Play-off Rotation

[jh1spartanfan]

I get what your guys' point is, but if Max starts game 2, that would also, set him up for game 5 instead of Fister. I'd rather have Fister pitching game 5 than Scherzer. Also, at this point I feel like we just have to win 1 game without JV on the mound, and Fister's numbers at Copa are very good, so far.

Wut? Verlander would be pitching Game 5 regardless

Game 1 Verlander
Game 2 Scherzer/Fister

Game 3 Fister/Scherzer
Game 4 Porcello

Game 5 Verlander

Not if they went with a 3-man rotation, which looks somewhat likely, but if they do use a 4-man than I would agree with you.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I get what your guys' point is, but if Max starts game 2, that would also, set him up for game 5 instead of Fister. I'd rather have Fister pitching game 5 than Scherzer. Also, at this point I feel like we just have to win 1 game without JV on the mound, and Fister's numbers at Copa are very good, so far.

Wut? Verlander would be pitching Game 5 regardless

Game 1 Verlander
Game 2 Scherzer/Fister

Game 3 Fister/Scherzer
Game 4 Porcello

Game 5 Verlander

With that scenario though JV wouldn't be ready early on the following series. I'd rather have him pitch game 1 and 4, assuming it goes game 5. Then he gets a bit of rest and possible start game 1 in series 2.

 

[mjsb2]

I would also be in favor of the 3 man rotation in a 5 game series.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Especially if JV doesn't need to pitch late in the season. He'll have plenty of rest.

 

[mjsb2]

[quote author=mitchrapp board=tigertalk thread=1335 post=30466 time=1315624060]Especially if JV doesn't need to pitch late in the season. He'll have plenty of rest. [/quote

Yup, and that should happen, the Tigers are going to runaway with the division, so Leyland can focus on setting up the playoff rotation however he wants.

In the 5 game, run with the 3 man rotation, can switch it up and add a 4th in the 7 game series (though 3 would still be an option if the Tigers are in trouble).

 

[jrange378]

Leiland will probably just keep the regular rotation and cut Penny. Atleast i hope. But I wouldn't be opposed to fister going 2.

 

[ihatebadenglish]

Not if they went with a 3-man rotation, which looks somewhat likely, but if they do use a 4-man than I would agree with you.

Let me know how many times in Verlander's career that he has started on short rest.

The primary objective of the ALDS is to win the ALDS. You can't worry about the ALCS until you get there.

Even if Verlander pitches Game 1 and Game 5 in the ALDS, he can still pitch Game 3 and Game 7 in the ALCS.

 

[jh1spartanfan]

Not if they went with a 3-man rotation, which looks somewhat likely, but if they do use a 4-man than I would agree with you.

Let me know how many times in Verlander's career that he has started on short rest.

The primary objective of the ALDS is to win the ALDS. You can't worry about the ALCS until you get there.

Even if Verlander pitches Game 1 and Game 5 in the ALDS, he can still pitch Game 3 and Game 7 in the ALCS.

It's one day short, also, JV on short rest>>>>>>>Porcello/Penny. Plus, the goal in the play-offs is to win the world series and the Tigers aren't going to do that without JV pitching as much as he possibly can. If he pitches game 4 in the ALDS, it's possible he could pitch games 1,4, and maybe even 7 in the ALCS, and if there is no game 7 that sets him up for the WS. It's the playoffs, it's the time where they forget about your injuries and fatigue, they have the whole off-season to rest.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Not if they went with a 3-man rotation, which looks somewhat likely, but if they do use a 4-man than I would agree with you.

Let me know how many times in Verlander's career that he has started on short rest.

The primary objective of the ALDS is to win the ALDS. You can't worry about the ALCS until you get there.

Even if Verlander pitches Game 1 and Game 5 in the ALDS, he can still pitch Game 3 anlld Game 7 in the ALCS.

In theory, maybe. But what if the series doesn't go 7, they lose -- are you comfortable with him only getting 1 chance to pitch?

 

[ihatebadenglish]

Mitch[/color]]In theory, maybe. But what if the series doesn't go 7, they lose -- are you comfortable with him only getting 1 chance to pitch?

Only other option is to pitch him on short rest for the first time in his career and risk the consequences.

I don't like the idea of Verlander pitching on short rest in the ALDS. I think Porcello pitching one game is alright. He will be on a short leash.

Even if the ALDS and ALCS go the max games, Porcello could pitch only one game per series. Sometimes you have to trust Scherzer and Fister. If you can't then it doesn't matter how many games Verlander pitches.

 

[hellifino]

3 man rotation

1. Verlander
2. Scherzer
3. Fister


PEN

Porcello
Al Al
Coke
Below
Schrerth

SETUP

Benoit

Closer

Valverde

to hell with the rest of them!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]In theory, maybe. But what if the series doesn't go 7, they lose -- are you comfortable with him only getting 1 chance to pitch?

Only other option is to pitch him on short rest for the first time in his career and risk the consequences.

I don't like the idea of Verlander pitching on short rest in the ALDS. I think Porcello pitching one game is alright. He will be on a short leash.

Even if the ALDS and ALCS go the max games, Porcello could pitch only one game per series. Sometimes you have to trust Scherzer and Fister. If you can't then it doesn't matter how many games Verlander pitches.

With the looks of of it, game 1 of the ALDS will be September 30 and game 4 on October 4. If your ace who is a beast can't handle that, well then we're in trouble. If we're losing 2 games to 1, I want JV not Porcello going game 4.

Next series, game 1 4 and 7 are a possibility. 4 days between starts. That's what the playoffs are, stretch your ace as much as you can. Who knows when you get back here.
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Now it could change, for example the Tigers up 3 games to nothing, but come on man we need him to pitch a lot.

 

[manchild98]

I just don't see Leyland using a 3 man rotation.

 

[jimrice]

I get what your guys' point is, but if Max starts game 2, that would also, set him up for game 5 instead of Fister. I'd rather have Fister pitching game 5 than Scherzer. Also, at this point I feel like we just have to win 1 game without JV on the mound, and Fister's numbers at Copa are very good, so far.

Wut? Verlander would be pitching Game 5 regardless

Game 1 Verlander
Game 2 Scherzer/Fister

Game 3 Fister/Scherzer
Game 4 Porcello

Game 5 Verlander

I think it will go like this, too. You pretty much need 4 starters.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

It will depend on the series goes. If we win game 1, then lose the next two you better believe JV gets thrown out there.

 

[jimrice]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]It will depend on the series goes. If we win game 1, then lose the next two you better believe JV gets thrown out there.

That would probably happen, but I think it's a mistake. You need both games in that scenario, you may as well let JV have somewhat regular rest/ regular cycle.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Rich what? Richmond![/color]]It will depend on the series goes. If we win game 1, then lose the next two you better believe JV gets thrown out there.

That would probably happen, but I think it's a mistake. You need both games in that scenario, you may as well let JV have somewhat regular rest/ regular cycle.

Until you lose game 4 and then you're wondering. Lots of pitchers over the years have been in 5 man rotations during the season only to pitch on 3 days rest in the post season. That's what post seasons about, remove the bottom of the rotation in a critical series. JV can handle it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In fact you could go JV, fister, scherzer, JV, porcello, Fister, JV in a 7 game series. I know I want my ace going 3 times in a 7 game series.

 

[ihatebadenglish]

I think people are overvaluing Verlander for the postseason. He has been a beast this year, but him taking the mound does not equal a win. He has taken the hill against the Yankees and Red Sox four times this year and the Tigers have won only one of those games.

And it is also important to remember that Porcello has been a streaky pitcher this year. If he ends the season on a good run then there is no need to push him to the wayside.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think people are overvaluing Verlander for the postseason. He has been a beast this year, but him taking the mound does not equal a win. He has taken the hill against the Yankees and Red Sox four times this year and the Tigers have won only one of those games.

And it is also important to remember that Porcello has been a streaky pitcher this year. If he ends the season on a good run then there is no need to push him to the wayside.

Buy you still want your best as much as possible. I know I'd sleep better if we lost a JV game 7 over a porcello or penny game 7.