Stopping the Syrian refugees is ISIS strategy.

[Michchamp]

That video is fear mongering.

And that whole bit about out-breeding native populations is wrong. They're not having 7-8 kids because they are Muslim. They're having 7-8 kids because they are from the 3rd world. 3rd world Christians also have 7-8 kids. 1st world Muslims have 1 or 2; same as anyone else.

Aw, jeez Gulo. Come on... you know facts and reason have no place in Republican Fantasy World. don't rain on their Hate Parade.

 

[Michchamp]

...

MC might be Tom Hayden though...

Great Wolverine and Michigander.

I've had this on my bookshelf for a couple years now, but haven't cracked it. Next year is time maybe:

 

[TheVictors]

I read a pretty good piece yesterday that talked about the infighting within ISIS, as told by a Turkish defector. Seemed legit and objective (as opposed to some planted 'defector' spreading BS just to do it) and the problems stem from the notion of putting into practice the theoretical 'caliphate' of all tribes and cultures.

Seems that when the rubber hits the road, some long standing, generational differences are taking priority over the unified front under ISIS and that regionally there are some huge fractures within the group. Given the Biblical war tactic to "divide and conquer," it's not entirely out of the question to think ISIS may fall inward at some point under the weight of expansion.

I realize this point of view doesn't serve the picture of rows and rows of armed and masked 'bad guys,' but we also have a country here that is barely 200yrs old and we're talking about ISIS trying to create this 'caliphate' from centuries of divide, mistrust and animosity.

 

[Michchamp]

I read a pretty good piece yesterday that talked about the infighting within ISIS, as told by a Turkish defector. Seemed legit and objective (as opposed to some planted 'defector' spreading BS just to do it) and the problems stem from the notion of putting into practice the theoretical 'caliphate' of all tribes and cultures.

Seems that when the rubber hits the road, some long standing, generational differences are taking priority over the unified front under ISIS and that regionally there are some huge fractures within the group. Given the Biblical war tactic to "divide and conquer," it's not entirely out of the question to think ISIS may fall inward at some point under the weight of expansion.

I realize this point of view doesn't serve the picture of rows and rows of armed and masked 'bad guys,' but we also have a country here that is barely 200yrs old and we're talking about ISIS trying to create this 'caliphate' from centuries of divide, mistrust and animosity.

yeah, the idea that they'll create a unified Caliphate is insane; the only real factor in their favor is how the West treats them & the people in that region.

Lump any group of people together, subject them to prolonged violence, and I guarantee they'll find common ground with eachother, at least for as long as they're under attack.

aside from that factor, the people in that region are as different from eachother as the residents of different European countries. There was only really a Caliphate for about the first 200 years of their history; after that the Arabs, Persians, Egyptians, Turks, Berbers, etc. all fractured into different political units. This thinking that they're all a uniform bunch of Western-hating, "Arab speaking" extremists reveals the general ignorance of the people espousing it.

For fuck's sake... Syria and Iraq under Baathist regimes were more or less completely secular. The Assads and Hussein crushed any Islamic extremism they encountered.

Then we invade and undermine all those governments, and you get... religious extremists returning to power...

 

[TheVictors]

For fuck's sake... Syria and Iraq under Baathist regimes were more or less completely secular. The Assads and Hussein crushed any Islamic extremism they encountered.

Then we invade and undermine all those governments, and you get... religious extremists returning to power...

yep

 

[mhughes0021]

people also need to chill out about terrorism.

we're so sensitized to it, but of course, you're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike, or the police here for no reason than you are from a terrorist attack. and unfortunately our media hysteria contributes to this, and no one ever gets to go on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, etc. to point this out. Instead we get some member of the Cheney family on Meet the Press for some reason.

equating national security with "not a single attack from muslim extremists succeeding" is absurd, and really makes the term "national security" have no meaning whatsoever.

it's not a realistic threat to the United States or its people anymore than random spree killers, roid-raging cops, or lightning is, only because we allow it to be. and you know my theories why we do...

Our political system glorifies it more than our media. Bunch of BS talking points in every debate from now until eternity. It cant just be some idiot arab extremist that wants to blow himself up.....its obviously somehow obamas fault lmao.

 

[Thumb]

For fuck's sake... Syria and Iraq under Baathist regimes were more or less completely secular. The Assads and Hussein crushed any Islamic extremism they encountered.

Then we invade and undermine all those governments, and you get... religious extremists returning to power...

Fuck you commie bastard! we gave them FREEDOM!!!

 

[mhughes0021]

Probably should note that a lot of muslim countries surrounding Syria wont take a single refugee citing they don't want added exposure to terrorism. So they don't even trust their own. Also, Saudi Arabia has 100,000 air conditioned tents up and ready to go that can hold 3 mil people. So isn't it just a little fishy that they need to go all the way over here when theres a resolution much closer?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Also, Saudi Arabia has 100,000 air conditioned tents up and ready to go that can hold 3 mil people. So isn't it just a little fishy that they need to go all the way over here when theres a resolution much closer?

What for? I hadn't heard of these tents.

...and on the topic of things I don't understand, why doesn't ISIS seem to be going after Israel?

 

[mhughes0021]

What for? I hadn't heard of these tents.

...and on the topic of things I don't understand, why doesn't ISIS seem to be going after Israel?

http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabi...3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

 

[Gulo Blue]

http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabi...3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

That makes sense. The Haj is getting out of control too.

 

[sggatecl]

30 people to a tent? Those must be really big tents.

 

[tinselwolverine]

30 people to a tent? Those must be really big tents.

A "big tent" third political party, maybe.

 

[TheVictors]

Guy last night: "Yeah well one things for sure ...Bush would have carpet bombed the hell out of ISIS by now!"



Me: "Yeah. Either that or carpet bombed the hell out of Iceland...."






Hey-oh!

 

[zyxt9]

Guy last night: "Yeah well one things for sure ...Bush would have carpet bombed the hell out of ISIS by now!"



Me: "Yeah. Either that or carpet bombed the hell out of Iceland...."






Hey-oh!

That's funny, but I'm not sure Dubya is smart enough to know Iceland exists.

Italian Ices...those companies would probably be fucked.

 

[zyxt9]

Was reading some MSN stuff about what makes ISIS different, and much of it has to do with their financials. They have access to several oil related incomes as opposed to relying on rich sponsors. Additionally they have pillaged pretty much everything possible. They have millions every day, and pay their "soldiers" better than the other terrorists or the nations fighting against them.

Part of me thinks this is also why oil prices have dropped. ISIS has to sell oil products below market value on the black market. OPEC seems to be pumping the fuck out of their fields in order to keep the black market costs lower and reduce the income ISIS is getting from their oil. I know everyone prefers to point to fracking and US companies, but I'm thinking OPEC is more concerned with ISIS than US oil. Maybe it is a combination of the two, but the timing of their increased production coincides with ISIS gaining traction too.

 

[Michchamp]

Guy last night: "Yeah well one things for sure ...Bush would have carpet bombed the hell out of ISIS by now!"



Me: "Yeah. Either that or carpet bombed the hell out of Iceland...."






Hey-oh!

 

[zyxt9]

ISIS will potentially burn through their resources and money in a few more years. Especially if the various military forces take out all of the oil production and other large money resources. Armies need supplies and money. Once ISIS begins falling apart though, the various factions that result will likely become even more difficult to identify and track.

 

[Michchamp]

ISIS will potentially burn through their resources and money in a few more years. Especially if the various military forces take out all of the oil production and other large money resources. Armies need supplies and money. Once ISIS begins falling apart though, the various factions that result will likely become even more difficult to identify and track.

they won't be difficult to identify and track once Detective Zyxt gets on the case.

 

[zyxt9]

Politically speaking though, everyone needs to realize that IS attaining its current strength is due to actions by both Bush and Obama.

IS has its origins with AQ in Iraq, which obviously was initiated during the Iraq War II. However, Obama's removal of US forces from Iraq allowed IS to expand at an unprecedented rate and developing into what it is today.

Point being...stop pointing political fingers. BOTH parties are responsible. By remaining divided on actions and how to move forward, IS continues to win.

Best solution, provide necessary support to the Arab nations fighting IS. Let the Muslims show they will not tolerate IS. They actually have more to lose right now than the US, as it is their lands being targeted, their people being raped, pillaged, indoctrinated, etc. Support them, but sending in ground troops is not necessary. At some point the armies of these nations need to step up.