Stopping the Syrian refugees is ISIS strategy.

[tinselwolverine]

With all this talk about blocking refugees, how is nobody talking about the likelihood that that is exactly what ISIS wants us to do? Last I read, all the terrorists in France were EU citizens and the Syrian passport was fake. Why would they have a fake Syrian passport? To frame Syrian refugees. Desperate populations are good places for them to recruit.

But - what if this is EXACTLY what ISIS wants us to "figure out," so we "outsmart" them and let all their terrorist "refugees" in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_eZmEiyTo0

 

[sggatecl]

The whole thing feels like it's just lip service and a knee jerk reaction.

ISIS is known to operate significantly in more than just Syria. Why aren't we trying to stop those countries? Feels like a luke warm response. I hate the idea of turning away people in need but if you're going to do it, do it right. All or nothing.

 

[mhughes0021]

Test them. Give them all a bomb to strap on and make them sit with Donald trump for 30 minutes. If they set the bomb off....they are dead. No loss.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Test them. Give them all a bomb to strap on and make them sit with Donald trump for 30 minutes. If they set the bomb off....they are dead. No loss.

When they detonate the bombs, instead of screaming "God is great," they can all just yell out "you're fired!"

 

[zyxt9]

Not necessarily. But when we have such fear that we can't help, they've accomplished their goal.

As for zxyt's comment, it depends on the person. Putting a cowardly 30 year old into battle only gives Isis the advantage. Remember the Iraqi cowards that gave up their weapons that we gave them? Cowards in war are weak links. I do think, though, that vetted refugees that want to fight should be trained somewhere out of country.

Good point, they have been less than ideal warriors; however, the rough estimation is for every person on the front line, they need 10 people in support positions. Those vary from cooks to truck drivers to medical personnel to admins....a huge support network has to be in place for armies to be successful, even against IS.

 

[Gulo Blue]

As is the idea that the terror attack shouldn't make people take a second look at the refugee crisis because they were committed by mostly or all French citizens. These people may have French citizenship but they're not multi-generation French families. They're the children of immigrants who refuse to assimilate to French society and despise the fact that France is not governed by Sharia law.

Sure. They're the children of immigrants. They're not refugees.

Has a single refugee been involved in a terrorist act? Or has there been a single case of a terrorist using refugee status to get from one place to another?

It would be one thing if we were throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but there no evidence there's ever been any bathwater here.

 

[Spartanmack]

Sure. They're the children of immigrants. They're not refugees.

Has a single refugee been involved in a terrorist act? Or has there been a single case of a terrorist using refugee status to get from one place to another?

It would be one thing if we were throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but there no evidence there's ever been any bathwater here.

Do you need to wait for one to be involved in a terrorist attack before you take extra precautions when handling hundreds of thousands of refugees from countries where we know terrorists exist on a large scale and have training/recruiting elements that evidence indicates were where some of the attackers were trained?

And would it be just one involved in a small attack or is there a threshhold, say 3 incidents involving "refugees" or a body count, like 50+ innocent people have to die at the hands of a terrorist who came into a country posing as a refugee before a country is allowed to say "wait a minute" and decide to thoroughly vett people, particularly fighting aged males before letting them in.

 

[Gulo Blue]

But - what if this is EXACTLY what ISIS wants us to "figure out," so we "outsmart" them and let all their terrorist "refugees" in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_eZmEiyTo0

Have you ever heard of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Ayman al-Iraqi, Abu Ahmad al-Alwani?

...

Morons.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Do you need to wait for one to be involved in a terrorist attack before you take extra precautions when handling hundreds of thousands of refugees from countries where we know terrorists exist on a large scale and have training/recruiting elements that evidence indicates were where some of the attackers were trained?

And would it be just one involved in a small attack or is there a threshhold, say 3 incidents involving "refugees" or a body count, like 50+ innocent people have to die at the hands of a terrorist who came into a country posing as a refugee before a country is allowed to say "wait a minute" and decide to thoroughly vett people, particularly fighting aged males before letting them in.

We should put all Spartan alumni in internment camps too. I know they haven't done anything yet, but do we really need to wait for one to be involved in a terrorist attack before you take extra precautions when handling hundreds of thousands of alumni from classes where we know extreme ideas are discussed on a large scale and have training/recruiting elements in the state with the largest Arab population outside of the Arabian Peninsula?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Hmmm...never realized until writing the post above...what is it with Arabs and peninsulas?

 

[zyxt9]

Hmmm...never realized until writing the post above...what is it with Arabs and peninsulas?

If you were accustomed to living in desert type conditions, but not accustomed to swimming or boating, you would be drawn to peninsulas where there is an abundance of water around you, yet you still had access to land for transportation purposes.

Not to mention Detroit has affordable housing...there is that part of the puzzle that could just make all of the peninsula stuff be mere coincidence.

 

[Michchamp]

Hmmm...never realized until writing the post above...what is it with Arabs and peninsulas?

they don't particularly like water, just being surrounded by it.

we learned in grade school the reason they picked Detroit is that it would be easier to get to Canada if/when racists like Spartanracist give them too much shit for not being good, clean, white, "multi-generational" American families. Canada was the fall back option. Detroit was just across the river.

 

[Michchamp]

Some people will argue till the cows come home about not being racist, but you just gotta call it like you see it.

Funny, like that Fucker Peter King in NYC, on record never opposing Irish immigration w/out restrictions, even at the height of the NRA's bombing campaigns, but finding all sorts of reasons to oppose the other kind of immigrants...

 

[sggatecl]

Sure. They're the children of immigrants. They're not refugees.

Has a single refugee been involved in a terrorist act? Or has there been a single case of a terrorist using refugee status to get from one place to another?

It would be one thing if we were throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but there no evidence there's ever been any bathwater here.

For what it's worth, the two brothers in the Boston bombing were Chechen refugees I believe.

On the flip side, I don't think someone could safely say they 'used' their refugee status to carry out their attack. They were radicalized after they were here, which is kind of ironic.

 

[Michchamp]

thinking about the situation there in ISIS-controlled parts of Iraq & pretty much all of Syria... it must be absolutely miserable there. Among world powers, pretty much everyone is bombing them. Regionally, they're fighting outright wars against Syria, Iraq, the Kurds, and Turkey. And NATO, and Russia are launching large scale bombing campaigns against them, with the US and France individually doing most of the work.

Could you imagine living with your family in a shooting gallery like that?

And presumably it was even worse before ISIS, or they wouldn't have the local support they do. What other options do you have there? It's either radicalize and join ISIS, try fighting them on your own (and for the locals, that hasn't worked well), or flee & become a refugee.

the lack of understanding and empathy from people here for this situation is really insane, and revealing. Especially since ISIS is only around because of the 2003 Iraq War.

 

[Michchamp]

For what it's worth, the two brothers in the Boston bombing were Chechen refugees I believe.

On the flip side, I don't think someone could safely say they 'used' their refugee status to carry out their attack. They were radicalized after they were here, which is kind of ironic.

also ironic: our "intelligence" agencies knew about them and were repeatedly warned about them... but despite all this invasive surveillance we're all subject to in order to keep us safe, they couldn't do shit about it.

 

[Michchamp]

also ironic: our "intelligence" agencies knew about them and were repeatedly warned about them... but despite all this invasive surveillance we're all subject to in order to keep us safe, they couldn't do shit about it.

or wouldn't do shit about it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

For what it's worth, the two brothers in the Boston bombing were Chechen refugees I believe.

On the flip side, I don't think someone could safely say they 'used' their refugee status to carry out their attack. They were radicalized after they were here, which is kind of ironic.

I didn't know that.

I'll back off the absolute language.

 

[Michchamp]

I didn't know that.

I'll back off the absolute language.

according to wikipedia, they had been in the U.S. since 2002, and applied for and received political asylum.

the older brother was pretty much a violent loser in many ways (no education, no real job, wannabe boxer), and it's safe to say would've become a violent extremist regardless of his religion. If he was a white Christian, he would probably become a gun-nut, white supremacist.

looking at the situation, it's pretty obvious the younger brother was strong-armed into it by his older brother; had it not been for him, he would've been happy sitting in his dorm room, smoking pot with his American buddies.

it's not really a situation you expect to see repeat itself.

 

[Gulo Blue]

according to wikipedia, they had been in the U.S. since 2002, and applied for and received political asylum.

the older brother was pretty much a violent loser in many ways (no education, no real job, wannabe boxer), and it's safe to say would've become a violent extremist regardless of his religion. If he was a white Christian, he would probably become a gun-nut, white supremacist.

looking at the situation, it's pretty obvious the younger brother was strong-armed into it by his older brother; had it not been for him, he would've been happy sitting in his dorm room, smoking pot with his American buddies.

it's not really a situation you expect to see repeat itself.

Well, I'm not changing in my position, which is that we should not let these terror attacks stop us from taking in refugees. We should ramp up our vetting resources. They're saying it currently takes 2 years. I think we have 59 Syrian refugees in North Carolina right now.

I'm not proposing we open the floodgates, but I think our response to terrorism should be to try to to do better, not shut it down completely.