SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

[brewer229]

For one, you said Hilton "appears" to be good. Newsflash, son...he's a stud.

Two! He's better than Golden Tate.

Three! I know Stafford has weapons....never said he didn't

Four!! And this a fucking beaut!!! lol. Moncrief isn't a TE. He's a frickin WR. What I said was, that the Colts have the BEST 1,2 combo of TEs in the business with Fleener and Allen. Deny it, I dare ya....

And to answer your question. For the amount of garbage that Stafford has to throw to his whole career, it's a fucking miracle that he's still in the league. But your witty self will say that we have the best WR in the game, right? RIGHT! Solid argument. It's ONE man though and CJ is double/tripled up at times and Stafford had to throw to beauties like Durham, Ross, Burleson, Pettigrew, Scheffler and whatever schmuck that was booted out of the Arena Football League. Add to the fact that the kid gets killed every year because our joke of an OLine can't block for shit. That means nothing to you and that's understandable because you know nothing about the game of football. He holds almost every Lions QB record that there is to own and a bunch of NFL records to boot. He's done a ton of good for this team. Never said he was perfect and of course he needs to get some of the blame, but he is far and away NOT the problem on this team. One thing I will agree on though.....the offense is starting to shape up around him. OLine stronger, running game looks like it might be stronger and the air attack looks like it's ready to roll.

You have been educated. You're welcome.

So..you didn't answer a single question about what he does great or above average..just more of the poor poor stafford nonsense. I said and you can go back regarding Hilton. The kid appears to be good a legit #1. How is that not true. He is a legit #1 that is a compliment. He hasn't proven to be elite, very few guys are, but still good.

Did you skip over the fact that only 4 QBs were sacked at a lower rate than Stafford. So much for your getting killed argument.

Who the fuck cares he holds almost every Lions record. Hes thrown almost 1,000 more passes than the second guy and plays in an era where it is easy to put up stats as the QB.

So you say you know he has weapons, than two seconds later complain he doesn't have any weapons. Wow.

So answer the question. What does he do better than an Average QB? Is he more accurate? Does he make better reads/decisions? Is he a better athlete? Is he a better game manager? What does he actually do besides throw the ball hard and a lot?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Drew Brees, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner ...just to name a few. Not saying that Stafford is on their level, but it's never too late.

Add #7 to that list.

John Elway was not very good any of his first 10 years in the league. He was 31 before he had a good statistical season. After 10 complete NFL seasons....he had 158 td's to 157 Ints and a 53.8% completion percentage. Different game back then? Sure. But at ANY period in NFL history.....those are NOT good ratios.

Fuck, Denver drafted Tommy freakin Maddux in the 1st round in '92 because Elway was so bad the year before.

 

[cheeno]

 

[LKP]

So..you didn't answer a single question about what he does great or above average..just more of the poor poor stafford nonsense. I said and you can go back regarding Hilton. The kid appears to be good a legit #1. How is that not true. He is a legit #1 that is a compliment. He hasn't proven to be elite, very few guys are, but still good.

Did you skip over the fact that only 4 QBs were sacked at a lower rate than Stafford. So much for your getting killed argument.

Who the fuck cares he holds almost every Lions record. Hes thrown almost 1,000 more passes than the second guy and plays in an era where it is easy to put up stats as the QB.

So you say you know he has weapons, than two seconds later complain he doesn't have any weapons. Wow.

So answer the question. What does he do better than an Average QB? Is he more accurate? Does he make better reads/decisions? Is he a better athlete? Is he a better game manager? What does he actually do besides throw the ball hard and a lot?

It's not just sacks. 45 sacks was high per game. They kill drives. It's pressure. Hits and hurries. Stafford was pressured much more than usual in 2015

Luck plays the AFC South. Hilton, Fleener and Wayne were good weapons. Moncrief had the rookie flashes like Ebron. Nicks has played better and is a former 1st round pick. Allen is like a 3rd round pick TE too. Luck only sacked 27 times to 45. 18 more opportunities on drives. Luck had more picks than Stafford too. Luck had more run support too once they stopped using Richardson so much. Herron and Bradshaw did well.

 

[cheeno]

Here is the main source of friction on the board, looking at both sides objectively. It comes down to where you set your benchmark.

One side: Mayhew isn't as bad as Millen, we could have it worse than Stafford, 11-5 is a far cry from 0-16, so we're not the Packers just be happy we are competitive.

Other side: just because it ain't bad doesn't mean it's good. Mayhew by has been a draft flop approaching Millen proportions, Stafford isn't top tier (unless you have LKPs 18 QB tier) and we have the top of the top tier in our division, and so if we are not the Packers how the hell are we ever supposed to win anything?

One side is glass half full to a fault, the other glass half empty to what some may say are unrealistic expectations for this franchise. Me personally I hate the status quo, and while perrenial runners up may make the bed for some, it doesn't personally satisfy my thirst for what I call a winner.

 

[LKP]

Mayhew is a good GM. Draft solid. FA and trades good. Compared to any GM.
I had 10 top tier QBs. Stop exaggertating things I say. It's annoying. Lots of good QBs in the league. Stafford is one of them that can carry a team.

We are better than the Packers (more complete with a defense) but Rodgers carries them against other teams. Minnesota and Chicago need to start doing their jobs and beating GB when GB visits them.

Seattle and Patriots lose away division games. Packers lose away division games to us. Lambeau is a tough place to play. We'll see how Seattle does this year there. If we played at Miami and home vs Pats, I think we win the division last year. But we got at Pats (they went 10-0 at home last year).

 

[tonyballs]

So..you didn't answer a single question about what he does great or above average..just more of the poor poor stafford nonsense. I said and you can go back regarding Hilton. The kid appears to be good a legit #1. How is that not true. He is a legit #1 that is a compliment. He hasn't proven to be elite, very few guys are, but still good.

Did you skip over the fact that only 4 QBs were sacked at a lower rate than Stafford. So much for your getting killed argument.

Who the fuck cares he holds almost every Lions record. Hes thrown almost 1,000 more passes than the second guy and plays in an era where it is easy to put up stats as the QB.

So you say you know he has weapons, than two seconds later complain he doesn't have any weapons. Wow.

So answer the question. What does he do better than an Average QB? Is he more accurate? Does he make better reads/decisions? Is he a better athlete? Is he a better game manager? What does he actually do besides throw the ball hard and a lot?

I already told you wtf he has done for this team. I'm not repeating myself. Yeah, i know THE LIONS haven't won with him as the QB but he's not the problem. It's not all on him...

And who gives a fuck about who was sacked more? Our QB gets killed every year. He's had ONE year of good OLine play his whole career. Chew on that.

He does have weapons!! It's about damn fucking time!! Lol. Are you slow or what?! His whole career has been throwing to one dude. ONE!!!! Last year Tate came on the scene and nobody thought he was going to produce like he did. NO ONE. Everyone knew that rookie TEs take time so the jury is still out on EE. New year, 2nd in the same system, sprinkled in some vets and some hungry youngsters like EE and Abdullah. Things are finally looking up. You're that dumb? Holy shit!! Lol.

Of course you don't care about his records. Why would you?? It's an easy feat. It only took 50 fucking years to say we have a QB. And why wouldn't he chuck it up all those times? We have CJ...remember?! Lol. The best WR in the world. An absolute garbage running game. And a rocket arm QB. Tell me why, genius!! Tell me WHY wouldn't we throw a ton? Dumbass.

I answered your question about what he does. You're obviously too fucking stupid to grasp it.

 

[tonyballs]

Add #7 to that list.

John Elway was not very good any of his first 10 years in the league. He was 31 before he had a good statistical season. After 10 complete NFL seasons....he had 158 td's to 157 Ints and a 53.8% completion percentage. Different game back then? Sure. But at ANY period in NFL history.....those are NOT good ratios.

Fuck, Denver drafted Tommy freakin Maddux in the 1st round in '92 because Elway was so bad the year before.

Elway may be the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.

 

[cheeno]

One side: being competitive is winning!
Other side: no, winning is winning.

 

[tonyballs]

Here is the main source of friction on the board, looking at both sides objectively. It comes down to where you set your benchmark.

One side: Mayhew isn't as bad as Millen, we could have it worse than Stafford, 11-5 is a far cry from 0-16, so we're not the Packers just be happy we are competitive.

Other side: just because it ain't bad doesn't mean it's good. Mayhew by has been a draft flop approaching Millen proportions, Stafford isn't top tier (unless you have LKPs 18 QB tier) and we have the top of the top tier in our division, and so if we are not the Packers how the hell are we ever supposed to win anything?

One side is glass half full to a fault, the other glass half empty to what some may say are unrealistic expectations for this franchise. Me personally I hate the status quo, and while perrenial runners up may make the bed for some, it doesn't personally satisfy my thirst for what I call a winner.

Not even close. I want to win NOW. I don't sit back and tell my friends that i'm just "glad to be competitive". That's bs, man. I just hate the ignorance towards the wrong guy. The Stafford bashing is insane. You guys say we make excuses when it comes to his performance. Tell ya what. The amount of talent that has surrounded him has been a joke up until the last couple of years. That's a FACT.

 

[LKP]

One side: being competitive is winning!
Other side: no, winning is winning.

11-5 is winning. Every NFL team would take that record every year and be called a winning team.

Getting screwed in the playoffs is getting screwed in the playoffs when you actually were winning.

Lions are playoff and SB caliber right now and were in 2014.

 

[tonyballs]

One side: being competitive is winning!
Other side: no, winning is winning.

And you think i'm on the competitive side? You couldn't be more wrong lol

 

[tonyballs]

It's not just sacks. 45 sacks was high per game. They kill drives. It's pressure. Hits and hurries. Stafford was pressured much more than usual in 2015

Luck plays the AFC South. Hilton, Fleener and Wayne were good weapons. Moncrief had the rookie flashes like Ebron. Nicks has played better and is a former 1st round pick. Allen is like a 3rd round pick TE too. Luck only sacked 27 times to 45. 18 more opportunities on drives. Luck had more picks than Stafford too. Luck had more run support too once they stopped using Richardson so much. Herron and Bradshaw did well.

But that doesn't matter, man. Those are just excuses...remember? Lol

 

[LKP]

Not even close. I want to win NOW. I don't sit back and tell my friends that i'm just "glad to be competitive". That's bs, man. I just hate the ignorance towards the wrong guy. The Stafford bashing is insane. You guys say we make excuses when it comes to his performance. Tell ya what. The amount of talent that has surrounded him has been a joke up until the last couple of years. That's a FACT.

Exactly they aren't excuses. They are factual reasons of what actually happened that hurt Stafford's stats and hurt our wins in 2012/2013. They don't get that it is a team game and just pile on the QB for not winning enough in 2012 or 2013. He's a good QB, not a miracle worker that can heal injured players and make Durham look good or prevent Bush from fumbling or WRs from having the dropsies. He couldn't snap Calvin's fingers back in place or block when Waddle/Hilliard both went down.

There was talent there but alot of talent got hurt. Some of that talent had fumble issues too (Bush, Pettirew). Even Calvin caused some turnovers.

Lions -16 turnover differential in 2012, -12 in 2013 and +7 in 2014. Lions win when the turnovers stopped. +11 in 2011.

New offense, Oline injuries, Bush injuries, Calvin injuries, Ebron a rookie TE are valid reasons for Stafford's stats. Very valid considering it's a team game.

And we won 11. Stafford did make plays every single game. Important plays that won us games. Stafford did limit his turnovers despite no run support and increased pressure on him.

Stafford could play exactly the same in 2015 as he did in 2014 and have 35 TDs and 12 ints and 5,000 yards. It means he got better protection, run support, less drops and less sacks to kill drives. Stafford has to be given a chance to shine.

 

[cheeno]

Last year Tate came on the scene and nobody thought he was going to produce like he did. NO ONE.

He could be a stud. He's shown that he can make splash plays. There was little room for him to put up stud numbers in Seattle's offense. I'll go 1100 and 8 for Tate next season.

http://detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=15098&highlight=Tate+yards&page=24

03-15-2014

 

[brewer229]

I already told you wtf he has done for this team. I'm not repeating myself. Yeah, i know THE LIONS haven't won with him as the QB but he's not the problem. It's not all on him...

And who gives a fuck about who was sacked more? Our QB gets killed every year. He's had ONE year of good OLine play his whole career. Chew on that.

He does have weapons!! It's about damn fucking time!! Lol. Are you slow or what?! His whole career has been throwing to one dude. ONE!!!! Last year Tate came on the scene and nobody thought he was going to produce like he did. NO ONE. Everyone knew that rookie TEs take time so the jury is still out on EE. New year, 2nd in the same system, sprinkled in some vets and some hungry youngsters like EE and Abdullah. Things are finally looking up. You're that dumb? Holy shit!! Lol.

Of course you don't care about his records. Why would you?? It's an easy feat. It only took 50 fucking years to say we have a QB. And why wouldn't he chuck it up all those times? We have CJ...remember?! Lol. The best WR in the world. An absolute garbage running game. And a rocket arm QB. Tell me why, genius!! Tell me WHY wouldn't we throw a ton? Dumbass.

I answered your question about what he does. You're obviously too fucking stupid to grasp it.

You haven't said anything about what he does better than average. You are comparing him to people that played 50 years ago. What about his peers. What makes him better than most (above average) compared to his peers.

As soon as we play the 1984 Packers I'll be glad we have Stafford instead of Gary Danielson.

Your whole argument is because we have had shit for QB, we should be happy the current guy is a little less piece of shit? Everyone cheer the floater. Best terd we have ever had.

 

[tonyballs]

http://detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=15098&highlight=Tate+yards&page=24

03-15-2014

Props then, man. Lol. Good call. I never saw those numbers. You really wrote that? Wow.

 

[cheeno]

Props then, man. Lol. Good call. I never saw those numbers. You really wrote that? Wow.

I also absolutely loved the O and D coordinator signings. Well I was half right. I still have hope for Lombardi though.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's not even solid tier two, it's bottom tier two. Received 4x the tier 3 votes as tier 1. Even our biggest slap LKP describes him as a tier 3.

" tier 3 are quarterbacks who are good enough to start but need lots of support"

That is LKPs every argument. He needs a top 10 oline, defense, running game and 4 elite weapons to be successful. That is tier 3.

this...

throw in the fact EVERYONE needs to stay healthy or else the world ends.

 

[tonyballs]

You haven't said anything about what he does better than average. You are comparing him to people that played 50 years ago. What about his peers. What makes him better than most (above average) compared to his peers.

As soon as we play the 1984 Packers I'll be glad we have Stafford instead of Gary Danielson.

Your whole argument is because we have had shit for QB, we should be happy the current guy is a little less piece of shit? Everyone cheer the floater. Best terd we have ever had.

Actually, that's not my argument lol. Your question is dumb anyways. Wtf am i supposed to say? Whatever i say is wrong anyways lol. I told you a 100x over why he's a good QB. You hate him so much that it doesn't matter. He's taking this team to the playoffs a couple of times, he's breaking records with ease, he's made some unbelievable comebacks. ACTUALLY, i think he owns the record for QBs with the most comebacks in the last few years. Someone needs to look that up though, he does a ton of good for this franchise.
Your argument is a retarded QBR stat that nobody cares about and that he hasn't won a championship. Guess what, buddy? There's a shitload of great/good/mediocre QBs that haven't won. You're weak lol