Stupid Lions supposedly want Gase

[tonyballs]

Uh, what? He doesn't need fixing? Other than pocket awareness, horrible feel for pressure, holding onto the ball way too long, forcing throws into coverage, launching passes over WRs, throwing screens 900 MPH, he's perfect.

Never said he was perfect. I just don't think he needs "fixing". He's a good QB on a dogshit team

 

[tonyballs]

Quick, remind us Stafford throws for a ton of yards.

Even quicker....remind us of how fkn clueless you are.

 

[dubbsco]

Lol, figured. When you can't respond with anything, just throw the insults. Good ol Tony Hopefully I did that right.

 

[tonyballs]

Lol, figured. When you can't respond with anything, just throw the insults. Good ol Tony Hopefully I did that right.

I already explained it a thousand times to you. You're just too fkn dumb to get it. QBs get shit on for the dumbest things and its completely media driven. You're zombies that have no thought process because you can't think on your own. You're incapable of processing your own thoughts. Look at the GB game for example that took place in GB. We won, but Calvin botched the onside kick. We almost lost, right? Then Stafford still would have been the blame for it. Stafford still hasn't won in GB, Stafford is still 0 and whatever vs GB on the road. Not the team but Stafford doesn't win. Fuck the team...this is on Stafford. Every QB needs a good supporting cast around them. Luck and Rodgers are prime examples. But keep pinning it on Stafford for everything.....its amusing to me. He's a good QB on a terrible football team. Is he part of the problem? Yes, but he gets way too much grief when its not even his fault.

 

[jdeb]

In an attempt to get back on topic:

For those (or the one guy?) citing Cutler as a reason not to hire Gase, Cutler has had a shittier O-Line than Stafford for the better part of the last few years. And if the season ended today, Cutler's QBR would be a career high for a season.

I'm not saying Gase is the answer, frankly I don't know anything beyond his basic resume. Just saying, using Jay Cutler as a reason to like him OR dislike him seems silly.

I don't! I am going by what crap I have been reading. How great he has done with Cutler. Cutler blows and so does Stafford. I thought he (Staff) really turned a corner last year and I gave him props. This year, back to dumb decision making and guys on XM, TV all say the same. He has all these stats but put up the stats for dumb decisions and he is the king of over paid QB misfits. There ain't anyone that can fix that. Get rid of the bumb and let him be stud and not win anything somewhere else. Let Gase go run some other shit team. We need Khan and Cower.

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[tomdalton22]

I already explained it a thousand times to you. You're just too fkn dumb to get it. QBs get shit on for the dumbest things and its completely media driven. You're zombies that have no thought process because you can't think on your own. You're incapable of processing your own thoughts. Look at the GB game for example that took place in GB. We won, but Calvin botched the onside kick. We almost lost, right? Then Stafford still would have been the blame for it. Stafford still hasn't won in GB, Stafford is still 0 and whatever vs GB on the road. Not the team but Stafford doesn't win. Fuck the team...this is on Stafford. Every QB needs a good supporting cast around them. Luck and Rodgers are prime examples. But keep pinning it on Stafford for everything.....its amusing to me. He's a good QB on a terrible football team. Is he part of the problem? Yes, but he gets way too much grief when its not even his fault.

I agree with almost all of this except the part where you say he is a good QB on a terrible team. He is an average QB on a terrible team.

 

[brewer229]

I already explained it a thousand times to you. You're just too fkn dumb to get it. QBs get shit on for the dumbest things and its completely media driven. You're zombies that have no thought process because you can't think on your own. You're incapable of processing your own thoughts. Look at the GB game for example that took place in GB. We won, but Calvin botched the onside kick. We almost lost, right? Then Stafford still would have been the blame for it. Stafford still hasn't won in GB, Stafford is still 0 and whatever vs GB on the road. Not the team but Stafford doesn't win. Fuck the team...this is on Stafford. Every QB needs a good supporting cast around them. Luck and Rodgers are prime examples. But keep pinning it on Stafford for everything.....its amusing to me. He's a good QB on a terrible football team. Is he part of the problem? Yes, but he gets way too much grief when its not even his fault.

So to prove your point you use a hypothetical example that didn't happen?
You tend to do this, you ramble on and on, but yet never make a point.

So what does Stafford do that makes him a good QB? Sounds like your point is Stafford is irrelevant to whether or not this team wins or loses. That is a perfect explanation on why he is nothing more than average. You could replace him with many different people and get the same or better results.

But back to the simple questions. What does Stafford do that makes him a good QB?

 

[dubbsco]

Remind me, who's Kirk Cousins throwing to? Who is Russell Wilson throwing to? Besides Gronk, Brady has the corpse of Danny Amendola. Alex Smith has two decent targets.

You need to quit this narrative that teams have to load up around a QB to make it work. Believe it or not, QBs can make other players better. I know it's a completely novel concept to you, but it happens.

 

[dubbsco]

Actually, I think the zombies are the ones that blindly follow Matt Stafford around and pick up the gum that he spits out. And there are probably more of those than the camp that don't support him.

 

[zyxt9]

It is one thing to say you want the QB gone, it is entirely different to specifically identify who will replace him and be a winning QB. That is unknown.

You will want to counter that anyone is better than Stafford, but that isn't true. So much more depends on coaching, the schemes and emphasis a given system has.

He makes bad decisions, but that is amplified by the scheme that results in him throwing too often and anemic run attack. Put him in a system that is a balanced attack, where having close to 5.0 ypc and over 100 rush yards per game, simplify the passing game and blocking schemes. That is the type of offense Stafford needs. He needs a team with a strong D as well.

While he can throw for many yards, he is constantly playing from behind. Behind on the scoreboard, behind the chains...too frequently behind. Then, when he jumps out to a big early lead, there isn't a run game and D there to support the lead and chew up clock and yardage and increase the lead.

Give him a solid running attack and D, he will win. Ask him to be Mr. Everything and he more often loses.

 

[dubbsco]

I am tired of hearing that phrase in general, "If not Stafford, then who?"

You cannot compare a 7 year veteran to any other QB in college. We have NO idea how they will develop in an NFL system. Maybe no one will supplant him next year, but it's about time to draft someone relatively high up to start challenging this guy.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Not sure you draft someone for the sole purpose of challenging him. But we need to take someone eventually so if Matt gets hurt we might have a reliable backup QB. And if they decide not to re-up Matt, we have someone in place.

 

[tonyballs]

So to prove your point you use a hypothetical example that didn't happen?
You tend to do this, you ramble on and on, but yet never make a point.

So what does Stafford do that makes him a good QB? Sounds like your point is Stafford is irrelevant to whether or not this team wins or loses. That is a perfect explanation on why he is nothing more than average. You could replace him with many different people and get the same or better results.

But back to the simple questions. What does Stafford do that makes him a good QB?

How am i rambling? I have given multiple reasons on why Stafford is a good QB. He's put up great numbers to prove that. He has had game winning drives to prove it. No running game whatsoever for years and he still puts up numbers. All this and defense knows we're throwing the ball. Sorry if you're too fkn ignorant to understand this. He's a good QB

 

[dubbsco]

What great numbers? Other than yards (which may as well be compared to winning and losing for a baseball pitcher), what numbers are great? His really average 84.6 career passer rating? His pedestrian 1.58 TD/INT ratio? Again, the losing on the road to anyone worth a damn? Winning anything of note?

 

[brewer229]

It is one thing to say you want the QB gone, it is entirely different to specifically identify who will replace him and be a winning QB. That is unknown.

You will want to counter that anyone is better than Stafford, but that isn't true. So much more depends on coaching, the schemes and emphasis a given system has.

He makes bad decisions, but that is amplified by the scheme that results in him throwing too often and anemic run attack. Put him in a system that is a balanced attack, where having close to 5.0 ypc and over 100 rush yards per game, simplify the passing game and blocking schemes. That is the type of offense Stafford needs. He needs a team with a strong D as well.

While he can throw for many yards, he is constantly playing from behind. Behind on the scoreboard, behind the chains...too frequently behind. Then, when he jumps out to a big early lead, there isn't a run game and D there to support the lead and chew up clock and yardage and increase the lead.

Give him a solid running attack and D, he will win. Ask him to be Mr. Everything and he more often loses.

No teams average 5.0 YPC. If the lions got 8 more yards per game their YPC would be the league average. I don't think 8 yards is what is keeping our team from being elite.

 

[tonyballs]

Remind me, who's Kirk Cousins throwing to? Who is Russell Wilson throwing to? Besides Gronk, Brady has the corpse of Danny Amendola. Alex Smith has two decent targets.

You need to quit this narrative that teams have to load up around a QB to make it work. Believe it or not, QBs can make other players better. I know it's a completely novel concept to you, but it happens.

Kirk Cousins throws to a guy named DeSean Jackson. Ever hear of him? And probably one of the best TEs in the game when healthy. Give your head a shake.

Russel Wilson has started playing better after they got back their running game with Rawls beasting it. He's been nothing short of average the whole year. Now Rawls is out for the year. Lets see what your boy does now.

Brady is Brady....he's a God. Case dismissed

Alex Smith might be the most safest QB to ever play the game in the history of the NFL. He's nothing special.
And i never said you have to load up around the QB but it doesnt hurt.

 

[tonyballs]

It is one thing to say you want the QB gone, it is entirely different to specifically identify who will replace him and be a winning QB. That is unknown.

You will want to counter that anyone is better than Stafford, but that isn't true. So much more depends on coaching, the schemes and emphasis a given system has.

He makes bad decisions, but that is amplified by the scheme that results in him throwing too often and anemic run attack. Put him in a system that is a balanced attack, where having close to 5.0 ypc and over 100 rush yards per game, simplify the passing game and blocking schemes. That is the type of offense Stafford needs. He needs a team with a strong D as well.

While he can throw for many yards, he is constantly playing from behind. Behind on the scoreboard, behind the chains...too frequently behind. Then, when he jumps out to a big early lead, there isn't a run game and D there to support the lead and chew up clock and yardage and increase the lead.

Give him a solid running attack and D, he will win. Ask him to be Mr. Everything and he more often loses.

But you're asking too much. Stafford isnt allowed to have a running game

 

[dubbsco]

Lol yeah, that complete headcase DeSean Jackson who's caught 350 yards. Wee. One of the "best TE's in the game????" I guess since Ebron is having a similar season that Reed did in his rookie and 2nd years, Ebron is one of the best TEs in the game.

Wilson- 3 td/0 int, 5 td/0 int, 3 td/0 int, 5 td/0int. Other than one really good game against SF, Rawls has been solid lately, but not "beasting it." Wilson's been putting that team on his shoulders.

 

[brewer229]

How am i rambling? I have given multiple reasons on why Stafford is a good QB. He's put up great numbers to prove that. He has had game winning drives to prove it. No running game whatsoever for years and he still puts up numbers. All this and defense knows we're throwing the ball. Sorry if you're too fkn ignorant to understand this. He's a good QB

How does game winning drives mean he is good? All that means is the Lions are down entering the 4th. I'm guessing he has a bunch of failed game winning drives too.

By numbers do you mean Yards? He throws the ball a lot, I've never questioned that.

 

[brewer229]

Kirk Cousins throws to a guy named DeSean Jackson. Ever hear of him? And probably one of the best TEs in the game when healthy. Give your head a shake.

Russel Wilson has started playing better after they got back their running game with Rawls beasting it. He's been nothing short of average the whole year. Now Rawls is out for the year. Lets see what your boy does now.

Brady is Brady....he's a God. Case dismissed

Alex Smith might be the most safest QB to ever play the game in the history of the NFL. He's nothing special.
And i never said you have to load up around the QB but it doesnt hurt.

Redskins running game is worse than the lions.

Also Lions got better production from their running game support, (not counting QB) then Wilson did the year they won their superbowl.