Ranked 8th in both AP and coaches

[tinselwolverine]

So, if all the teams lose (Georgia, OK, and OSU) you think Georgia would stay in the #4 spot?

A two loss conference game qualifier will get in over a two loss team that didn’t make it to its conference championship game.

All three get in over Michigan, and also UCF if they win Saturday.

Michigan is out.

EDIT: I forgot 3 loss Big 12 Champion Texas in this scenario. Also either Washington or Utah will be a three loss conference champion. Both go in ahead of idle Michigan.

Neither Pitt nor Northwestern could get in with a shocking upset.

 

[biggunsbob]

Michigan probably wouldn’t even get in if they moved it all of a sudden to 8 teams playoff that spanking was so bad.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Michigan probably wouldn?t even get in if they moved it all of a sudden to 8 teams playoff that spanking was so bad.

Unless they moved it all of a sudden to an eight team playoff but they also all of a sudden decided to play the entire play off on Mars.

Then yeah, maybe Michigan could get in.

 

[tsume99]

Unless they moved it all of a sudden to an eight team playoff but they also all of a sudden decided to play the entire play off on Mars.

Then yeah, maybe Michigan could get in.

Even if Michigan could get in, they probably wouldn't win, since playing on Mars would mean playing on the road.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Even if Michigan could get in, they probably wouldn't win, since playing on Mars would mean playing on the road.

Well, technically it would be a neutral site.

 

[byco42]

I'm going to continue to promote that Michigan go to the Swiss Cheese Stay-at-Home bowl and use December as the month to practice defending crossing routes, basic pass-rushing and pass-protect fundamentals and the coaches can review basic team mental preparation and opponent-scouting skills.

Oh, and to restore the austere, stoic and traditional ethos of Michigan football as a program that actually demonstrates its successes on the field rather than mindlessly running at the mouth and posting on social media.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

Even if Michigan could get in, they probably wouldn't win, since playing on Mars would mean playing on the road.

Yes, this is a good point. But the gravity is less on Mars so that might make a difference. I think the speed of the SEC would become a disadvantage because of the change in momentum would carry players off the field. On the other hand, we would probably see 100 yard passes and punts. Kickoffs, punts and fleld goals might also be a problem, unless they put up nets to keep the ball from floating away. Mars would probably not be a good place to have games.

Oh, and remember, as someone pointed out in another thread, Michigan is the B1G co- eastern division champion. So, they have that working in their favor.

 

[byco42]

Yes, this is a good point. But the gravity is less on Mars so that might make a difference. I think the speed of the SEC would become a disadvantage because of the change in momentum would carry players off the field. On the other hand, we would probably see 100 yard passes and punts. Kickoffs, punts and fleld goals might also be a problem, unless they put up nets to keep the ball from floating away. Mars would probably not be a good place to have games.

Oh, and remember, as someone pointed out in another thread, Michigan is the B1G co- eastern division champion. So, they have that working in their favor.

Michigan never won on Mars. Or in Columbus since almost the Beginning of Time.

 

[Michlady]

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/mi/ohst.shtml

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm going to continue to promote that Michigan go to the Swiss Cheese Stay-at-Home bowl and use December as the month to practice defending crossing routes, basic pass-rushing and pass-protect fundamentals and the coaches can review basic team mental preparation and opponent-scouting skills.

Oh, and to restore the austere, stoic and traditional ethos of Michigan football as a program that actually demonstrates its successes on the field rather than mindlessly running at the mouth and posting on social media.

We’ve talked about this in years past.

I am pretty sure Michigan has contractual obligations to the conference and the conference has contractual obligations to the bowls that it is tied into, and the bowls have contractual obligations to the networks that telecast them and to the tourist destinations where of the venues are located.

I think flaking on a bowl is not an option.

At the end of the day, it’s a business.

EDIT:

This is from a Los Angeles Times article from 2014. In the article Bill Dwyre suggests that for various reasons both Notre Dame and UCLA should have considered declining a bowl invitation for that season; nevertheless he did concede that UCLA could likely face a legal challenge PAC however many it was that season were it to have done so.

I am also finding anecdotal evidence, albeit from not sources not as reliable as the Los Angeles times, that Michigan wouldn’t even be allowed it to practice in December were it not preparing for an upcoming game.

Unlike the haggard and beleaguered barely qualifying also ran UCLA Bruins of the 2014 season that Dwyre was writing about in the linked to article, This year’s Michigan Wolverines team appears to be going into the bowl season as the fourth highest ranked team outside of the CFP in the country. Should things fall into place, the Rose Bowl is a possibility, if that doesn’t pan out, Michigan will surely be invited to a very prestigious bowl.

The notion that that team would turn down a bowl invitation?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVjs4aobqsHey

 

[rumseyhouse77]

A two loss conference game qualifier will get in over a two loss team that didn?t make it to its conference championship game.

All three get in over Michigan, and also UCF if they win Saturday.

Michigan is out.

EDIT: I forgot 3 loss Big 12 Champion Texas in this scenario. Also either Washington or Utah will be a three loss conference champion. Both go in ahead of idle Michigan.

Neither Pitt nor Northwestern could get in with a shocking upset.

Okay, but look at it this way, which is worse?
A conference championship qualifier to have two losses, including one of the losses being by 29 points to an unranked team (that is a blowout!!), and the other to a team that is ranked 21st in both the AP and coaches poll.
or
A team that has two losses, one by one touchdown to a team that is ranked 3rd in both polls, and the other loss being by 23 points to a team that was and is ranked in the top 10 in both polls.
Which is worse? Which would be more deserving to go to the CFP? I think the first one is worse than the second. That 29 point blowout to an unranked team really sticks out! Oh, and throw in to that the fact that the second team beat the team that is ranked 21st and defeated the other team in the conference championship.

So, I think in the event Bama beats Georgia (that lost to a 13th ranked team remember), and Texas (that lost to an unranked OKSt, and currently 15th ranked WVU) beats OU, and NW beats OSU, Michigan will be and should be in consideration for the CFP. I know my fellow Michigan fans are feeling down and shocked by the results Saturday, but it may not be as bad as we think. You have to look at the season in its entirety. We need to stop reading the press clippings on how bad the game was! I don't think any of these game outcomes are far-fetched. NW beat Purdue, they could beat OSU. Unless you have allowed OSU to get into your head so deep that you think they get in to the CFP whether or not they win the B1G championship, or that Georgia will get in over Michigan even if they lose to Bama, or that OK gets in even if they lose to TX. The way this season has gone I'll wait for the outcomes of these games on Saturday and hope the committee takes the entire season into consideration.

Now, realistically, if all these things come to pass and Michigan were to get the 4th spot in the CFP, I think they would be crushed by Bama, but I think that is true of all these teams including OSU. The only team that can hang with Bama right now is Clemson. So, hoping for the 4th spot for all the teams involved is like hoping to be the sacrificial lamb being taken to slaughter.

 

[tsume99]

At this point I don't even care where they end up. I just want them to not embarrass themselves in their next game.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Okay, but look at it this way, which is worse?
A conference championship qualifier to have two losses, including one of the losses being by 29 points to an unranked team (that is a blowout!!), and the other to a team that is ranked 21st in both the AP and coaches poll.
or
A team that has two losses, one by one touchdown to a team that is ranked 3rd in both polls, and the other loss being by 23 points to a team that was and is ranked in the top 10 in both polls.
Which is worse? Which would be more deserving to go to the CFP? I think the first one is worse than the second. That 29 point blowout to an unranked team really sticks out! Oh, and throw in to that the fact that the second team beat the team that is ranked 21st and defeated the other team in the conference championship.

So, I think in the event Bama beats Georgia (that lost to a 13th ranked team remember), and Texas (that lost to an unranked OKSt, and currently 15th ranked WVU) beats OU, and NW beats OSU, Michigan will be and should be in consideration for the CFP. I know my fellow Michigan fans are feeling down and shocked by the results Saturday, but it may not be as bad as we think. You have to look at the season in its entirety. We need to stop reading the press clippings on how bad the game was! I don't think any of these game outcomes are far-fetched. NW beat Purdue, they could beat OSU. Unless you have allowed OSU to get into your head so deep that you think they get in to the CFP whether or not they win the B1G championship, or that Georgia will get in over Michigan even if they lose to Bama, or that OK gets in even if they lose to TX. The way this season has gone I'll wait for the outcomes of these games on Saturday and hope the committee takes the entire season into consideration.

Now, realistically, if all these things come to pass and Michigan were to get the 4th spot in the CFP, I think they would be crushed by Bama, but I think that is true of all these teams including OSU. The only team that can hang with Bama right now is Clemson. So, hoping for the 4th spot for all the teams involved is like hoping to be the sacrificial lamb being taken to slaughter.

That is a big wall of text.

I had to read about the initial unnamed team in your intro several times to realize you were talking about OSU.

In the unlikely event that Northwestern beats Ohio State, no B1G gets team gets in.

In that case, Alabama and Georgia will both be in, along with Notre Dame and Clemson-even if Clemson loses-again very unlikely, to Pitt-they’re in nevertheless.

Just realized caveat: Oklahoma could get in over George out if they beat Texas should Georgia lose, which they probably will.

The buckeyes are the only B1G team with a chance to make the CFP.

Again, if they lose Saturday, the B1G is out.

No team who doesn’t play this Saturday, except for Notre Dame, it’s going to get into the CFP.

We are all going to wait for the outcome of the games but if every scenario you outlined happens Michigan is still not going to get in.

EDIT: I went back and double checked your post number 20 and my post number 21, and post number 20 you were specifically talking about would Georgia drop if both Oklahoma and Ohio State lost. The answer is no-And that is specifically what I was responding to, your post number 21- if both Oklahoma and Ohio State lose Georgia is in.

EDIT 2: Or maybe UCF gets in if all lose.

But idle Michigan won’t jump Georgia- nor Alabama nor Clemson nor Notre Dame - no
matter what happens.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm seeing double.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Okay, but look at it this way, which is worse?
A conference championship qualifier to have two losses, including one of the losses being by 29 points to an unranked team (that is a blowout!!), and the other to a team that is ranked 21st in both the AP and coaches poll.
or
A team that has two losses, one by one touchdown to a team that is ranked 3rd in both polls, and the other loss being by 23 points to a team that was and is ranked in the top 10 in both polls.
Which is worse? Which would be more deserving to go to the CFP? I think the first one is worse than the second. That 29 point blowout to an unranked team really sticks out! Oh, and throw in to that the fact that the second team beat the team that is ranked 21st and defeated the other team in the conference championship.

So, I think in the event Bama beats Georgia (that lost to a 13th ranked team remember), and Texas (that lost to an unranked OKSt, and currently 15th ranked WVU) beats OU, and NW beats OSU, Michigan will be and should be in consideration for the CFP. I know my fellow Michigan fans are feeling down and shocked by the results Saturday, but it may not be as bad as we think. You have to look at the season in its entirety. We need to stop reading the press clippings on how bad the game was! I don't think any of these game outcomes are far-fetched. NW beat Purdue, they could beat OSU. Unless you have allowed OSU to get into your head so deep that you think they get in to the CFP whether or not they win the B1G championship, or that Georgia will get in over Michigan even if they lose to Bama, or that OK gets in even if they lose to TX. The way this season has gone I'll wait for the outcomes of these games on Saturday and hope the committee takes the entire season into consideration.

Now, realistically, if all these things come to pass and Michigan were to get the 4th spot in the CFP, I think they would be crushed by Bama, but I think that is true of all these teams including OSU. The only team that can hang with Bama right now is Clemson. So, hoping for the 4th spot for all the teams involved is like hoping to be the sacrificial lamb being taken to slaughter.

It's not the 23 point loss it's the fact they gave up 62 points. There should be a clause that if you give up 62 points you get banned from the post season for 23 years.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm seeing double.

Yeah I don?t know how that happened. I deleted one of them.

 

[tomdalton22]

Okay, but look at it this way, which is worse?
A conference championship qualifier to have two losses, including one of the losses being by 29 points to an unranked team (that is a blowout!!), and the other to a team that is ranked 21st in both the AP and coaches poll.
or
A team that has two losses, one by one touchdown to a team that is ranked 3rd in both polls, and the other loss being by 23 points to a team that was and is ranked in the top 10 in both polls.
Which is worse? Which would be more deserving to go to the CFP? I think the first one is worse than the second. That 29 point blowout to an unranked team really sticks out! Oh, and throw in to that the fact that the second team beat the team that is ranked 21st and defeated the other team in the conference championship.

So, I think in the event Bama beats Georgia (that lost to a 13th ranked team remember), and Texas (that lost to an unranked OKSt, and currently 15th ranked WVU) beats OU, and NW beats OSU, Michigan will be and should be in consideration for the CFP. I know my fellow Michigan fans are feeling down and shocked by the results Saturday, but it may not be as bad as we think. You have to look at the season in its entirety. We need to stop reading the press clippings on how bad the game was! I don't think any of these game outcomes are far-fetched. NW beat Purdue, they could beat OSU. Unless you have allowed OSU to get into your head so deep that you think they get in to the CFP whether or not they win the B1G championship, or that Georgia will get in over Michigan even if they lose to Bama, or that OK gets in even if they lose to TX. The way this season has gone I'll wait for the outcomes of these games on Saturday and hope the committee takes the entire season into consideration.

Now, realistically, if all these things come to pass and Michigan were to get the 4th spot in the CFP, I think they would be crushed by Bama, but I think that is true of all these teams including OSU. The only team that can hang with Bama right now is Clemson. So, hoping for the 4th spot for all the teams involved is like hoping to be the sacrificial lamb being taken to slaughter.

UM would get consideration if

Bama beats Georgia by 60
Clemson wins
Texas barely beats OK
NW needs to crush OSU
UCF loses

In that VERY unlikely scenario, it would probably come down to Texas or UM

 

[byco42]

Playoffs? Playoffs?

 

[tinselwolverine]

UM would get consideration if

Bama beats Georgia by 60
Clemson wins
Texas barely beats OK
NW needs to crush OSU
UCF loses

In that VERY unlikely scenario, it would probably come down to Texas or UM

Nope.

OK, GA or TX #4.

Clemson stays in, even if they lose.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

In their loss to unranked Purdue, OSU played just as bad if not worse than Michigan did on Saturday. I know we are all down right now, and understandably so, but looking at the season and the situation right now, things really aint that bad.

Tinsel, I wrote my post that way on purpose to try to get past the OSU mystique that is in our heads right now. OSU has not had a great season. We can't let them get into our heads.

I'll be happy however things work out in the end. Michigan had a great season overall whether they get into the CFP or not. If they don't then they will have a better chance to win their bowl game and get to 11 wins on the season. That would be great!