though they don't have a 4th right now.

 

[mhughes0021]

You mean like a Drew Stanton?

A kid that came in for Arizona last season when Carson Palmer went down, and kept them in the hunt for the playoffs, including some pretty big wins along the way.

But when he was here, we couldn't wait to get rid of him. He was a bum. Glass Joe. Wasted pick. Piece of shit.

Or maybe a Josh McCown, who we had in 2006. Another piece of shit. Wasted signing. Terrible decision. But looked pretty good in Chicago in 2013.

The real question is, were those guys good QBs we gave up on, or did they get lucky for a year when they were needed? Or did the coach bring in a guy that could play in his system, who made good when he needed to?

McCown went to Tampa last season,and looked about like he did here in '06... a piece of shit. Stanton paid dividends for Bruce Arians last season..but one season doesn't make a career.

And that's the thing about backup QBs. You really never know what they will do until they play, and play in the right system. Orlovsky was shit for us in '08, but Jim Caldwell seems to like him. And maybe he's the right guy to play backup in this system.

Let's hope we never have to find out.

Cause our coaches suck and arians works miracles.

 

[cheeno]

Cause our coaches suck and arians works miracles.

I imagine our QB coach operates like Rosie O'Donnell's dietician.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stanton was just here at the wrong time. More experience probably helped. I just think there's better than end zone Dan.

 

[LKP]

Stanton was young here. Had years to develop by the time he got to Arizona.

Stanton never had the same defense here like he did in Arizona. He did win 2 games in 2010 though.

Stanton was 55% with 7 TDs and 5 ints. Arians didn't work miracles, Todd Bowles worked a miracle and got a job with the Jets. You would have ran him out of town again.