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[wheels002]

I think though we can give CJ his long term deal now and get a little cap relief while doing it.

 

[lp4ever41]

what is the current KVB contract? i forget what how many years he signed for. not opposed to keeping him until it expires, but he is obviously declining so i see him being re-signed but only for less money and playing as #3 or 4 DE. would be tough to lose his leadership and motivation skills though.

4 years 26 million...10 of it guaranteed and paid in the 1st year.

he's set to make 5 million per in 2012 and 13...all salary , none of it guaranteed...he can be cut , traded , whatever with no cap hit.

getting rid of him would actually open up 5 million on the books for 2012.

He had a signing bonus, those can create dead money.

Anyways, he's going nowhere

 

[imthetruth]

I like Cliff but he isn't good in run and he's a one trick pony when is comes to pass rush.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Would you sign Dwight Feeney? He isn't any good against the run either.

 

[lp4ever41]

Mitch[/color]]Would you sign Dwight Feeney? He isn't any good against the run either.

Not for $12 million per year. Not even in his prime, and he was much better in pass rush in his prime than Avril ever will be

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]Would you sign Dwight Feeney? He isn't any good against the run either.

Not for $12 million per year. Not even in his prime, and he was much better in pass rush in his prime than Avril ever will be

My point being some of the best DE can't stop the run.

 

[lp4ever41]

Mitch[/color]]

Not for $12 million per year. Not even in his prime, and he was much better in pass rush in his prime than Avril ever will be

My point being some of the best DE can't stop the run.

I understand. Look, I like Cliff. I would be ok with up to $8 million per year. I think thats reasonable. But he said he wants a contract like Hali or Charles Johnson, which is $12 million per year. The cap will be around $120 million this year. You wanna give him 10% of our cap? Its just not worth it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well personally I'd take a 2nd round pick for him.

 

[mhughes0021]

You guys are hilarious. Avril was our BEST DL this year. Who cares if he benefits from our other DL getting double-teamed? He played lights out this year...

Why break up that DL now? KVB is gone soon and we still have guys like Young and LoJack who could fill in.

1. I don't think he played lights out. He got a bunch of coverage sacks, and he (like most of our DL) got owned regularly against the run.
2. The worst time to pay someone is after a career year (stats wise, of course).

I don't want the Lions to simply let him walk, but slapping a tag on him and then shipping somewhere for a 2nd (or maybe even a 1st, pass rushers are always overvalued) seems like a better idea, especially when you take a look at our cap situation. A lot of players are gonna see a jump in salary. Re-signing Avril means theres little chance to improve the secondary.

Also, it hasn't been talked about much on here, but I don't think Corey Williams should be brought back with that high cap #. He has lost a step and we can't afford to pay him $5-6 mil IMO

i agree with you but ill go a step further. 11 frikken sacks and 2 TFL for an entire season is NOT a career year. Its definitely not a year worth hali money. My dead grandma would have rushed Brees better than he did. I watched him a lot that game and he flat out sucked. If he asks for too much money you let him walk. The position needs to be upgraded anyways. Weve given him enough chances to put up good numbers....hes 1 v 1 EVERY single play and he just did not produce the way a guy that only has to beat 1 guy for 16 games should if he wants to be paid that much.

 

[lions2011]

4 years 26 million...10 of it guaranteed and paid in the 1st year.

he's set to make 5 million per in 2012 and 13...all salary , none of it guaranteed...he can be cut , traded , whatever with no cap hit.

getting rid of him would actually open up 5 million on the books for 2012.

He had a signing bonus, those can create dead money.

Anyways, he's going nowhere

seriously dude educate yourself...his bonus was all guaranteed in year 1 of his deal..it wasn't spread out.

the Lions were very smart when they signed KVB and Burleson they front loaded both deals so their would be ZERO cap hit in 2012 or 2013 when they were in year 3 and 4 of those deals and getting older.

KVB can be traded or cut with NO cap hit.

 

[tonyballs]

He had a signing bonus, those can create dead money.

Anyways, he's going nowhere

seriously dude educate yourself...his bonus was all guaranteed in year 1 of his deal..it wasn't spread out.

the Lions were very smart when they signed KVB and Burleson they front loaded both deals so their would be ZERO cap hit in 2012 or 2013 when they were in year 3 and 4 of those deals and getting older.

KVB can be traded or cut with NO cap hit.

Keep spoonfeeding it to him, bro. He's bound to swallow sooner or later....my God..lol.

 

[tonyballs]

1. I don't think he played lights out. He got a bunch of coverage sacks, and he (like most of our DL) got owned regularly against the run.
2. The worst time to pay someone is after a career year (stats wise, of course).

I don't want the Lions to simply let him walk, but slapping a tag on him and then shipping somewhere for a 2nd (or maybe even a 1st, pass rushers are always overvalued) seems like a better idea, especially when you take a look at our cap situation. A lot of players are gonna see a jump in salary. Re-signing Avril means theres little chance to improve the secondary.

Also, it hasn't been talked about much on here, but I don't think Corey Williams should be brought back with that high cap #. He has lost a step and we can't afford to pay him $5-6 mil IMO

i agree with you but ill go a step further. 11 frikken sacks and 2 TFL for an entire season is NOT a career year. Its definitely not a year worth hali money. My dead grandma would have rushed Brees better than he did. I watched him a lot that game and he flat out sucked. If he asks for too much money you let him walk. The position needs to be upgraded anyways. Weve given him enough chances to put up good numbers....hes 1 v 1 EVERY single play and he just did not produce the way a guy that only has to beat 1 guy for 16 games should if he wants to be paid that much.

He's improved EVERY year he's been a Lion. The one stat you forgot to mention (6 FF). I believe that led the league...not 100% on that though. He's a playmaker on defense......reup him. It's a priority.

 

[lions2011]

seriously dude educate yourself...his bonus was all guaranteed in year 1 of his deal..it wasn't spread out.

the Lions were very smart when they signed KVB and Burleson they front loaded both deals so their would be ZERO cap hit in 2012 or 2013 when they were in year 3 and 4 of those deals and getting older.

KVB can be traded or cut with NO cap hit.

Keep spoonfeeding it to him, bro. He's bound to swallow sooner or later....my God..lol.

I agree with him that he isn't going anywhere...he had a decent year 35 tackles 8 sacks 4 FF....not bad for 3.8 million this year.

and still a decent buy at 5 million next year.

 

[tbone413]

What are the chances that the Lions try to restructure both KVB and Burleson's contracts? Wouldnt that be able to free up some money?

 

[mhughes0021]

i agree with you but ill go a step further. 11 frikken sacks and 2 TFL for an entire season is NOT a career year. Its definitely not a year worth hali money. My dead grandma would have rushed Brees better than he did. I watched him a lot that game and he flat out sucked. If he asks for too much money you let him walk. The position needs to be upgraded anyways. Weve given him enough chances to put up good numbers....hes 1 v 1 EVERY single play and he just did not produce the way a guy that only has to beat 1 guy for 16 games should if he wants to be paid that much.

He's improved EVERY year he's been a Lion. The one stat you forgot to mention (6 FF). I believe that led the league...not 100% on that though. He's a playmaker on defense......reup him. It's a priority.

for sure tony....hes just not a guy id overpay and he may see this as his only shot to get a big contract. its going to be all up to him. He was our best producer along the line....thats just not much to brag about unfortunately. It should be a priority i agree....but i still think we need to upgrade that position before were going to get any better. The money needs to be right or else i have a feeling mayhew lets him walk.

 

[mhughes0021]

The biggest probelem i have with avril is we have this same argument every single year lol. Which means sure...hes our biggest producer, but hes not that good either. Its been the same argument for the last 3 years.

The thing Avril has going for him is the FA DE class is horrid and old. Calaiss Campbell might be the only upper echelon guy....and alot of teams might put Avril ahead of him. Abraham is good but heading into the tail end of his career and seems destined to be a falcon lifer.

Even if i wanted to get rid of Avril theres not much in FA you can target to replace him.....we might be stuck paying him more than we want to :/

 

[grandy]

I'd be willing to live with LoJack+Willie Young for a season if it means adding a nice FA in the secondary.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'd be willing to live with LoJack+Willie Young for a season if it means adding a nice FA in the secondary.

IMO, this combo for 16 games can put up double digit sacks.

 

[lp4ever41]

He had a signing bonus, those can create dead money.

Anyways, he's going nowhere

seriously dude educate yourself...his bonus was all guaranteed in year 1 of his deal..it wasn't spread out.

the Lions were very smart when they signed KVB and Burleson they front loaded both deals so their would be ZERO cap hit in 2012 or 2013 when they were in year 3 and 4 of those deals and getting older.

KVB can be traded or cut with NO cap hit.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8/17/2368968/nfl-salary-cap-detroit-lions-matthew-stafford-kyle-vanden-bosch

He has a signing bonus. He got it when he restructured. Thats prorated. Otherwise, its not a signing bonus. Educate YOURSELF. When he signed initially, he had $10 mil in first year. But he restructured. And he got a signing bonus. So, he got the same money this year, but it got spread out over the three years.

 

[lp4ever41]

seriously dude educate yourself...his bonus was all guaranteed in year 1 of his deal..it wasn't spread out.

the Lions were very smart when they signed KVB and Burleson they front loaded both deals so their would be ZERO cap hit in 2012 or 2013 when they were in year 3 and 4 of those deals and getting older.

KVB can be traded or cut with NO cap hit.

Keep spoonfeeding it to him, bro. He's bound to swallow sooner or later....my God..lol.

LMAO I think you need to spoon-fed.