Report: Lions and Suh NOT close to a deal

[evolutionkb]

If the Lions go to the playoffs this year, I think he stays. I don't see him taking a little bit more money to go somewhere like Oakland.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe those guys didn't want a 14 plus million per year deal on contract 2. Not many of them played DT I'm sure either. Each is it's own situation.

Suh is being ridiculous. Not many players start out on a 12 million per year deal. The guy has plenty of money. Is 14 million or more per really necessary?

Or maybe the Lions just lowballed him. We'll find out eventually.

Hey you made sense..

With regards to salary, it's a pro sport for most a certain number is never good enough. He never has to worry about money, most don't..but they want that extra 2-4 mill .. competition or something.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If the Lions go to the playoffs this year, I think he stays. I don't see him taking a little bit more money to go somewhere like Oakland.

Nah. He'll go to somewhere that has a better than 1 in 57. They want playoff wins, super bowls..he won't get that here.

 

[LKP]

Hey you made sense..

With regards to salary, it's a pro sport for most a certain number is never good enough. He never has to worry about money, most don't..but they want that extra 2-4 mill .. competition or something.

I always make sense. People just want to be negative just to be negative. Everything thing I say is plausible or a fact of what happened.

Ego possibly. I'm all for maximizing your worth. But over a few million it just gets ridiculous to be squabbling over that. 10 million per year. 14 million per year. Big deal. Rich is rich.

For Suh's sake, I hope it's about winning. I'd at least respect that. And hope he changes his mind if he have a winning season in 2014.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And then you become a dick..well played.

 

[LKP]

And then you become a dick..well played.

Nope I did not. That was just your weird interpretation of what I said.

 

[lgolfer]

I always make sense. People just want to be negative just to be negative. Everything thing I say is plausible or a fact of what happened.

Ego possibly. I'm all for maximizing your worth. But over a few million it just gets ridiculous to be squabbling over that. 10 million per year. 14 million per year. Big deal. Rich is rich.

For Suh's sake, I hope it's about winning. I'd at least respect that. And hope he changes his mind if he have a winning season in 2014.

The difference between 10 million a year and 14 million a year on a five year deal is 20 million! That's a lot of money!

I think it's ridiculous for any Lions fan to bash Suh for not resigning with Detroit. We've had 1 winning season out of 4 for him to this point. You think he enjoys losing? Plus he can get similar money to what we're offering him with better teams. Unless he loves Detroit, which doesn't appear to be true currently, it would be a no-brainer to go to a better team.

 

[mhughes0021]

The difference between 10 million a year and 14 million a year on a five year deal is 20 million! That's a lot of money!

I think it's ridiculous for any Lions fan to bash Suh for not resigning with Detroit. We've had 1 winning season out of 4 for him to this point. You think he enjoys losing? Plus he can get similar money to what we're offering him with better teams. Unless he loves Detroit, which doesn't appear to be true currently, it would be a no-brainer to go to a better team.

im bashing mayhew for letting it get to this. people that are that good that don't want to be here....you franchise. but our moron paid him the most money he could in his final year of the deal making him completely unfranchisable.....just brilliant.

 

[LKP]

im bashing mayhew for letting it get to this. people that are that good that don't want to be here....you franchise. but our moron paid him the most money he could in his final year of the deal making him completely unfranchisable.....just brilliant.

Mayhew restructured twice for many reasons.

Quin,Bush,Tulloch,Levy. That is why Suh's cap number is what it is now. We needed the room in the past. It was smart because now the cap rose so we could still be active this free agency even with him at 22 million.

The restructure added 6.2 million to his cap number for 2015 and 6.2 million this season. It would have been 16 million this yearwithout the restructures thanks to escalators and the 2nd year option bonus that clearly had to be used in 2011. It's still 22.84 million cap franchise number in 2015 WITHOUT THE RESTRUCUTURES. 16.2 million times 120% plus the 3.4 million in option bonus dead money in 2015.

Blaming Mayhew for the cap number is not correct. And there is a reason we restructured (TO ADD GOOD PLAYERS THAT ARE STILL HERE). It's still the old CBA's fault. 22 million(without restructures) or 35.4 million (what it would be now), both absurd.

Suh got a 12.7 million dollar per year deal with escalators. We needed him low several years in the past (when the cap was lower). Mayhew made his cap number the highest the year the cap was the highest. That is smart planning. And they tried to avoid the franchise by negotiating. Suh is just being a bitch. No way you need 14-15 million deal on top of 12.7 million per year deal. The guy didn't deserve the first contract that high even when playing well.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/

 

[grandy]

I think it's ridiculous for any Lions fan to bash Suh for not resigning with Detroit. We've had 1 winning season out of 4 for him to this point. You think he enjoys losing? Plus he can get similar money to what we're offering him with better teams. Unless he loves Detroit, which doesn't appear to be true currently, it would be a no-brainer to go to a better team.

Sounds about right, whether he wants a huge payday or a realistic shot at a ring, he won't get either here.

 

[LKP]

And Mayhew could give him a 14-15 million per year deal. They have the room in 2015 and beyond with only 128 committed in 2015. However, Mayhew must feel he's not worth that. It's not about cap space it's about Suh's worth.

 

[LKP]

Sounds about right, whether he wants a huge payday or a realistic shot at a ring, he won't get either here.

He can get both here. Team is loaded with talent with super bowl coaching. And they can pay him 14/15 million per year if they wanted.

 

[grandy]

Team is loaded with talent

Talent doesn't mean shit if it doesn't translate to wins.

27-37 in Suh's 4 years here, including 2 years below .500 after making the playoffs. That doesn't look promising to me. Facts are facts, 11 wins in 2 years...pathetic.

super bowl coaching

If you're referring to coaches who happened to be on SB teams then yes. If you're talking about SB quality coaching, that's an exaggeration. When I think of SB quality coaches out there today I think of Belichick, McCarthy, Coughlin, Payton, and both Harbaughs...putting Caldwell anywhere close to that crowd is laughable. Caldwell has never been a head coach of a team that has consistently won.

And they can pay him 14/15 million per year if they wanted.

Why the hell would they do that?

 

[dubbsco]

Super Bowl coaching? Caldwell got there because his QB basically coached the team himself. After he went down, the team was finished. Super Bowl coaches don't get fired after three seasons at the helm.

If he was a hot commodity, he would have been snatched up quickly. He wasn't. Lions waited around for Wisenhunt, he snubbed them, so they settled. Super bowl coaching is Mike Tomlin, Bill Bellicheck, Tom Coughlin, Jim Harbaugh. Those are super bowl coaches.

Grandy that's scary that we posted those names at basically the exact same time lol.

 

[LKP]

Talent doesn't mean shit if it doesn't translate to wins.

27-37 in Suh's 4 years here, including 2 years below .500 after making the playoffs. That doesn't look promising to me. Facts are facts, 11 wins in 2 years...pathetic.



If you're referring to coaches who happened to be on SB teams then yes. If you're talking about SB quality coaching, that's an exaggeration. When I think of SB quality coaches out there today I think of Belichick, McCarthy, Coughlin, Payton, and both Harbaughs...putting Caldwell anywhere close to that crowd is laughable. Caldwell has never been a head coach of a team that has consistently won.



Why the hell would they do that?

Not just Caldwell. Lombardi and Austin too.

And talent means evrything going forward. Past records mean nothing.

 

[dubbsco]

I get insulted every time you say past records don't matter. I sat through or listened on the radio to every Lions game since I knew what football was. I grew up with these guys. Their successes and failures are part of the team, whether you like it or not.

Do you think Pittsburgh, New England, Giants, Cowboys, etc... never refer back to their championship seasons? They sure as hell matter to them.

 

[grandy]

Not just Caldwell. Lombardi and Austin too.

Not in the same capacity as they will be here. Hopefully that experience will help them become great coordinators, but it's impossible to know right now. Being a QB or DB coach on a SB team isn't quite the same as being a coordinator on those teams.

I do think past record can have an effect on certain players, constant franchise failure can't be a good thing. It's admirable that a player would want to be part of a turnaround, but seeing as the Lions already went from playoffs to shit once, there might be concern that it could happen again (assuming the Lions ever make it back).

 

[Mitchrapp]

34 years between playoff wins and nothing since another 23 years. It might not matter to everyone but some players won't come here for that..I still remember when Deion Sanders said don't draft me Detroit..

Players aren't stupid..why would they come here when they can go to Seattle or SF or NE. The only players we get our players who get no other offers or players who might have played for our current coach..

 

[LKP]

I get insulted every time you say past records don't matter. I sat through or listened on the radio to every Lions game since I knew what football was. I grew up with these guys. Their successes and failures are part of the team, whether you like it or not.

Do you think Pittsburgh, New England, Giants, Cowboys, etc... never refer back to their championship seasons? They sure as hell matter to them.

Going forward in choosing a team it doesn't matter. Talent is why players choose teams. And Suh can choose the Lions still matched with the right offer.

 

[LKP]

34 years between playoff wins and nothing since another 23 years. It might not matter to everyone but some players won't come here for that..I still remember when Deion Sanders said don't draft me Detroit..

Players aren't stupid..why would they come here when they can go to Seattle or SF or NE. The only players we get our players who get no other offers or players who might have played for our current coach..

You have no clue what offers they get. Free agents come here. Bush, Quin, Jones, Tulloch, Tate, Ihedigbo. Rob Sims choose to re-sign. Delmas did too and had offers. Houston as well with Patriots and Miami. The Lions are a good destination right now.