Play-off selection show and bowl selections

[Michchamp]

The more I think about it the more I hope none of the Bama players sit out. The only way this is a positive for Michigan is beating them at full strength (minus Tua of course). If you beat them and there's 5-10 guys sitting out you get no credit. Losing to them even though they have guys out is even worse and still highly likely. I don't think Michigan wins if they're at full strength but a loss is a lot easier to stomach if they are playing 10+ guys that are drafted in April.

I have a couple friends share these same sentiments, about how important it is to win this game convincingly for the future.

I don't know.

The next football season is a long ways away, and if the end of one season really holds that much sway over the next season, we'd never see programs rise and fall like we do.

It may provide some momentum, but we're going to lose Patterson regardless, and maybe a couple other offensive players if they have a big game. This is going to be a very different team in fall 2020, no matter what happens against Alabama.

I'd like to see us win, but am expecting a blowout loss & misery, followed by a lot of pundits talking about how "good" the SEC is, how Harbaugh can't win the big one, and how he should leave for the NFL, or other nonsense speculation... all of which are only "true" to the same extent college football players in 2019 are amateur student athletes...

fuck it

 

[bphillips4gg]

I don't think that the outcome of this game is the only thing that influences future success, but michigan is in purgatory right now and the only way to change that is to start winning. Recruits may not only look at win-loss records, but it plays a role for a lot of them. I remember that it was pretty much said that Harrison picked OSU last year entirely because of the outcome of the game.

I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Michigan is not and will never be an elite program. The best we can probably hope for is something like Auburn where they get everything to fall their way once every 20 years and sneak in to win a natty. However, if they have any chance of changing the narrative it's going to take a few unexpected wins over the top tier teams. That or paying players and I don't see them doing that until it's actually legal.

 

[thewolverines24]

I don't think that the outcome of this game is the only thing that influences future success, but michigan is in purgatory right now and the only way to change that is to start winning. Recruits may not only look at win-loss records, but it plays a role for a lot of them. I remember that it was pretty much said that Harrison picked OSU last year entirely because of the outcome of the game.

I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Michigan is not and will never be an elite program. The best we can probably hope for is something like Auburn where they get everything to fall their way once every 20 years and sneak in to win a natty. However, if they have any chance of changing the narrative it's going to take a few unexpected wins over the top tier teams. That or paying players and I don't see them doing that until it's actually legal.

It's past time to pay the players. Legitimately.

Even the man who built the NCAA realized that back in the 1980s. He knew the NCAA was exploiting athletes for profit. He wanted to tear down what he built and allow the players to be properly paid. https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2017/10/13/walter-byers-ncaa

 

[Michchamp]

... That or paying players and I don't see them doing that until it's actually legal.

yeah, that's why I don't care as much anymore. it was never perfect, but I think it's gotten a whole hell of a lot worse since the early 00's.

 

[hungry]

I have a couple friends share these same sentiments, about how important it is to win this game convincingly for the future.

I don't know.

The next football season is a long ways away, and if the end of one season really holds that much sway over the next season, we'd never see programs rise and fall like we do.

It may provide some momentum, but we're going to lose Patterson regardless, and maybe a couple other offensive players if they have a big game. This is going to be a very different team in fall 2020, no matter what happens against Alabama.

I'd like to see us win, but am expecting a blowout loss & misery, followed by a lot of pundits talking about how "good" the SEC is, how Harbaugh can't win the big one, and how he should leave for the NFL, or other nonsense speculation... all of which are only "true" to the same extent college football players in 2019 are amateur student athletes...

fuck it

On offense, they lose 2 guards, a tackle, and Patterson

Until someone else declares for the NFL, that's all

McKeon, too, I guess, but he isn't an every down player anyway.

 

[hungry]

The ol' Harbaugh is a horrible coach, but he should go be a coach in the NFL!!!

makes a lot of sense...

 

[Michchamp]

It's past time to pay the players. Legitimately.

Even the man who built the NCAA realized that back in the 1980s. He knew the NCAA was exploiting athletes for profit. He wanted to tear down what he built and allow the players to be properly paid. https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2017/10/13/walter-byers-ncaa

Whoa. Great article.

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."​

"neo plantation"... ouch.

also...

In 1995, he published his memoir. He called it "Unsportsmanlike Conduct," and it?s basically a takedown of all he had built, and an apology for how little he had been able to do, in the end, to fix it.

But the book didn?t make much of a splash.​

I found it on Amazon, used for cheap. Byers died in 2015, so I'll buy a used copy. I generally buy new copies of author's I support if they're still alive so they get credit/royalties.

Keep an eye out here for a book review, to be posted after the holidays...

 

[thewolverines24]

Whoa. Great article.

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."​

"neo plantation"... ouch.

also...

In 1995, he published his memoir. He called it "Unsportsmanlike Conduct," and it?s basically a takedown of all he had built, and an apology for how little he had been able to do, in the end, to fix it.

But the book didn?t make much of a splash.​

I found it on Amazon, used for cheap. Byers died in 2015, so I'll buy a used copy. I generally buy new copies of author's I support if they're still alive so they get credit/royalties.

Keep an eye out here for a book review, to be posted after the holidays...

Just purchased my copy as well. Can't wait to read his book.

 

[Michchamp]

the part about the NCAA losing the right (via lawsuit) to negotiate all TV contracts in 1984 is interesting.

I kinda wonder if that was the start of the slide to the NCAA being impotent in terms of enforcing rules against the schools and conferences, and the schools leading a "race to the bottom" in terms of flouting those same rules to get a competitive advantage?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I found it on Amazon, used for cheap. Byers died in 2015, so I'll buy a used copy. I generally buy new copies of author's I support if they're still alive so they get credit/royalties.

Try to get a recently autographed copy.

 

[hungry]

Scoring D

Alabama 18.8
Michigan 19.5

 

[tomdalton22]

It's past time to pay the players. Legitimately.

Even the man who built the NCAA realized that back in the 1980s. He knew the NCAA was exploiting athletes for profit. He wanted to tear down what he built and allow the players to be properly paid. https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2017/10/13/walter-byers-ncaa

so pay the players that generate money and get rid of the scholarships for the players & sports that don't.

 

[Michchamp]

so pay the players that generate money and get rid of the scholarships for the players & sports that don't.

sure. why not?

I don't think the benefits we get from having a women's crew team that no one watches or cares about outweigh the damage done from having the exploitative and sleazy regime of football and basketball.

If they really want to play the sport, there are always club teams.

also, I'd wager most of the people that play non-revenue sports are rich kids anyway that would be in college whether or not they received scholarships. who is it really helping?

 

[Michchamp]

I'm also skeptical of the idea that revenue sports really benefit anyone outside of the feeding trough for that sport.

Pat Forde pointed out that before Clemson football went "semi pro" and ramped up its program facilities and hired Dabo, it actually ELIMINATED several varsity sports. Clemson fans were pretty pissed at him for that.

 

[byco42]

Our great grandkids will have to go to an exhibit to watch football reenactments, because no one will be playing it in 50 years. IMHO. The sport is already dying on its feet; no one realizes it yet.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Our great grandkids will have to go to an exhibit to watch football reenactments, because no one will be playing it in 50 years. IMHO. The sport is already dying on its feet; no one realizes it yet.

Will people be participating in them like Civil War Battle Re-enactments, or will everything just be on video?

 

[byco42]

Will people be participating in them like Civil War Battle Re-enactments, or will everything just be on video?

I think they will be live, but not lethal.

 

[Michchamp]

I think they will be live, but not lethal.

Every November in Columbus they'll re-enact Woody's historic 63-0 victory over Bo's 1969 team. only it will look more like pro-wrestling than football as we know it, and will also be a statewide holiday in all of Ohio.

 

[byco42]

Every November in Columbus they'll re-enact Woody's historic 63-0 victory over Bo's 1969 team. only it will look more like pro-wrestling than football as we know it, and will also be a statewide holiday in all of Ohio.

Forgot to mention that Ohio secedes from the US to preserve football and the rest of the nation says ?thank you.?

 

[Michchamp]

Forgot to mention that Ohio secedes from the US to preserve football and the rest of the nation says ?thank you.?

... but still asks the US for medicare expansion to cope with the cost of 90% of male ohioans developing CTE and requiring round-the-clock nursing care...