Report: Lions and Suh NOT close to a deal

[LKP]

We can still tag Fairley. But yes lose out on 4.2 million compared to the 5th year option. 9.7 million (right now, could go up next year) compared to 5.5 million. And letting Suh walk we get about 4 million more in cap room in 2015 compared to what we have committed now (13 million (this changes with a long term deal) down to 9 million dead money if he walks). And then of course you could lower Fairley's franchise number if you get a long term deal by July 15.

I'd rather give Suh a long term deal than Fairley still despite the 2016 cap room and 3rd round comp pick (2016) that would come. People seem to be taking Suh's production for granted.

Franchising Fariely would put us at 134 million committed. Then we have the 1.9 carryover so we would be under the current cap. This cap number could rise over 133. Depends how much. Then you get 3.1 million cutting Jason Jones which gives wiggle room. Possible to franchise Fairley but not optimal.

 

[inkfreq]

Option A is obviously a long term deal for Suh.

I don't even know if Option B would be a tag for Fairley. There's a lot to be played out before we get to next off-season. However, there have been reports the cap could reach $150M next season with the new TV deal.

Here is what I suspect:

Fairley is going to explode this year. Why? Because he did the same crap in college. Ton's of potential, but never lived up to it until he was playing for the money in his final year.

He's flashed here at being among the best DTs in the game, but has no focus until he's playing for the money, and the Lions know it, which is why they didn't extend him.

He's going to play out of his mind this season for that big payday, and then we have the option to tag him for reasonable money, and keep him hungry for another year.

My grandpa used to say "Do you know what you feed a dray horse in the morning if you want a day's work out of him? Just enough so he knows he's hungry".

Fairley is a guy who will perform at his best when he's hungry, but once he gets his big payday, he's done.

 

[LKP]

That's why Mayhew never 5th year optioned him. Fairley will be motivated this year. And they need him motivated this year. Now next year they can franchise him. Essentially another contract year, unless they sign him long term before the franchise deadline. Two contract years in a row would be a good thing. However, almost 10 million is a hefty cap number in 2015 for Fariley IMO. All depends on the cap increase. If it's 150 million, heck yeah you franchise him.

 

[dubbsco]

You play a real dangerous game not getting contracts done just for the sake of having players "motivated" in their final year. I would much rather see the GM getting deals done with these guys, and they can prove they truly want to be here. Because there is a potential for both of them to be gone after this season for greener pastures. And if that happens, all of that work that was put into the defensive line is basically evaporated.

 

[LKP]

You play a real dangerous game not getting contracts done just for the sake of having players "motivated" in their final year. I would much rather see the GM getting deals done with these guys, and they can prove they truly want to be here. Because there is a potential for both of them to be gone after this season for greener pastures. And if that happens, all of that work that was put into the defensive line is basically evaporated.

So you wanted them to sign Fairley long term this offseason?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Sun's gone..I can't imagine we work a deal during the season and someone will have more money to offer. With Suh and Fairley we won 11 games in two years..so if we lose them both no harm no foul. Though I don't trust Mayhew enough to do something with all this extra cash..

 

[tomdalton22]

Sun's gone..I can't imagine we work a deal during the season and someone will have more money to offer. With Suh and Fairley we won 11 games in two years..so if we lose them both no harm no foul. Though I don't trust Mayhew enough to do something with all this extra cash..

He'll sign another WR and TE for Stafford!

 

[LKP]

Tabled discussions until after the season. Woohoo a whole season to discuss this.

 

[motown1958]

I hate that they couldn't get Suh's deal done. It bothers me going into the season and having that tabled when it could have been done already. Now we are talking about tagging him next offseason which is not optimal.

 

[tomdalton22]

Should have drafted Donald....or Nix in the 3rd if they want to go to a 3-4

 

[grandy]

I have a bad feeling we might be DT-less come March 2015

 

[tomdalton22]

From ESPN article:

In February at the NFL combine, Mayhew said he felt a deal would get done with Suh close to the start of free agency. It did not.

"It's been a complicated process," Mayhew said. "I thought it would get done. At the combine I thought it would get done around the start of free agency possibly. After the draft, I thought probably by now. Now, I think probably next year."

Mayhew did say Monday he couldn't say for sure the team would reach a deal with Suh before he would hit the free-agent market in March



Sounds like Mayhew doesn't know what to think!!!

 

[mhughes0021]

awwww how cute....lewand still thinks he has leverage in this situation. Suh shelfed your talks months ago you dumbass lol.

Lions table Ndamukong Suh talks


Updated: July 28, 2014, 3:54 PM ET
By Michael Rothstein | ESPN.com

[+] EnlargeNdamukong Suh
AP Photo/Rick OsentoskiNdamukong Suh will have to wait until after the 2014 season to get a new deal from the Lions.


ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- Ndamukong Suh will not have a deal until at least after the 2014 NFL season.

The Detroit Lions announced Monday they are tabling extension conversations with the defensive tackle until after the season ends.

Lions team president Tom Lewand said the team is tabling the talks to concentrate on the season. He remains optimistic on getting a deal done with Suh, who has a $22.4 million cap number this season.

Lewand cited his team's track record on deals for his optimism.

 

[tomdalton22]

I have a bad feeling we might be DT-less come March 2015

Don't worry....they have Reid, Mosley & Fluellen. Also, don't forget that J. Jones was a back up DT for the Seahawks before he became a starting DE for the Lions!

 

[mhughes0021]

Don't worry....they have Reid, Mosley & Fluellen. Also, don't forget that J. Jones was a back up DT for the Seahawks before he became a starting DE for the Lions!

reid and Webster this draft....the writing is on the wall....were going 3-4. fairley and suh should be an afterthought.

 

[tomdalton22]

reid and Webster this draft....the writing is on the wall....were going 3-4. fairley and suh should be an afterthought.

that's fine...$22M is a bit much for a DT anyway!

 

[LKP]

that's fine...$22M is a bit much for a DT anyway!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/

Nice and low every other year. They waited until the cap rose to deal with 22 million.

 

[mhughes0021]

that's fine...$22M is a bit much for a DT anyway!

fine with me....no way 3 players should be 55% of your cap. time to try putting together an actual team and not a bunch of underperforming overpaid "superstars." Calvin is the only 1 of the 3 worth the money hes paid.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/

Nice and low every other year. They waited until the cap rose to deal with 22 million.

which is the dumbest shit ever cause now you cant franchise him lmao......our gm is such a dumb shit.

 

[LKP]

which is the dumbest shit ever cause now you cant franchise him lmao......our gm is such a dumb shit.

No it was smart. Since we needed room in those other years. Quin, Bush, Levy, Tulloch are here because of that. And then 22 million didn't hurt at all.

It's new deal or nothing. Fuck the franchise tag.