Rice and Nicks

[lgolfer]

I think Stafford's inconsistency on deep throws is from his poor footwork. If Lombardi can help him with his footwork in the offseason, I think his deep throws will be more consistent. Some people on this board, like me, think that his footwork can be improved this offseason. Others don't think it'll improve. In my opinion, that's one of the biggest questions with Stafford. Can he improve his footwork? Because good footwork leads to better accuracy.

 

[motown1958]

Stafford needs to be more accurate. No doubt about it. Doesn't matter if its deep, medium or short he needs to hit his targets in stride. The receivers need to get open though and provide him a target because there are times when he has had to force it into tight window and its either cost us or was completely dropped. This kid has an arm that at this point I am not sure anyone in the NFL can match it, especially with his velocity and ability to throw from different angles. But if guys aren't catching it then its a moot point. Also he needs to develop touch. To often he isn't giving guys a chance to make a play because its to hard and to high. Sometimes the weaker armed qbs who can float it out there give their guys a chance to step up. Brady and Manning aren't great because of canons but because they throw a catchable ball. Stafford might be to similar to Marino and throws to many passes to hard. It leads to drops, ints and incompletions. I hope we can put it all together soon though.

 

[motown1958]

I think Stafford's inconsistency on deep throws is from his poor footwork. If Lombardi can help him with his footwork in the offseason, I think his deep throws will be more consistent. Some people on this board, like me, think that his footwork can be improved this offseason. Others don't think it'll improve. In my opinion, that's one of the biggest questions with Stafford. Can he improve his footwork? Because good footwork leads to better accuracy.

He needs to improve the footwork. No ifs ands or buts. He can't keep air mailing off his back foot or late across the middle. Also he needs to work on breaking down coverages quicker. He has shown the ability to do it but sometimes starts to force things. Thats when he gets in trouble.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Thats not why he ran out of the slot last year. A number 1 receiver can play any position. For some teams their number 1 might be a natural slot guy like when the Pats had Welker. You play Calvin in the slot to get him separation at the line. A defense can't jam the slot guy usually because he doesn't have the sideline as an extra defender. They do it so he can get open quickly and find room to move. It has nothing to do with Staffords accuracy.

It's not about playing in the slot. He acted like a slot, short passes over the middle. So whether he played inside or outside most of his game was based on what Staff could do..or more importantly couldn't do..

He didn't play like a Randy Moss which at times should have.

 

[lgolfer]

It's not about playing in the slot. He acted like a slot, short passes over the middle. So whether he played inside or outside most of his game was based on what Staff could do..or more importantly couldn't do..

How many times do you have to be told for it to make sense???
If you have one of the best WRs in the league, you want to get him the ball as much as possible, correct? If he runs intermediate and long routes, he's at least double-teamed, if not triple-teamed. No QB in the league is going to consistently throw against double and triple teams. Not Peyton, not Rodgers, not Brady, and definitely not Stafford. You'd be asking for several interceptions a game.

So to throw against single coverage, you put him in the slot more often, when it's easier to get him the ball. It has nothing to do with what Stafford could/couldn't do. It had everything to do with the Lions having 1 good WR and a bunch of crap next to him.

 

[lgolfer]

He didn't play like a Randy Moss which at times should have.

Randy Moss had better WRs surrounding him, plus he had Tom Brady throwing to him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Randy Moss had better WRs surrounding him, plus he had Tom Brady throwing to him.

I actually wasn't referring to NE but where he spent most of his career, Minnesota.

 

[Mitchrapp]

How many times do you have to be told for it to make sense???
If you have one of the best WRs in the league, you want to get him the ball as much as possible, correct? If he runs intermediate and long routes, he's at least double-teamed, if not triple-teamed. No QB in the league is going to consistently throw against double and triple teams. Not Peyton, not Rodgers, not Brady, and definitely not Stafford. You'd be asking for several interceptions a game.

So to throw against single coverage, you put him in the slot more often, when it's easier to get him the ball. It has nothing to do with what Stafford could/couldn't do. It had everything to do with the Lions having 1 good WR and a bunch of crap next to him.

My point is, Staff can't throw a deep ball yet all you want our WR who go deep. How smart is that..we could have 10 CJ, but it doesn't change the fact he can't throw deep..

 

[lgolfer]

My point is, Staff can't throw a deep ball yet all you want our WR who go deep. How smart is that..we could have 10 CJ, but it doesn't change the fact he can't throw deep..

Find one place in this entire thread where I have said that I ONLY want WRs who can go deep. I haven't! I've said I want us to get a guy in the round 1 or 2 (more likely 2) that has speed, but also has good hands and is a good route runner. There should be several of these guys available still with our 2nd pick.

2nd, Stafford is plenty capable of throwing a good deep ball and has done it in the past (which I gave evidence of in the video earlier). What he HASN'T DONE is throw it consistently. Part of that is his accuracy problems (bad footwork) and part of that is no one who is single-covered could get separation. Durham and Burleson were not capable of getting open down the field.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Find one place in this entire thread where I have said that I ONLY want WRs who can go deep. I haven't! I've said I want us to get a guy in the round 1 or 2 (more likely 2) that has speed, but also has good hands and is a good route runner. There should be several of these guys available still with our 2nd pick.

2nd, Stafford is plenty capable of throwing a good deep ball and has done it in the past (which I gave evidence of in the video earlier). What he HASN'T DONE is throw it consistently. Part of that is his accuracy problems (bad footwork) and part of that is no one who is single-covered could get separation. Durham and Burleson were not capable of getting open down the field.

Well I guess I might throw a Deep ball once. 58% back to back says he's inaccurate. Twice in college where he barely got 50% says he's inaccurate. And going deep is much worse. Granted deep balls for anyone is probably worse than shorter ones but he can't throw short or intermediate throws with accuracy either. And yet these new coaches are suppose to fix that..

Romo gets made fun of all the time yet is take him in a heartbeat..

 

[tomdalton22]

Well I guess I might throw a Deep ball once. 58% back to back says he's inaccurate. Twice in college where he barely got 50% says he's inaccurate. And going deep is much worse. Granted deep balls for anyone is probably worse than shorter ones but he can't throw short or intermediate throws with accuracy either. And yet these new coaches are suppose to fix that..

Romo gets made fun of all the time yet is take him in a heartbeat..

Damn you Mitch...now we are going to hear from LKP all night about the drops, injuries, etc.etc.etc.....

 

[Mitchrapp]

Damn you Mitch...now we are going to hear from LKP all night about the drops, injuries, etc.etc.etc.....

I opened the Pandora box didn't I. Couldn't help myself..

 

[kmd47]

Mitch your an idiot if you don't think staff cant throw deep. He had an incredibly strong arm. Sure he may under throw a few deep routes here and there but what qb doesn't?

 

[tonyballs]

Staff works on his footwork more and his throws will be more accurate. It's what Caldwell noticed. It's not rocket science....

 

[mhughes0021]

his accuracy is bad.....his accuracy on throws over 20 yds is horrendous.

 

[tonyballs]

I hope you're right. But I've watched him since college and one thing is consistent, his accuracy blows. The one thing I can't get on board with is that somehow we have this magical coach that will fix his footwork..like I said I hope you're right.

Magical coach to fix Stafford's footwork?? I miss calling you names but no need here. You and everybody else already know what you are...lmao. Fn pathetic.

Hope your vag isn't bleeding on this one and you don't report me..lol. It amazes me that people don't call you out more on your ludicrous posts...fn mindboggling.

 

[tonyballs]

his accuracy is bad.....his accuracy on throws over 20 yds is horrendous.

He needs to work on shit, i know. His window isn't closed but it's getting chillier and we may need to nudge it a bit. They brought in coaches who have worked with the best in the biz ( Manning and Brees). If these guys can't help him, we're looking for a replacement in two years.

 

[mhughes0021]

These guys are talking about CJ being triple teamed when he goes deep. Any average QB and WRs should have a field day with 3 DBs on CJ with or without going deep.

thought that's why we brought bush in??? on to the next excuse!

 

[mhughes0021]

He needs to work on shit, i know. His window isn't closed but it's getting chillier and we may need to nudge it a bit. They brought in coaches who have worked with the best in the biz ( Manning and Brees). If these guys can't help him, we're looking for a replacement in two years.

agreed....its just unfortunate that one of the few positions I was optimistic about has turned so drastically.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch your an idiot if you don't think staff cant throw deep. He had an incredibly strong arm. Sure he may under throw a few deep routes here and there but what qb doesn't?

58% says you're very accurate. He completed so many to his RB and he still completes only 58%. Score!!