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SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

Who you would "take" is irrelevant. The statistics provided show Stafford has under performed since 2011.

Based on age, potential, and raw talent I think most people would "take" Stafford over most QBs in the league. That shouldn't give him a free pass every year when he doesn't live up to the hype though.

Nobody is saying replace Stafford. They're saying he needs to step the fuck up.

Actually, it's not "irrelevant". That list is a joke and basing his performance off that list is fkn pathetic and you know it.

And what "hype" are you talking about? Oh, the hype where YOU guys want him to be in the Rodgers, Luck tier? Ok...lol. He's not in that group and as soon as you sad sacks get that, the better. He's a good QB...leave it at that.
 
Where did I say no defense's worry about him. I just said you like your chances against him. You obviously game plan for him, but why would you fear him. What has he done to make you think this guy can make all the throws to beat a team. 6 years and we are still talking about the potential the guy has. Throwing out all the ifs, if this, if he had that..etc.

You Tony are all about holding players accountable and stepping up and doing their job regardless of the situation. Well why not expect the same for Stafford? Why is there always an excuse for why this guy can't do his job at an elite or even an above average level?

Then you have been under a fkn rock then. And you're talking in circles lol. You gameplan around him but why worry about him? Know how fkn stupid that sounds? Write your shit down before you type because you're all over the place.

And who's talking about his potential? Lol. He is what he is. He's a good QB that can lead this team. Live with that. He's not Aaron fucking Rodgers, he's not elite. You're the one beating yourself up every day hoping and praying that he turns into a superstar. I sit there and realize that he's just a good QB.....and i'm fine with that. Ypu're not and that's YOUR issue, not mine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way i feel. Do you go to work everyday thinking that when you open your locker that a $1000 is sitting there? No you don't, because it's reality. Or maybe you do. If so, seek help immediately lol.

And there's nothing wrong with Stafford needing help. Yeah, he needs it more than the Rodgers and the Lucks of the NFL world. So what?! It's a reality! Stafford has done some great things for the Lions. He's also shit the bed on numerous occasions. He's still the right fit for this team. He's been our best QB since Bobby Layne. Do you realize that? That's 50+ years!! Doesn't that count for something? I think it does.

Pieces are finally coming together. Weapons, OLine and a defense that looks like they'll still be a force. You're right. Time is running out, but it's not all on Stafford. It's on EVERYONE.
 
Stafford has Josh Smith-syndrome right now. He's been in the league for awhile, and people still keep talking about how talented he is. That's not a good thing. When people talk about the best, they don't talk about their arm strength, intangibles, etc... They talk about how they win and make others around them better.

I think there's always excuse-making for Stafford because some people can't come to grips with the fact that he's just not that great. He's alright. And for me, that doesn't cut it. Like I said before, they should just sign an average QB and they'd be better off paying that person a lot less.

You're not even close. Josh Smith? Give your head a shake, man lol
 
I would love to be in the Packers room when the lions called and offered to trade Rodgers for stafford. I mean since stafford can be just as productive as Rodgers in his situation, it would be a great deal for the packers since they could get same QB production at a cheaper rate. (Ignoring cap hits in the trade)

The laughter in that room would be something to see.

Why would this even happen? Keep reaching....lol
 
Here's the excerpt on Stafford from ESPN's QB Tier Rankings:

T-12. Matthew Stafford | Detroit Lions

Average rating: 2.17 | Change in rating: +8.9%

2014 Rank: 13

Stafford was the lowest-rated player to command a top-tier vote, but there were also eight third-tier grades from voters frustrated by the lingering gap between Stafford's physical gifts and his on-field performance. The two voters to give Stafford a 1 ranked first and seventh among easiest graders overall.

"No doubt, he is a 2 and I love him, but something is missing," a different offensive coach said. "Stafford could be like Aaron Rodgers if he had the burning passion and if he had Mike McCarthy from Day 1, because he is talented like that and quick with the ball. But you look at the look on Stafford's face before the game and then look at Rodgers' face or Big Ben's face or Luck's or especially Drew Brees' face or Philip Rivers' face. Holy s---, you look at Matthew Stafford's eyes and it's like gym class. It's like, 'I hope we win, I think we are pretty good' as opposed to, 'I am going to rip your throat out.' It is always the want-to and passion and desire that separates guys. Stafford should be there with Big Ben. Rivers is OK physically, but does it all by heart and leadership."

A GM touched on the same theme.

"Stafford is ahead of Andy Dalton and Alex Smith because he is more gifted, but there is an element where he is either about to become a 2 or he can fall into the Cutler category, not because of intangibles necessarily but because there is something missing. Even at Georgia, [in 2008] they had Stafford, they had Knowshon Moreno and A.J. Green. They were ranked No. 1 in the nation, and they finished with three losses. To me, that just defines things. You are in college football, you are a franchise QB, you have a really good college running back, an up-and-coming receiver and for whatever reason you could not lead your team to be ahead at the end of the big games."

The perception is that Stafford must discipline himself to be great. A personnel director said he'd rather have Flacco or Ryan.

"Stafford has a little of what Cutler has got," this director said. "He has mechanical things. He will throw it up for grabs. He is a 2. I don't know if he has internally what Flacco and Ryan have in terms of the will to be special. I see those guys working on their mechanics, which is huge for guys like Peyton and Brady. Stafford's mechanics have not changed."

I'd say this is pretty spot on...... the first evaluation more so than the comparison to Cuntler......but pretty damn accurate.

The thing about Stafford, love him or hate him, is there is still so much talent there. Shit.....even some of the "haters" agree with the above evaluation and they compare him.....talent wise.....to Aaron Rodgers. That's pretty telling of the amount of talent #9 has.

Some guys blossom later in there careers......Brees, Elway, Eli Manning, Warren Moon and in other sports Verlander, Chauncey Billups.....ect. I just hold out hope that Stafford is one of those guys. He's only entering his age 27 season.
 
It's not even solid tier two, it's bottom tier two. Received 4x the tier 3 votes as tier 1. Even our biggest slap LKP describes him as a tier 3.

" tier 3 are quarterbacks who are good enough to start but need lots of support"

That is LKPs every argent. He needs a top 10 oline, defense, running game and 4 elite weapons to be successful. That is tier 3.

Nothing wrong with surrounding your franchise QB with talent. Packers and Colts do it every year in the draft or FA, especially on offense. Look at the Colts ffs! They don't even give a shit about that defense. First to 50 wins!! You build around your QB!! Football 101.
 
Then you have been under a fkn rock then. And you're talking in circles lol. You gameplan around him but why worry about him? Know how fkn stupid that sounds? Write your shit down before you type because you're all over the place.

And who's talking about his potential? Lol. He is what he is. He's a good QB that can lead this team. Live with that. He's not Aaron fucking Rodgers, he's not elite. You're the one beating yourself up every day hoping and praying that he turns into a superstar. I sit there and realize that he's just a good QB.....and i'm fine with that. Ypu're not and that's YOUR issue, not mine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way i feel. Do you go to work everyday thinking that when you open your locker that a $1000 is sitting there? No you don't, because it's reality. Or maybe you do. If so, seek help immediately lol.

And there's nothing wrong with Stafford needing help. Yeah, he needs it more than the Rodgers and the Lucks of the NFL world. So what?! It's a reality! Stafford has done some great things for the Lions. He's also shit the bed on numerous occasions. He's still the right fit for this team. He's been our best QB since Bobby Layne. Do you realize that? That's 50+ years!! Doesn't that count for something? I think it does.

Pieces are finally coming together. Weapons, OLine and a defense that looks like they'll still be a force. You're right. Time is running out, but it's not all on Stafford. It's on EVERYONE.

What are these great things he's done for the franchise? You always talk in such generalities it's hard to even understand what you mean. What makes him better than Cutler? What makes him better than Dalton? What makes him a top 12 QB? Do you think he is better than Romo...if so why?

I understand what Stafford is, he's proved what he is, he is a Cutler or a Dalton. Sure you can win occasionally with them, but not because of them and you are just as probable to lose with them. They are 50/50 Qbs.

Who cares he's the best in 50 years for the Lions, that means nothing in 2015. Past three years he is statistically the 22nd best QB. Comparing him to historical players is pointless, judging him against his peers is more reasonable.

He isn't going to have an elite running game around him...get over it, he needs to produce with what he has.

Luck had no online or RB and nothing spectacular to throw to last year. What do you mean they load talent around him on offense?
 
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What are these great things he's done for the franchise? You always talk in such generalities it's hard to even understand what you mean. What makes him better than Cutler? What makes him better than Dalton? What makes him a top 12 QB? Do you think he is better than Romo...if so why?

I understand what Stafford is, he's proved what he is, he is a Cutler or a Dalton. Sure you can win occasionally with them, but not because of them and you are just as probable to lose with them. They are 50/50 Qbs.

Who cares he's the best in 50 years for the Lions, that means nothing in 2015. Past three years he is statistically the 22nd best QB. Comparing him to historical players is pointless, judging him against his peers is more reasonable.

He isn't going to have an elite running game around him...get over it, he needs to produce with what he has.

Luck had no online or RB and nothing spectacular to throw to last year. What do you mean they load talent around him on offense?

Lmao...You're so blind that you're completely lost. Are you just dumb or is it ignorance? I can't quite figure you out. I'd take him over Cutler a 1000x over just based on personalities. I think Cutler has talent too, he's just a retard and is a coach killer.
Dalton? He's done some things, but Stafford all day over him. It's not even close. Stafford has shattered records and won some HUGE games for us. Why would you see that? You're clueless...lol.

And stop using your retarded "22 best QB" as your staple, you imbecile. It's weak. He's not the 22nd best QB in the league and NOBODY agrees with you. Even the boys in your club are not that stupid. He ranges around the 11th-15th best. QBR is a joke of a stat, but keep holding on to it like a simpleton.
And it is a big deal that Stafford is the best in the last 50 years. You dolts absolutely live in the past with everything. I mention the past and it means nothing? Lol. Keep talking in circles.

And who daid anything about an elite running game? I never did. Get over what? Lol. Glad to see that you have already written off Abdullah and Bell. Typical bullshit spewed by the Haters Club. Surprised? Nope.

Go look at the Colts draft the last couple of years, Mr Football. They have absolutely loaded up on offense for Luck. Even tried to capture lightning in a bottle with Richardson last year. Throwing to guys like Hilton, Fleener, Allen, Wayne and Moncrief are nobody's now? Get your head outta your ass, buddy...lol. Then they load up again and pick up Andre Johnson and Frank Gore.

Schools out
 
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shattered records

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Dude come on, Stafford's beaten out the likes of Rodney Peete, Scott Mitchell, Charlie Batch. He's the best. bro...
 
Again no reasons just nonsense and name calling. Typically Tony. QB rating has been used forever. Look at the top of that list. Would you really argue those guys aren't some of the best? Rating must do a decent job.

Hilton appears to be very good, no CJ, but very good legit #1. Wayne was great a few years back, but mid 30s wayne he was equal to a Burleson. Moncrief wow. Really?

Would you take the Colts offense (everyone but luck) in 2014 over the Lions in 2014 (everyone but Stafford)?
 
He gave three reasons:

1. Shattered records (most consecutive road losses against teams .500 or better)
2. Won HUGE games (except any of those that could have clinched the division, any game in lambeau, any road game against, well see reason 1...)
3. Best Lions QB in 50 years (except the past doesn't matter and if you bring up the past you walk down the road kicking people's curb side garbage cans or something).
 
Don't forget he has a nice personality. It's just fun to root for gosh darn nice southern boy. He also makes somewhat comical commercials too. Talent be damned.
 
Actually, it's not "irrelevant". That list is a joke and basing his performance off that list is fkn pathetic and you know it.

And what "hype" are you talking about? Oh, the hype where YOU guys want him to be in the Rodgers, Luck tier? Ok...lol. He's not in that group and as soon as you sad sacks get that, the better. He's a good QB...leave it at that.

Whether you want it to be true or not, when a #1 pick has a season like 2011, hype happens. You can blame us "sad sacks" all you want but there isn't a fan base in the league that wouldn't expect more of the same. He has the ability to be great but is SLIGHTLY above average if not just plain average.

And your eye test of Stafford really is irrelevant considering almost every statistic that isn't inflated by bloated attempts disagrees with you.

Objective > Subjective
 
It's not even solid tier two, it's bottom tier two. Received 4x the tier 3 votes as tier 1. Even our biggest slap LKP describes him as a tier 3.

" tier 3 are quarterbacks who are good enough to start but need lots of support"

That is LKPs every argent. He needs a top 10 oline, defense, running game and 4 elite weapons to be successful. That is tier 3.

Stafford played well without that. 11 wins. He's TIER 1

All QBs have one or most of those things. The MVP had most of those things.

QB stats are team stats.
 
Could you imagine Stafford if he was in a real media market like NY or Philly?? He would have been ran out of town by now.
 
Could you imagine Stafford if he was in a real media market like NY or Philly?? He would have been ran out of town by now.

Not if his Oline wasn't blocking for him or his weapons kept getting hurt.

Eli had protection. 27 sacks and only 28% pressure. Plus OBJ, Randle (2nd round pick), Cruz had 41 targets.

Stafford played well no matter what the stats say.

Eli had 3,818 yards 18 TDs and 27 ints in 2013. He didn't get run out of town. They just got a new OC.

Geno Smith is going into year 3 as QB.
 
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Stafford played well without that. 11 wins. He's TIER 1

All QBs have one or most of those things. The MVP had most of those things.

QB stats are team stats.

If Tier 1 has 15 QBs in it...yes...he is barely in Tier 1
 
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