Sign Rice

[lucke]

Caldwell turned Rice into a piece of shit?? lmfao.

you didn't know that? his declining stats over the last 3-4 years are all due to 18 months of Caldwell... lol

 

[inkfreq]

I will say this for Rice...

Based on what the judge heard during his appeal... she said it was obvious and proven that he never lied to the commissioner or the NFL....

He didn't hide it. He didn't lie about it. He took the responsibility both publicly and behind closed doors. Most athletes or celebrities of any kind will only take the responsibility in the public once they have no alternatives. Rice took it on his own shoulders behind closed doors, and proved it.

Ozzie Newsome even testified that Rice never once lied or tried to downplay what happened.

He was a man about it. Granted, he was a man, after being far less than a man. Would have been nice if he was a man when it really mattered, instead of knocking a woman out cold. But at the very least, you have to respect that even behind closed doors, with the league trying to protect him, he told the truth, and didn't sugar-coat it.

 

[brewer229]

you didn't know that? his declining stats over the last 3-4 years are all due to 18 months of Caldwell... lol

Rice averaged almost 1900 yards, the 4 years prior to Caldwell, not exactly a decline. Had his best year two years before Caldwell arrived over 2000 Yards/15 TDs. Had over 1600/10 Tds the year before Caldwell became full time coordinator.

Had under 1000 Yards/4 TDs under Caldwell's full year.

 

[lucke]

Rice averaged almost 1900 yards, the 4 years prior to Caldwell, not exactly a decline. Had his best year two years before Caldwell arrived over 2000 Yards/15 TDs. Had over 1600/10 Tds the year before Caldwell became full time coordinator.

Had under 1000 Yards/4 TDs under Caldwell's full year.

you mean he went from 2000yds down to 1600yds down to 1000yds? i'd say that's textbook definition of declining stats...

 

[brewer229]

you mean he went from 2000yds down to 1600yds down to 1000yds? i'd say that's textbook definition of declining stats...

Yards from Scrimmage:
#2 in 2009
#3 in 2010
#1 in 2011
#9 in 2012
#53 in 2013

Still not seeing the 3-4 years of decline stats you are stating.
Top 10, every year prior to Caldwell. #53 with him.

If you want to take it one step further. If you take his average the 1st 13 games of 2012 (prior to Caldwell) and project that over 16 games he would of ended up #5 in 2012.

 

[lucke]

Yards from Scrimmage:
#1 in 2011
#9 in 2012
#53 in 2013

Still not seeing the 3-4 years of decline stats you are stating.

let me spell it out for you... his production has declined each year since 2011 (3.75 seasons ago) as you stated above...

do you know what declining means? i have to ask since you obviously don't get it...

 

[lgolfer]

Rice averaged almost 1900 yards, the 4 years prior to Caldwell, not exactly a decline. Had his best year two years before Caldwell arrived over 2000 Yards/15 TDs. Had over 1600/10 Tds the year before Caldwell became full time coordinator.

Had under 1000 Yards/4 TDs under Caldwell's full year.

The O-line for the Ravens was disastrous in 2013, which doesn't exactly help the running back, who in this case was Rice.

 

[brewer229]

let me spell it out for you... his production has declined each year since 2011 (3.75 seasons ago) as you stated above...

do you know what declining means? i have to ask since you obviously don't get it...

Do you see the giant gap pre and post Caldwell? Y
ou're like LKP like to go on small technicalities, Yes going from #1 to #9 is a decline. Guy is top 10 his whole career, then is #53.

 

[brewer229]

The O-line for the Ravens was disastrous in 2013, which doesn't exactly help the running back, who in this case was Rice.

So the O-line became worse once he took over the play calling?

I'm not saying it's all on Caldwell, but now that it has been brought up, the similarities between the two decreases in production are reason for concern.

 

[lgolfer]

So the O-line became worse once he took over the play calling?

I'm not saying it's all on Caldwell, but now that it has been brought up, the similarities between the two decreases in production are reason for concern.

They had several key injuries to starters and other starters were getting old. Hiring Caldwell did not make the offensive line for the Ravens worse.

 

[tonyballs]

Rice averaged almost 1900 yards, the 4 years prior to Caldwell, not exactly a decline. Had his best year two years before Caldwell arrived over 2000 Yards/15 TDs. Had over 1600/10 Tds the year before Caldwell became full time coordinator.

Had under 1000 Yards/4 TDs under Caldwell's full year.

That has nothing to do with Caldwell. Give me a break, man...lol. These guys age in a snap.

 

[tonyballs]

you didn't know that? his declining stats over the last 3-4 years are all due to 18 months of Caldwell... lol

Anything for the doom and gloom club to rip on and they will do it. Ray Rice getting old? Caldwell. Ray Rice slapping the shit out of his old lady? Caldwell.

 

[inkfreq]

The average career length of an NFL running back?

.. 4.5 years. That's it. It's the shortest career expectancy of any position on the field.

Even the best of the best had careers much shorter than their peers. Barry Sanders, 10 years. Gayle Sayers, 7 years. Jim Brown, 9 years. Terrell Davis, 7 years (three of which he barely played).

Guys like Clinton Portis seemed to hang on forever, but played only 9 years.

Even Walter Payton, who had one of the longest careers of any RB, played only 13 years, which is like 1/300th of what Brett Favre played... or something like that.

Favre age jokes aside, it is still one year shorter than the career of Trent Dilfer. Think about that, Dilfer managed a longer career than Sweetness. Arguably one of the worst QBs ever to win a SuperBowl had a longer career than one of the greatest and most durable RBs of all time.

There is no coach to blame for the decline of a RB... ANY running back. They break down early. They decline fast. Every single year we see one of the better backs in the league become a brick with feet overnight. Ray Rice broke down fast too.

 

[mhughes0021]

They had several key injuries to starters and other starters were getting old. Hiring Caldwell did not make the offensive line for the Ravens worse.

Hiring Caldwell has turned our oline into garbage....why couldn't the same be true for the ravens. Ray rice was absolute garbage under Caldwell. The stats don't lie.

 

[mhughes0021]

The average career length of an NFL running back?

.. 4.5 years. That's it. It's the shortest career expectancy of any position on the field.

Even the best of the best had careers much shorter than their peers. Barry Sanders, 10 years. Gayle Sayers, 7 years. Jim Brown, 9 years. Terrell Davis, 7 years (three of which he barely played).

Guys like Clinton Portis seemed to hang on forever, but played only 9 years.

Even Walter Payton, who had one of the longest careers of any RB, played only 13 years, which is like 1/300th of what Brett Favre played... or something like that.

Favre age jokes aside, it is still one year shorter than the career of Trent Dilfer. Think about that, Dilfer managed a longer career than Sweetness. Arguably one of the worst QBs ever to win a SuperBowl had a longer career than one of the greatest and most durable RBs of all time.

There is no coach to blame for the decline of a RB... ANY running back. They break down early. They decline fast. Every single year we see one of the better backs in the league become a brick with feet overnight. Ray Rice broke down fast too.

Ok, now forecast that out over Caldwells last 2 jobs and see whats more probable. Rice went from top 5 rushing to 50ish. Joique Bell and Theo Riddick are not old. Ravens and Lions both suck balls at running the ball. Whats more likely....ray rice got old? Or Caldwell cant head offenses that run worth a lick? Shit...go ahead and do it for his last 3 jobs for all I care....indy sucked ass at running the ball too.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's not like Bell and esp. Riddick have much history on their side that says they're any good. Bell only average 3.9 last season, not much different than now.

 

[schles192]

Ok, now forecast that out over Caldwells last 2 jobs and see whats more probable. Rice went from top 5 rushing to 50ish. Joique Bell and Theo Riddick are not old. Ravens and Lions both suck balls at running the ball. Whats more likely....ray rice got old? Or Caldwell cant head offenses that run worth a lick? Shit...go ahead and do it for his last 3 jobs for all I care....indy sucked ass at running the ball too.

We run the NO offense not the one he had in Balt and Lombardi calls the play so I;m not sure why Caldwell would get the blame for our running problems. unless your saying Caldwell is some form of run Kryptonite and his mere presence lowers our YPC by 1 yard.

 

[mhughes0021]

We run the NO offense not the one he had in Balt and Lombardi calls the play so I;m not sure why Caldwell would get the blame for our running problems. unless your saying Caldwell is some form of run Kryptonite and his mere presence lowers our YPC by 1 yard.

NO runs the ball well....so there goes your theory. Lombardi never ran an offense before and yes...we hired Caldwell as an offensive coach to help with Stafford and the offense. Whatever schemes we are running in the run game aren't working...therefor Caldwell should receive some of the blame. This is his staff and his team.

 

[schles192]

NO runs the ball well....so there goes your theory. Lombardi never ran an offense before and yes...we hired Caldwell as an offensive coach to help with Stafford and the offense. Whatever schemes we are running in the run game aren't working...therefor Caldwell should receive some of the blame. This is his staff and his team.

I don't really have a theory, just know we couldn't run the ball before he got here and we still can't.

 

[mhughes0021]

I don't really have a theory, just know we couldn't run the ball before he got here and we still can't.

I hear ya...but at this point we have to try to have a discussion about what is really going on. I just have a hard time saying....oh everyone that Caldwell works with just automatically becomes old. Caldwell has never been in charge of a solid run game. It is what it is.