Sources: NCAA investigating Michigan football for alleged rule violations related to

[Spartanmack]

With the combined level of talent on the team do you really think that Michigan needed to steal signs to beat the teams they have beaten this year? Come on! If they were stealing signs they should have beaten these teams a lot worse than what they did. As my ol Grandma use to say "Get the hell outta here with that crap".

Right, and if you didn't call the Philly Special on 4th and 2, you'd have definitely been in the NC game.

 

[bphillips4gg]

You can't spew bullshit then tell people not to come at you for spewing bullshit - it doesn't work like that. You don't get credit for providing sources when your sources are garbage, particularly when you yourself say your source is garbage. If you want my source, do as I told you and go back to the original thread - this has all been discussed ad nauseum on this forum. There were two independent investigations that cleared Dantonio of any wrongdoing and the crap you cite in the OTL report is all unconfirmed. Dantonio denies being told what you quoted about Robertson and the guy who supposedly said it didn't confirm it either. It's on the record here already, if you refuse to accept that's on you.

LOLOL, the foundation of my argument was Mazi was carrying an illegally possessed firearm with enough ammo to kill 50 people, not that he was in school zone. Also, I never said he was in a school zone. I said he was speeding through a residential zone, past a school. If that detail is slightly off, it doesn't change what he did one bit. You're the dope that thinks it somehow exonerates him for his obviously dangerous and criminal behavior. Then you wave your hands and post a bunch of whataboutisms and accuse me of saying DUI is no big deal which I clearly never did.

LOLOLOLOLOL - pointing out the fact that uofm got beat by TCU in an attempt to keep you from embarrassing yourself and looking like a butt hurt whiney homer is "obsessing over michigan." OK.

Again with the lies and manipulation of facts. Curtis Blackwell said, under oath, that at least 3 staff members warned Dantonio about Robertson. Under oath meaning he goes to prison if he lies. He specifically named Ron Burton as saying he didn't want Robertson on campus with his daughter.

You DID say it was a school zone, I said it was a residential zone. There's also not a single story, article, police report etc to indicate that he was driving past a school, so that's another another instance of you asserting something that is not true and (again) failing to provide anything to support your claim.

You also said "the officer possibly prevented a mass shooting", I suppose that's your divine insight allowing you to see that there could be no other reason an individual would be in possession of the amount of ammo that comes in a single package. That entire argument is so fucking stupid that it doesn't even justify any more responses. Fudd.

Lastly, I suppose that Joel Klatt, Josh Pate and noted Michigan sympathizer Kirk Herbstreit are also "butt hurt whiney homers" since each of them, respected football analysts, had the same analysis of the TCU game as I did.

Now, take your bullshit elsewhere. For once everyone is trying to have an actual conversation in this thread and you're coming in with the sole purpose of being a disruptive douchebag. Just take your bullshit to the other thread if you want to continue to be a lying twat.

 

[Spartanmack]

Again with the lies and manipulation of facts. Curtis Blackwell said, under oath, that at least 3 staff members warned Dantonio about Robertson. Under oath meaning he goes to prison if he lies. He specifically named Ron Burton as saying he didn't want Robertson on campus with his daughter.

You DID say it was a school zone, I said it was a residential zone. There's also not a single story, article, police report etc to indicate that he was driving past a school, so that's another another instance of you asserting something that is not true and (again) failing to provide anything to support your claim.

You also said "the officer possibly prevented a mass shooting", I suppose that's your divine insight allowing you to see that there could be no other reason an individual would be in possession of the amount of ammo that comes in a single package. That entire argument is so fucking stupid that it doesn't even justify any more responses. Fudd.

Lastly, I suppose that Joel Klatt, Josh Pate and noted Michigan sympathizer Kirk Herbstreit are also "butt hurt whiney homers" since each of them, respected football analysts, had the same analysis of the TCU game as I did.

Now, take your bullshit elsewhere. For once everyone is trying to have an actual conversation in this thread and you're coming in with the sole purpose of being a disruptive douchebag. Just take your bullshit to the other thread if you want to continue to be a lying twat.

no lies, no manipulations. Again, it's simple. Dantonio and MSU handled the allegations of sexual assault by football players properly - 2 independent investigations confirmed that. uofm covered up a rape and threats against the victim for 2 years - just like they covered up the Mazi Smith investigation as long as they could. Those are the facts and they are indisputable.

You saying after the fact that it was wrong for uofm to do that means nothing, particularly in the face of all your equivocating, whataboutism and debunked lies from ESPN that you know is garbage.

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You also said "the officer possibly prevented a mass shooting", I suppose that's your divine insight allowing you to see that there could be no other reason an individual would be in possession of the amount of ammo that comes in a single package. That entire argument is so fucking stupid that it doesn't even justify any more responses. Fudd.

This is just complete and utter nonsense. Are you saying the arresting officer didn't possibly prevent a mass shooting or even a road rage shooting? How do you know that? Maybe the cop prevented a suicide, maybe he just pulled over a shithead that didn't know any better. There's plenty of reasons a criminal could be illegally possessing a firearm with shitloads of ammo - many of them totally harmless. I didn't say the cop definitely prevented a shooting of any kind, but it's certainly possible - that's not divine insight, it's obvious however unlikely you think it might be. So what's your source for saying it's literally impossible - another ESPN article?

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

That Georgia defense was historically great. As in probably the best college defense of all time. They had 7 (!!!!) first round draft picks in 2022 and they would've had an 8th that probably is the second highest pick if Nakobe Dean hadn't had injury concerns. And he still went in the 3rd round.They had another 2 first round picks in the 2022 draft.

That Georgia team was just better than that Michigan team, especially with Cade at QB. They could've given Michigan their defensive playbook and it wouldn't have made a difference.

They were good, but did you even watch the Alabama game? Alabama shredded their D in SEC championship. If Georgia didn't scout us as good as they did, we would've of had more than just 3 points in the 1st half. Remember, we had a historical offensive line? Best in the country. Scouting destroyed that offensive line. They knew exactly what we were doing.

 

[bphillips4gg]

They were good, but did you even watch the Alabama game? Alabama shredded their D in SEC championship. If Georgia didn't scout us as good as they did, we would've of had more than just 3 points in the 1st half. Remember, we had a historical offensive line? Best in the country. Scouting destroyed that offensive line. They knew exactly what we were doing.

I watched the future #1 overall pick throwing to the No. 7 overall pick and a second rounder. Bryce Young threw for over 400 yards in that game. I also watched the national championship game where UGA dismantled Bama in the rematch.

Michigan wasn't there yet in '21, especially with Cade. You can't compete with 9 first rounders when you have Cade McNamara starting at QB. Georgia was just a better team.

 

[bphillips4gg]

no lies, no manipulations. Again, it's simple. Dantonio and MSU handled the allegations of sexual assault by football players properly - 2 independent investigations confirmed that. uofm covered up a rape and threats against the victim for 2 years - just like they covered up the Mazi Smith investigation as long as they could. Those are the facts and they are indisputable.

You saying after the fact that it was wrong for uofm to do that means nothing, particularly in the face of all your equivocating, whataboutism and debunked lies from ESPN that you know is garbage.

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This is just complete and utter nonsense. Are you saying the arresting officer didn't possibly prevent a mass shooting or even a road rage shooting? How do you know that? Maybe the cop prevented a suicide, maybe he just pulled over a shithead that didn't know any better. There's plenty of reasons a criminal could be illegally possessing a firearm with shitloads of ammo - many of them totally harmless. I didn't say the cop definitely prevented a shooting of any kind, but it's certainly possible - that's not divine insight, it's obvious however unlikely you think it might be. So what's your source for saying it's literally impossible - another ESPN article?

JFC can you at least stay on topic? You start talking about Robertson, I respond about Robertson, then you reply with "Well we got the OTHER 3 rapes right" and you think you somehow owned me. What a fucking tool.

And yes, I'm saying that the arresting officer unequivocally did not prevent a mass shooting. You're beyond grasping at straws at this point. Just go hide under the rock with Johnny. You're worse than he is.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Literally, KTLA Los Angeles - I?m not kidding, I just woke up to this - mocked this and made fun of this.

?Scouting future opponents to steal their signs??

For the love of Beelzebub.

Yeah, again - when KTLA Channel 5 in Hollywood can figure out a sports story is literally mockable, and mocks it - that shit is fuckin? mockable.

Have fun all, with your sources and your rhetoric.

 

[gotime909]

I rolled my eyes at the reports last week about this, but if this is true(it's espn after all) there might be some explaining to do.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727023/u-m-staffer-bought-tickets-11-schools

 

[tomdalton22]

it must be how they were able to shut out MSU :lmao::cheers:

 

[biggunsbob]

I rolled my eyes at the reports last week about this, but if this is true(it's espn after all) there might be some explaining to do.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727023/u-m-staffer-bought-tickets-11-schools

So freaking dumb and unnecessary?.Maybe they all should be fired for being stupid.

 

[biggunsbob]

For sure Stallions will get fired. If it gets back that any of the coaches knew they will also be fired. It?s under Harbaugh watch so he may have to go also even if he didn?t know like he said. Very stupid. Unnecessary. Osu thought they were doing this and change all their signs last season. . Now the video evidence has not been sent yet to the ncaa of the staffers video taping but it?s in the mail. I?m asking because that is what I heard.

Again so dumb and unnecessary. Maybe they all should be fired for being stupid.

This team is so fun to watch. They are so connected to each other and they have to deal with this dumb distraction that is so self induced.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I rolled my eyes at the reports last week about this, but if this is true(it's espn after all) there might be some explaining to do.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38727023/u-m-staffer-bought-tickets-11-schools

That article does make it seem fairly shady......but i still doubt anything comes of it. It will all depend on where the trail leads.

1. He only makes $55,000.00 year from U of M. There are THOUSANDS of dollars of tickets being purchased here.....its he being reimbursed for them? If so, who is paying for it. Is U of M? If that is the case, it gets a lot worse.

2. Can it be traced to anyone? Who ok's those reimbursement sheets? Athletic department?

3. Is he sending those videos to anyone? Who?

4. The big question.....can any of it be traced to anyone important? I doubt that. It would take a real moron to get tied to this. I doubt it comes anywhere near Harbaugh or any high level coach.

Slap on the wrist unless a big name get's involved.

 

[Spartanmack]

JFC can you at least stay on topic? You start talking about Robertson, I respond about Robertson, then you reply with "Well we got the OTHER 3 rapes right" and you think you somehow owned me. What a fucking tool.

And yes, I'm saying that the arresting officer unequivocally did not prevent a mass shooting. You're beyond grasping at straws at this point. Just go hide under the rock with Johnny. You're worse than he is.

LOL, this is cute - you're definitely giving MC a run for his money as the straw man champion.

One of us has definitely trouble staying on topic (and even more trouble with the truth), but it's not me. For at least the 5th time: Dantonio and MSU handled allegations of sexual assault (which includes the Robertson case) appropriately while uofm covered up a rape and threats against the victim for over 2 years. Those are the facts and they are indisputable.

Obviously with multiple NCAA investigations against your classless, thug program led by a coach and administration who clearly have no respect for any of the rules but still can't manage to compete with good teams like TCU, Bama and OSU back when they were elite, I get that you'd feel the need to lie about another program to distract from all the shit that's going on in AA, but sadly you just don't have the facts on your side.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Still........no rules broken. People that arent affiliated with program recorded video, supposedly. If thats the case, Stallions found a work around. If there is no University money used and reimbursements of any kind made, case closed.

To Add, Warde Manuel needs to go fuck himself. This dude is theee biggest piece of shit AD in the history of college sports. NCAA is told to fuck off at every turn by every team in the SEC and ACC, sans an FBI investigation, and basically gives the NCAA the keys to Harbaugh's office. "Just lock the door when you leave." Also to Add, this whole thing is bullshit anyways if it is true. You can sign steal all you want, but you can only doing it a certain way. Fuck off with that.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

To Add further......if your dumb fucking asses arent changing your signals from game to game, like most smart coaches do, then that's your fucking problem, dipshits.

 

[tomdalton22]

Still........no rules broken. People that arent affiliated with program recorded video, supposedly. If thats the case, Stallions found a work around. If there is no University money used and reimbursements of any kind made, case closed.

I agree that it seems to be a pretty stupid rule, but it's a rule. If he's a staffer paying other people (providing the tickets, etc) to do it, it's breaking the rule.

Stupid rule and even stupider to get caught.

 

[bphillips4gg]

So one of two things is true. Either Thamel is a complete moron or he is knowingly publishing incorrect information because has an agenda. Either way his credibility on this entire situation is gone.

Based on this report Michigan and Stallions did not break any rules. The advanced scouting rule applies to staffers and coaches of the team. The story being circulated now is that Stallions provided tickets for students at the schools where the future opponents were playing. That's not against the rules.

The rules regarding recording equipment are regarding the game that you're currently playing. It has nothing to do with other games and has nothing to do with individuals who are not affiliated with the school recording what they want at games.

Thamel is conflating the two rules and reaching on what constitutes "people affiliated with the program". I'm sure the NCAA will try to argue to whom that term applies. But it appears that Stallions was operating in a gray area that did not violate the letter of the law but did certainly violate the spirit of the law. Day isn't mad that they did it, he's just mad that he didn't think of it.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I agree that it seems to be a pretty stupid rule, but it's a rule. If he's a staffer paying other people (providing the tickets, etc) to do it, it's breaking the rule.

Stupid rule and even stupider to get caught.

Actually, that's not against the rule. Him attending the games himself would be a violation. Him using "professional scouting services" would be against the rule. Asking a couple of college kids to record a game they're attending is not against either the advance scouting rule or the video recording rule (which only applies to the game you're participating in).

It's going to come down to the NCAA trying to argue that providing the tickets to the people who went to the game might constitute compensation. Literally all they would have had to do to offset that would be to have those people send them a few bucks per ticket.

 

[Spartanmack]

Still........no rules broken. People that arent affiliated with program recorded video, supposedly. If thats the case, Stallions found a work around. If there is no University money used and reimbursements of any kind made, case closed.

To Add, Warde Manuel needs to go fuck himself. This dude is theee biggest piece of shit AD in the history of college sports. NCAA is told to fuck off at every turn by every team in the SEC and ACC, sans an FBI investigation, and basically gives the NCAA the keys to Harbaugh's office. "Just lock the door when you leave." Also to Add, this whole thing is bullshit anyways if it is true. You can sign steal all you want, but you can only doing it a certain way. Fuck off with that.

One of the articles states the point of the rule is to protect programs that don't have the resources to send scouts all over the country to record opponents' signs. I think it's not illegal for in-game because 1) everyone is going to try to do it 2) it's impossible to police and 3) everyone can do it, not just the rich teams.

As for the reimbursements, I doubt they need to prove that - although it would certainly be more obvious if there is an auditable trail of money. If he was instructed to do it and paid a salary, that's likely all they need.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

So one of two things is true. Either Thamel is a complete moron or he is knowingly publishing incorrect information because has an agenda. Either way his credibility on this entire situation is gone.

Based on this report Michigan and Stallions did not break any rules. The advanced scouting rule applies to staffers and coaches of the team. The story being circulated now is that Stallions provided tickets for students at the schools where the future opponents were playing. That's not against the rules.

The rules regarding recording equipment are regarding the game that you're currently playing. It has nothing to do with other games and has nothing to do with individuals who are not affiliated with the school recording what they want at games.

Thamel is conflating the two rules and reaching on what constitutes "people affiliated with the program". I'm sure the NCAA will try to argue to whom that term applies. But it appears that Stallions was operating in a gray area that did not violate the letter of the law but did certainly violate the spirit of the law. Day isn't mad that they did it, he's just mad that he didn't think of it.

Booooom!!