SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

[tonyballs]

this...

throw in the fact EVERYONE needs to stay healthy or else the world ends.

Not everyone

 

[LKP]

this...

throw in the fact EVERYONE needs to stay healthy or else the world ends.

Many QBs have more people stay healthy than Stafford does. Many QBs get run support. Many QBs get more turnover support. They get something. Stafford got a defense to help for wins (and we won 11) but he didn't get anything on offense to let his talent shine and stats look good. QB stats are a team thing.

Other QBs get either run support or they get protection. Or in Rodgers case they have really good WR 4 and WR 5 receivers like in 2012. Rodgers had run support, healthy weapons/Oline and great protection in 2014. Won MVP. Rodgers had it all with his team's health. Stafford got that in 2011 and threw 5,000 yards and 41 TDs.

Stafford deserves something on offense to help him. He should have more good weapons this year (3 plus Rbs), more experience in the offense (most QBS have more than one year in a system), better kickers, more protection, less drops. Give the guy something. Stafford won ugly with everything going against him. He won with 41 TDs with everything going for him in 2011. He lost in 2012 and 2013 when the injuries and run support and drops and turnovers (16 and 15 fumbles) were just too much

Lions won in 2014 due to
1) 8 fumbles lost not 15 or 16 like 2012/2013
2) +7 turnover differential (27 forced finally not 17 and 22 like 2012/2013)
3) top 3 secondary players stayed healthy (less big plays given up on D)
4) Stafford limited ints

Stafford has played pretty much the same since 2011. The stats differ due to other factors. 2014 he had one more weapon to count on but was in a new systme with less protection and the least run support of his career.

Stafford won 11 with two RT/RG/Calvin/Bush/Fauria/Ebron injuries.

 

[LKP]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt
28 teams had more run support than Stafford. 21 by a good amount

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks
19 teams were sacked less than Stafford. Many by a good amount. Sacks are drive killers

Stafford and Eli were in new offenses. And the rookies of course.

24 teams had a better drop % than Stafford got in 2014. This was 31 teams by a good amount in 2013.

Weapon/Oline injuries. We can look team by team if you want. Lions had plenty of them. Packers had Bulaga for 1.5 games and that is it I know. We could count Tretter for 8 games. Still way less than Detroit.

 

[brewer229]

Actually, that's not my argument lol. Your question is dumb anyways. Wtf am i supposed to say? Whatever i say is wrong anyways lol. I told you a 100x over why he's a good QB. You hate him so much that it doesn't matter. He's taking this team to the playoffs a couple of times, he's breaking records with ease, he's made some unbelievable comebacks. ACTUALLY, i think he owns the record for QBs with the most comebacks in the last few years. Someone needs to look that up though, he does a ton of good for this franchise.
Your argument is a retarded QBR stat that nobody cares about and that he hasn't won a championship. Guess what, buddy? There's a shitload of great/good/mediocre QBs that haven't won. You're weak lol

He's thrown the ball a lot, I get he "breaks records", but all this record breaking is simply related to quantity. He is terribly inefficient as a QB.

I don't think once I mentioned anything he sucks because he hasn't won a title. I think he is below average because he is very inaccurate, misses reads, panics under pressure, and is the most inconsistent QB in the league. He can look elite one game, and like he doesn't belong in the league the next.

I support my opinion/argument with facts and stats, just because you choose to ignore them doesn't make them invalid. You support yours with insults and Lions "records".

He's led some nice comebacks, but also allowed the other teams to comeback against the lions with some ill advised playing. He has nearly 2x the comebacks as Rodgers, does that mean in the 4th quarter you want Stafford of Rodgers? I would think not. To have a comeback once must be behind in the 4th quarter. So a guy like Stafford has a lot more chances for comebacks compared to the elite guys simply because he and his team aren't nearly as good in the 1st 3 quarters. Again a quantity thing.

 

[LKP]

Stafford' accruracy and reads are fine. Would look even better with some run support and protection and less drops.

The bad throws are way overblown. Plus every QB has them. Even if Stafford has 1-2 a game more than most QBs, he is still a good QB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Drew Brees, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner ...just to name a few. Not saying that Stafford is on their level, but it's never too late.

Warner won the SB his first year. He was just older, quite the different path than Matt. And Moon, his NFL career started late. Figured you'd use those. I'll give you Brees, though if we're complaining about talent..ours blows those San Diego teams away..

 

[LKP]

Warner won the SB his first year. He was just older, quite the different path than Matt. And Moon, his NFL career started late. Figured you'd use those. I'll give you Brees, though if we're complaining about talent..ours blows those San Diego teams away..

Gates and LT won't be in the HOF or anything. 24 TDs and 15 ints in Brees last SD season looks alot like 22 TDs and 12 ints to me (plus 2 rushing TDs). Brees also had LT, Michael Turner and Sproles giving great run support. Gates and McCardell. Stafford had Bell and injured Bush behind bad run blocking. Calvin for 11 and Tate for 16 was nice though.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Warner won the SB his first year. He was just older, quite the different path than Matt. And Moon, his NFL career started late. Figured you'd use those. I'll give you Brees, though if we're complaining about talent..ours blows those San Diego teams away..

Started late, but started TERRIBLY too. Look at his numbers the first 4 years.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00.htm

Awful.

It wasn't until he was 32 years old and had 3 VERY good WR and a good pass blocking OL that he had ANY success at the NFL level.

He is currently in the HOF.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Started late, but started TERRIBLY too. Look at his numbers the first 4 years.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoonWa00.htm

Awful.

It wasn't until he was 32 years old and had 3 VERY good WR and a good pass blocking OL that he had ANY success at the NFL level.

He is currently in the HOF.

Yes. Nonetheless, if Matt turns into Warren Moon..I'll be on board. Does anyone think he becomes Warren Moon?

Does anyone think Matt becomes a hof like the three players that were mentioned? It's been 6 years so far..anyone believes there's a chance he becomes a hof, even a 2% chance?

 

[LKP]

Yes. Nonetheless, if Matt turns into Warren Moon..I'll be on board. Does anyone think he becomes Warren Moon?

Does anyone think Matt becomes a hof like the three players that were mentioned? It's been 6 years so far..anyone believes there's a chance he becomes a hof, even a 2% chance?

Moon was 58% completion 291 TDs and 233 TDS. Moon is 8th all time in TDS.

Stafford is at 59.6% 131 TDS and 85 ints already at 27. So 10 more years at a 28 TD pace (the current pace he is on the last 4 years)

411 TDs. Marino's record was 420 by the way.

Stafford can go to the HOF. I hope Stafford is a Lion for 10 more years.

 

[cheeno]

I would send Stafford to Edmonton for half a decade. Worked for Moon.

 

[sggatecl]

I would send Stafford to Edmonton for half a decade. Worked for Moon.

I'll pay for the plane ticket.

 

[brewer229]

Moon was 58% completion 291 TDs and 233 TDS. Moon is 8th all time in TDS.

Stafford is at 59.6% 131 TDS and 85 ints already at 27. So 10 more years at a 28 TD pace (the current pace he is on the last 4 years)

411 TDs. Marino's record was 420 by the way.

Stafford can go to the HOF. I hope Stafford is a Lion for 10 more years.

Peyton is at 530. Putting up similar TDs (Assuming your projections) to a guy that started his career 30 years ago isn't impressive.

People need to stop comparing current players to players that played in the 90s, 80s, 70s. The game has changed. Which was once an impressive number is no longer impressive.

 

[LKP]

Peyton is at 530. Putting up similar TDs (Assuming your projections) to a guy that started his career 30 years ago isn't impressive.

People need to stop comparing current players to players that played in the 90s, 80s, 70s. The game has changed. Which was once an impressive number is no longer impressive.

420 TDs would be impressive. No matter the era.

 

[brewer229]

420 TDs would be impressive. No matter the era.

But no lock to be in HOF. Especially with 245 Interceptions (Based on same 4 year history over 10 years). 10 more years of playing is no sure thing either. Like it our not hall of fame voters will look at the era you play in, if you aren't top 5 maybe 10 of your era you are not getting into hall of fame.

He plays in an ERA where QB play is at a all time high level, he just isn't HOF worthy. All these guys would need to get in 1st: Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco. Then you have the younger Guys: Wilson, Luck.

 

[LKP]

But no lock to be in HOF. Especially with 245 Interceptions (Based on same 4 year history over 10 years). 10 more years of playing is no sure thing either. Like it our not hall of fame voters will look at the era you play in, if you aren't top 5 maybe 10 of your era you are not getting into hall of fame.

He plays in an ERA where QB play is at a all time high level, he just isn't HOF worthy. All these guys would need to get in 1st: Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco. Then you have the younger Guys: Wilson, Luck.

Stafford is good enough in this era. If he continues this pace he's getting in.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford is good enough in this era. If he continues this pace he's getting in.

current pace...a ton of yards, good TD numbers, high INTs, zero playoff wins, zero wins on the road vs. teams with winning records. Doesn't sound like a HOF QB to me!

 

[Mitchrapp]

 

[LKP]

current pace...a ton of yards, good TD numbers, high INTs, zero playoff wins, zero wins on the road vs. teams with winning records. Doesn't sound like a HOF QB to me!

tons of yards, first downs and TDs. Playoff wins and wins on the road are coming.

 

[grandy]

Refs and concentrated injuries will screw him out of the HoF