SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

[cheeno]

Not ESPNs QBR, the old quarterback passer rating scale out of 158.3.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

 

[brewer229]

Lets see that beauty of a list, buddy!! Can't wait to see guys like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick ahead of Staff!! Lol.

I don't think Sanchez played enough to make the list. You found the point, there are a bunch of Jokers AHEAD of Stafford. Why? Because he is a joker too. Do you think teams are like oh no, we have to face Stafford, we could be in trouble. Hello no, they are excited because they like their chances. Basically the way you view Cutler is the way anyone who isn't a fan of the Lions see Stafford. You like your chances against him.

 

[LKP]

I don't think Sanchez played enough to make the list. You found the point, there are a bunch of Jokers AHEAD of Stafford. Why? Because he is a joker too. Do you think teams are like oh no, we have to face Stafford, we could be in trouble. Hello no, they are excited because they like their chances. Basically the way you view Cutler is the way anyone who isn't a fan of the Lions see Stafford. You like your chances against him.

You know how teams and coaches feel. I don't think you do. They could be shaking in their boots when they have to face Stafford. He's a good QB who can carve you up. And now the turnover problems are under control. When that happens, the Lions win.

 

[brewer229]

Here is the list:

 

[LKP]

Stafford has no run support, weapon drop issues and had protection issues. First year in an offense. Stafford played well given the cirucmstances. He's a good QB. Stats don't matter when you win 11 and have the world against you.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford has no run support, weapon drop issues and had protection issues. First year in an offense. Stafford played well given the cirucmstances. He's a good QB. Stats don't matter when you win 11 and have the world against you.

This is over 3 years.
Protection issue: There were 18 QBs sacked at a higher rate than him...so...nope.
Drops: I took out all drops for all players and added them as completions, stafford ranks 20th in completion % before taking out drops, 19th if you assume no drops for anyone on any team...so...nope

 

[dubbsco]

Weapon drop issues? Is that a real stat? Did I miss when the gurus starting publishing that?

 

[LKP]

This is over 3 years.
Protection issue: There were 18 QBs sacked at a higher rate than him...so...nope.
Drops: I took out all drops for all players and added them as completions, stafford ranks 20th in completion % before taking out drops, 19th if you assume no drops for anyone on any team...so...nope

Not just sacks. Hits and hurries. So yep. Sacks hurt drives but so do hits and hurries. Hits and hurries hurt the QB comp % and can cause ints.

Stafford is the most dropped QB in the past 3 years. This is a fact.

run support. Huge for down and distance. Stafford had the least run support. 3.6 YPC is terrible. Kills drives too.

Weapon injuries is a factor too.

Stafford did good consdering his circumstances. There is no QB who had to deal with more than Stafford over the last 3 years. And this offensive injury related for the most part. Some regression (Sims/Raiola 2014), no WR depth (2013)

 

[LKP]

Detroit was 27th in turnovers forced in 2012 and 22nd in turnovers forced in 2013. 8th in 2014.

Detroit was 25th, 14th and 25th in rush attempts the last 3 years. Stafford has to do more.

Lions were 28th, 31st and then 12th in fumbles lost. Only 2 were Stafford's fault out of 39 fumbles in 3 years. (at GB 2012, at Phi 2013)

Lions were 30th in turnover differential, 29th in turnover differential and 6th in TO differential in 2014. Many fumbles not his fault, many ints not his fault.

Stafford was 25th in drops, 32nd in drops in 2013 and 13th in drop % this year. Terrible in 2012 and 2013.

Lions were 18th in YPC (yards per carry) in 2012, 22nd in YPC in 2013 and 29th in YPC in 2014

5th in pressure % in 2012, 3rd in pressure % in 2013 and 16th in pressure % in 2014. he had time but not in 2014.

Calvin missed 5, Ebron 3, Bush 7 this year in 2014
Calvin 4, Burleson 7, Pettigrew-2, Bush 1.5 (no WR depth) in 2013
Burleson 9, Titus-6, Pettigrew 4, Best 16 in 2012

Kicking % 88.9 in 2012 (10th with Hanson), 79.2% (27th with Akers), 65.6% (32nd with a mess but Prater fixed it).

Stafford is a good QB. He overcomes all of this. He deserves a great defense and will have one this season. Keep turnovers positive, Lions win double digit games (see 2011 and 2014 with +11 and +7 TO differential).

2012 and 2013 the defense was 27th and 15th in PPG allowed. 3rd in 2014.

 

[LKP]

2011 4.3 YPC (best for Staford but not great), +11 turnover differential, only one weapon injury (Best for 10), no Oline injuries.
24% pressure (3rd best in league)

41 TDs and 5,000 yards. Time and weapons and he is elite

 

[brewer229]

Not just sacks. Hits and hurries. So yep. Sacks hurt drives but so do hits and hurries. Hits and hurries hurt the QB comp % and can cause ints.

Stafford is the most dropped QB in the past 3 years. This is a fact.

run support. Huge for down and distance. Stafford had the least run support. 3.6 YPC is terrible. Kills drives too.

Weapon injuries is a factor too.

Stafford did good consdering his circumstances. There is no QB who had to deal with more than Stafford over the last 3 years. And this offensive injury related for the most part. Some regression (Sims/Raiola 2014), no WR depth (2013)

He has had bad run support, that is true, but there are a few QBs on the list that had worse than him the past 3 years:

Carson Palmer
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Eli Manning

3 of the 5 managed to be top 10 in almost all different measurable.

 

[LKP]

He has had bad run support, that is true, but there are a few QBs on the list that had worse than him the past 3 years:

Carson Palmer
Philip Rivers
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Eli Manning

3 of the 5 managed to be top 10 in almost all different measurable.

It's more than run support. It's run attempts. Detroit is very low in attempts. It's all on Stafford.

Big Ben has Le'veon Bell.

It's the combo of everything, pressure (2014), injuries, run support (YPC and attempts), drops, fumbles lost, PPG defense (2012/2013), kicking. Year 1 of new offense in 2014.

Stafford's hand he is dealt could be better. People need to cut him some slack. He does a good job no matter what the team or his stats say.

 

[LKP]

Detroit was 27th in turnovers forced in 2012 and 22nd in turnovers forced in 2013. 8th in 2014.

Detroit was 25th, 14th and 25th in rush attempts the last 3 years. Stafford has to do more.

Lions were 28th, 31st and then 12th in fumbles lost. Only 2 were Stafford's fault out of 39 fumbles in 3 years. (at GB 2012, at Phi 2013)

Lions were 30th in turnover differential, 29th in turnover differential and 6th in TO differential in 2014. Many fumbles not his fault, many ints not his fault.

Stafford was 25th in drops, 32nd in drops in 2013 and 13th in drop % this year. Terrible in 2012 and 2013.

Lions were 18th in YPC (yards per carry) in 2012, 22nd in YPC in 2013 and 29th in YPC in 2014

5th in pressure % in 2012, 3rd in pressure % in 2013 and 16th in pressure % in 2014. he had time but not in 2014.

Calvin missed 5, Ebron 3, Bush 7 this year in 2014
Calvin 4, Burleson 7, Pettigrew-2, Bush 1.5 (no WR depth) in 2013
Burleson 9, Titus-6, Pettigrew 4, Best 16 in 2012

Kicking % 88.9 in 2012 (10th with Hanson), 79.2% (27th with Akers), 65.6% (32nd with a mess but Prater fixed it).

Stafford is a good QB. He overcomes all of this. He deserves a great defense and will have one this season. Keep turnovers positive, Lions win double digit games (see 2011 and 2014 with +11 and +7 TO differential).

2012 and 2013 the defense was 27th and 15th in PPG allowed. 3rd in 2014.

 

[LKP]

Aaron Rodgers was 3rd in pressure %, 10th in YPC, had no weapon injuries, 8th in turnover support and only Bulaga for 1.5 games on the Oline.

Won MVP. Stafford threw 41 Td and 5,000 yards when the same thing happened.

 

[brewer229]

It's more than run support. It's run attempts. Detroit is very low in attempts. It's all on Stafford.

Big Ben has Le'veon Bell.

It's the combo of everything, pressure (2014), injuries, run support (YPC and attempts), drops, fumbles lost, PPG defense (2012/2013), kicking. Year 1 of new offense in 2014.

Stafford's hand he is dealt could be better. People need to cut him some slack. He does a good job no matter what the team or his stats say.

Lions rank 19th out of 32 in attempts the past three years almost average

Guess who had less attempts...Pittsburgh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Dallas, Chicago to name a few teams whose QBs were on the list.

 

[dubbsco]

Man I hope the season gets here soon. I can't stomach this drivel anymore.

 

[LKP]

Lions rank 19th out of 32 in attempts the past three years almost average

Guess who had less attempts...Pittsburgh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Dallas, Chicago to name a few teams whose QBs were on the list.

It's year by year. Two years they were 25th. And thier YPC was 29th this year. Plus nobody defends the run against the Lions since they are scared of Calvin. It's favorable boxes and still bad YPC or average YPC. That is the worst run support in the league and forced to pass against tough pass defenses. The coverage on Calvin makes it harder on Stafford. Really we should just hand it off and kill teams by running but we couldn't due to injuries and some bad blocking (Raiola/Sims).

But I would say 2012 and 2013 problems were due to weapon injuries, drops and fumbles lost (not as much run support those years). Plus defensive problems. 2014 it was run support and protection for sure issues.

And it's not just run support. Almost category beyond Stafford's control was bad other than pressure 2012/2013 and turnovers/defense 2014. When he got a little support in 2014, they pulled off 11 wins. the offensive stats will show good things too when the run support, drops, protection, experience in the system come around. That should be 2015.

+ turnover differential. 10 and 11 wins. As long as we don't shoot ourselves in the foot and not turn it over, the Lions win double digit games.

 

[brewer229]

It's year by year. Two years they were 25th. And thier YPC was 29th this year. Plus nobody defends the run against the Lions since they are scared of Calvin. It's favorable boxes and still bad YPC or average YPC. That is the worst run support in the league and forced to pass against tough pass defenses. The coverage on Calvin makes it harder on Stafford. Really we should just hand it off and kill teams by running but we couldn't due to injuries and some bad blocking (Raiola/Sims).

But I would say 2012 and 2013 problems were due to weapon injuries, drops and fumbles lost (not as much run support those years). Plus defensive problems. 2014 it was run support and protection for sure issues.

And it's not just run support. Almost category beyond Stafford's control was bad other than pressure 2012/2013 and turnovers/defense 2014. When he got a little support in 2014, they pulled off 11 wins. the offensive stats will show good things too when the run support, drops, protection, experience in the system come around. That should be 2015.

+ turnover differential. 10 and 11 wins. As long as we don't shoot ourselves in the foot and not turn it over, the Lions win double digit games.

The % of 8 man box for the NFL is around 20%, no one defends the run against anyone anymore.

 

[LKP]

Give Stafford 3 of the following:
Run Support (average at least)
Protection (top 10 since he's not mobile)
healthy weapons/Oline (ties to run support and protection)
normal drop %
fumbles lost around 8
Defensive PPG top 10

He had 2 of those and helped win 11 games.

 

[LKP]

The % of 8 man box for the NFL is around 20%, no one defends the run against anyone anymore.

It's even more excessive against the Lions. Plus Bush was hurt after a good 2013. Plus the number 1 weapon is tripled some in Calvin and almost always doubled. Whereas guys like Jordy Nelson are barely doubled (stupidly I might add).

Lions have weapons to support Calvin finally. Tate was enough. Tate plus Ebron will be dangerous.

Average run support, top 10 protection, top 10 PPG defense, 3 good weapons. Lions can make a deep playoff run with Stafford getting that support.