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PFF Review Preseason Week 2

Why do you guys even bother responding to this guy? You're just giving him what he wants.

I'm teaching them a lesson on football. They should be thanking me. You should too.

I look outside the box. I analyze everything when a decision is made. You people just say well that didn't work, must have been a mistake. At the time, not a mistake most times with Mayhew. This team is loaded with talent. Super bowl talent. They can win it all with the coaching we have now.
 
I'm teaching them a lesson on football. They should be thanking me. You should too.

I look outside the box. I analyze everything when a decision is made. You people just say well that didn't work, must have been a mistake. At the time, not a mistake most times with Mayhew. This team is loaded with talent. Super bowl talent. They can win it all with the coaching we have now.

When you post things like "Stafford true 400 yard day with 4 tds/0 ints," or "peyton manning would have gone 4-12 with our team when Stafford went 7-9," that is posting to get a reaction. It's beyond silly to extrapolate stats from 1 quarter to 4, and I can tell there is genuine thought behind what you post so I have to conclude you just enjoy getting a rise out of people.

Every team has talent. Even when the Lions went 0-16 they had talent on the roster. Are they significantly more talented now than they were then? Yes they are. Doesn't mean anything unless they can prove they can stop beating themselves.

I ask you again please tell me things about the Lions that you feel are weaknesses, and below average compared to the rest of the league? Where do they stand to improve? What about Stafford? Where does he need to improve? All I hear from you is how wonderful everything is. If you want me to take you seriously, show me the other side of the coin here.
 
When you post things like "Stafford true 400 yard day with 4 tds/0 ints," or "peyton manning would have gone 4-12 with our team when Stafford went 7-9," that is posting to get a reaction. It's beyond silly to extrapolate stats from 1 quarter to 4, and I can tell there is genuine thought behind what you post so I have to conclude you just enjoy getting a rise out of people.

Every team has talent. Even when the Lions went 0-16 they had talent on the roster. Are they significantly more talented now than they were then? Yes they are. Doesn't mean anything unless they can prove they can stop beating themselves.

I ask you again please tell me things about the Lions that you feel are weaknesses, and below average compared to the rest of the league? Where do they stand to improve? What about Stafford? Where does he need to improve? All I hear from you is how wonderful everything is. If you want me to take you seriously, show me the other side of the coin here.

The 0-16 was not talented. The defense had zero talent. Offense didn't have a QB worth anything, they traded an ineffective Roy and lacked explosivness other than Calvin. It's an insult to say the 0-16 team had talent.

They were the ones taking away TDs from Stafford. I didn't extrapolate anything. I told them why they were good tds based on the game tape. They are narrow minded, focus on the negative, can't even comprehend the facts I tell them and often miscontrue what I say into something completely different, don't think about the team at the time decisions are made. They don't understand enough about the game to get. I am here to explain it to them.

Improvements have been made. We needed two new weapons and got them with Tate and Ebron. Separation was poor last year, drops were a problem. Calvin fixed fingers and Tate should reduce them by a good amount. Plus less Durham. Bush is the only drop problem right now.

Fumbles. We lost 15. 31st in the league. I don't think that will be repeated. Even if they put the same amount on the turf, our recovery rate should be better than the very high % lost we had last year.

Pass pro is good. Run game is good enough but can improved. There were 6 bad rushing games last (3.4 YPC or worse) but most of that was due to missing key players. Waddle full time and Calvin/Bush playing helps the run game.

Secondary was average last year with poor CB play. Slay had rookie struggles. Doesn't mean he will suck this year. Houston was playing hurt with a hamstring and toe injury and it cost 3 80 yard plays given up for TDs. Mathis played well and combined with Slay should do well. I love Quin and Ihedibgbo combo do. Savy vets who can make plays and fit their roles well.

22 turnovers forced wasn't enough. Adding Van Noy and an aggressive defensive scheme should get us more. And again, we forced a good number of fumbles but our recovery rate for only 7 recovered was poor.

Penalties can be reduced with Caldwell discipline. However, the league refs seems to ramping up the penalties called. This is actually a good thing for us because Calvin can't be covered without holding them and I see hands to the face to Suh all the time. The Lions will benefit from this.

Offense should be less predictable. That was a Linehan problem last year. Problem solved.

This team addressed all of their issues. They are playoff caliber talent and can go far. They need to improve their TD celebrations and get a better parade route. That's the only improvement.
 
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This. I cut back lately it's not even fun any more.

I don't post for a reaction. I post to inform you. I post so if a Lions random fan comes here, they will realize they all aren't negative idiots with no clue about how the games actually went or how much talent is on this team.
 
The 0-16 was not talented. The defense had zero talent. Offense didn't have a QB worth anything, they traded an ineffective Roy and lacked explosivness other than Calvin. It's an insult to say the 0-16 team had talent.

They were the ones taking away TDs from Stafford. I didn't extrapolate anything. I told them why they were good tds based on the game tape. They are narrow minded, focus on the negative, can't even comprehend the facts I tell them and often miscontrue what I say into something completely different, don't think about the team at the time decisions are made. They don't understand enough about the game to get. I am here to explain it to them.

Improvements have been made. We needed two new weapons and got them with Tate and Ebron. Separation was poor last year, drops were a problem. Calvin fixed fingers and Tate should reduce them by a good amount. Plus less Durham. Bush is the only drop problem right now.

Fumbles. We lost 15. 31st in the league. I don't think that will be repeated. Even if they put the same amount on the turf, our recovery rate should be better than the very high % lost we had last year.

Pass pro is good. Run game is good enough but can improved. There were 6 bad rushing games last (3.4 YPC or worse) but most of that was due to missing key players. Waddle full time and Calvin/Bush playing helps the run game.

Secondary was average last year with poor CB play. Slay had rookie struggles. Doesn't mean he will suck this year. Houston was playing hurt with a hamstring and toe injury and it cost 3 80 yard plays given up for TDs. Mathis played well and combined with Slay should do well. I love Quin and Ihedibgbo combo do. Savy vets who can make plays and fit their roles well.

22 turnovers forced wasn't enough. Adding Van Noy and an aggressive defensive scheme should get us more. And again, we forced a good number of fumbles but our recovery rate for only 7 recovered was poor.

Penalties can be reduced with Caldwell discipline. However, the league refs seems to ramping up the penalties called. This is actually a good thing for us because Calvin can't be covered without holding them and I see hands to the face to Suh all the time. The Lions will benefit from this.

Offense should be less predictable. That was a Linehan problem last year. Problem solved.

This team addressed all of their issues. They are playoff caliber talent and can go far. They need to improve their TD celebrations and get a better parade route. That's the only improvement.

You are the one being insulting towards the 2008 Lions. Everyone knows they were terrible. It's not a huge secret. I'd like to see you line up against anybody from that team and see how you fare. The team had talent, it just wasn't good enough. Perhaps we are just having an argument on the relative definition of "talent" so no need to continue with that debate.

You took 1 quarter of stats for Matt Stafford and said he had a "true 400 yard day with 4 tds and 0 ints". That is called extrapolating my friend, to make it seem like Stafford had a beast of a game. He did play very well, but it was for one quarter in the preseason. That is not being negative, it is just stating a fact. I didn't take much away from his performance other than some encouragement on his pump fake TD, which was very pretty. The Raiders defense had no time to make adjustments to the Lions offense before Stafford was taken out, and it was in the second half of games that Stafford had issues last year. I'm not going to post phony stats to paint a picture of a complete game that never happened. It's like when Dmitri Young hit 3 home runs for the Tigers on opening day and saying he was on pace to hit 486 home runs that season. Stupid and pointless.

Everything else you posted is all hopes and dreams. I hope you are right about the fumble recoveries, penalties, and the drops and all of that. You and I can't say for certain how those stats will play out for sure this year though. We will have to wait and see about that. I agree that adding Tate was a good addition. Ebron seemed like an unnecessary luxury for a team that already had two good TEs, but that's fine.

I do like how you're setting up your excuses before the season starts. When Calvin and Bush inevitably get hurt (since this is the NFL), you can just pull that card out of your back pocket.
 
You are the one being insulting towards the 2008 Lions. Everyone knows they were terrible. It's not a huge secret. I'd like to see you line up against anybody from that team and see how you fare. The team had talent, it just wasn't good enough. Perhaps we are just having an argument on the relative definition of "talent" so no need to continue with that debate.

You took 1 quarter of stats for Matt Stafford and said he had a "true 400 yard day with 4 tds and 0 ints". That is called extrapolating my friend, to make it seem like Stafford had a beast of a game. He did play very well, but it was for one quarter in the preseason. That is not being negative, it is just stating a fact. I didn't take much away from his performance other than some encouragement on his pump fake TD, which was very pretty. The Raiders defense had no time to make adjustments to the Lions offense before Stafford was taken out, and it was in the second half of games that Stafford had issues last year. I'm not going to post phony stats to paint a picture of a complete game that never happened. It's like when Dmitri Young hit 3 home runs for the Tigers on opening day and saying he was on pace to hit 486 home runs that season. Stupid and pointless.

Everything else you posted is all hopes and dreams. I hope you are right about the fumble recoveries, penalties, and the drops and all of that. You and I can't say for certain how those stats will play out for sure this year though. We will have to wait and see about that. I agree that adding Tate was a good addition. Ebron seemed like an unnecessary luxury for a team that already had two good TEs, but that's fine.

I do like how you're setting up your excuses before the season starts. When Calvin and Bush inevitably get hurt (since this is the NFL), you can just pull that card out of your back pocket.

What happened to your "just giving him what he wants" Addicting eh?
 
It's not hopes and dreams. It's separation addition, better hands, surgery to fix fingers. These are true events that fix the drops.

Fumble recoveries aren't always 80% lost. It should return to the norm. That's simple probability.

It's a fact the run game suffered due to injuries. Excuse or not, it's a fact. If Seattle lost Lynch I'm sure they might have a tough time running too.

It was clearly a made up exaggeration based on what the others said about taking TDs away from Stafford. It wasn't an extrapolation and Stafford does just fine in second halfs too. He's a comeback king.
 
The guy had 8 drops.

Let's just pretend he has half of that. Spread out 4 drops among 16 games. 0.25 less drops a game. WEEEE, that'll make the Lions a title contender.
 
By the way, his drop rate was 5.1 percent, which was WAY down the list of drop percentage for players. Facts are fun.
 
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The 0-16 was not talented. The defense had zero talent. Offense didn't have a QB worth anything, they traded an ineffective Roy and lacked explosivness other than Calvin. It's an insult to say the 0-16 team had talent.

They were the ones taking away TDs from Stafford. I didn't extrapolate anything. I told them why they were good tds based on the game tape. They are narrow minded, focus on the negative, can't even comprehend the facts I tell them and often miscontrue what I say into something completely different, don't think about the team at the time decisions are made. They don't understand enough about the game to get. I am here to explain it to them.

Improvements have been made. We needed two new weapons and got them with Tate and Ebron. Separation was poor last year, drops were a problem. Calvin fixed fingers and Tate should reduce them by a good amount. Plus less Durham. Bush is the only drop problem right now.

Fumbles. We lost 15. 31st in the league. I don't think that will be repeated. Even if they put the same amount on the turf, our recovery rate should be better than the very high % lost we had last year.

Pass pro is good. Run game is good enough but can improved. There were 6 bad rushing games last (3.4 YPC or worse) but most of that was due to missing key players. Waddle full time and Calvin/Bush playing helps the run game.

Secondary was average last year with poor CB play. Slay had rookie struggles. Doesn't mean he will suck this year. Houston was playing hurt with a hamstring and toe injury and it cost 3 80 yard plays given up for TDs. Mathis played well and combined with Slay should do well. I love Quin and Ihedibgbo combo do. Savy vets who can make plays and fit their roles well.

22 turnovers forced wasn't enough. Adding Van Noy and an aggressive defensive scheme should get us more. And again, we forced a good number of fumbles but our recovery rate for only 7 recovered was poor.

Penalties can be reduced with Caldwell discipline. However, the league refs seems to ramping up the penalties called. This is actually a good thing for us because Calvin can't be covered without holding them and I see hands to the face to Suh all the time. The Lions will benefit from this.

Offense should be less predictable. That was a Linehan problem last year. Problem solved.

This team addressed all of their issues. They are playoff caliber talent and can go far. They need to improve their TD celebrations and get a better parade route. That's the only improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYTc55nGEI
 
The guy had 8 drops.

Let's just pretend he has half of that. Spread out 4 drops among 16 games. 0.25 less drops a game. WEEEE, that'll make the Lions a title contender.

Would have made the playoffs if he caught that one at end of game against Tampa and the 2 against Baltimore that killed drives in first half. Does make a big difference.
 
It's not hopes and dreams. It's separation addition, better hands, surgery to fix fingers. These are true events that fix the drops.

Fumble recoveries aren't always 80% lost. It should return to the norm. That's simple probability.

It's a fact the run game suffered due to injuries. Excuse or not, it's a fact. If Seattle lost Lynch I'm sure they might have a tough time running too.

It was clearly a made up exaggeration based on what the others said about taking TDs away from Stafford. It wasn't an extrapolation and Stafford does just fine in second halfs too. He's a comeback king.

I will take your word on the fumble recoveries thing. And yes all those things "should" help lessen the drops. Simple probability states that random variables are exactly that: random. So it doesn't matter if these things "should" return to the norm, it's a question of will they? You are hoping that they do. So am I. Hopes and dreams. We will see.

Your injuries thing is both an excuse and a fact. Green Bay's pass game suffered due to Rodgers being hurt for 7 or 8 games (forget what it was exactly). Why did they win the NFC North and the Lions did not then? Both teams had injuries that hurt aspects of their team. Maybe because the rest of Green Bay's team was just a little better than the Lions? Or maybe the Lions were better, but kept shooting themselves in the foot? Either way teams win, individual players do not. I don't want to get into a pissing contest comparing "ohhh but we had worse injuries than this team!!" Does it really make you feel better that we "could have" won more games, but didn't? Who cares?

And I don't agree that it was clearly a made up exaggeration. 400 yards and 4 TDs is not at all an exaggeration for the high-end quarterbacks, which you clearly believe Stafford is. It is not unreasonable to assume that you were in fact extrapolating stats out to a full 4 quarter game.
 
By the way, his drop rate was 5.1 percent, which was WAY down the list of drop percentage for players. Facts are fun.

10 drops. 12th highes drop rate in league for WRs with 50% of targets
 
So now you are putting the Lions missing the playoffs on a few drops? Good lord man, get a hold of yourself.
 
I will take your word on the fumble recoveries thing. And yes all those things "should" help lessen the drops. Simple probability states that random variables are exactly that: random. So it doesn't matter if these things "should" return to the norm, it's a question of will they? You are hoping that they do. So am I. Hopes and dreams. We will see.

Your injuries thing is both an excuse and a fact. Green Bay's pass game suffered due to Rodgers being hurt for 7 or 8 games (forget what it was exactly). Why did they win the NFC North and the Lions did not then? Both teams had injuries that hurt aspects of their team. Maybe because the rest of Green Bay's team was just a little better than the Lions? Or maybe the Lions were better, but kept shooting themselves in the foot? Either way teams win, individual players do not. I don't want to get into a pissing contest comparing "ohhh but we had worse injuries than this team!!" Does it really make you feel better that we "could have" won more games, but didn't? Who cares?

And I don't agree that it was clearly a made up exaggeration. 400 yards and 4 TDs is not at all an exaggeration for the high-end quarterbacks, which you clearly believe Stafford is. It is not unreasonable to assume that you were in fact extrapolating stats out to a full 4 quarter game.

Lions were better and yes turnovers screwed us. Some flukes, some self inflicted from talented players. Some injury related. Lions had just as crucial injuries. They played healthier teams and hotter teams than Green Bay. Green Bay did not overcome anything. They went 2-5-1. They struggled big time. They had a one game lead on the division with Rodgers and that is what they won it by. If Green Bay went 10-6 or 11-5 you might have a point. But they didn't. Neither did Chicago. All 3 teams could have won 10-11 with more health. Detroit swept Chicago and can sweep Green Bay. They are the more talented team but had coaching issues and the strength of their team got hurt at WR. Stafford still produced well and as best he good given the circumstances. He's a good QB. Fumbles, drops, separation, lack of turnovers. All just too much for any QB. Issues that have been addressed. New coaching and 2 new weapons was exactly the right call by Mayhew to fix this team. And we'll see the result in 2014.
 
So now you are putting the Lions missing the playoffs on a few drops? Good lord man, get a hold of yourself.

You fools have them missing the playoffs due a play here and there by Stafford. Drops were crucial when mixed with everything else. Injuries, predictable coaching, separation issues, big plays given up due to injured CBs.

This team fixes two out of those many things, they are a playoff team.
 
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