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[inkfreq]

It's always easy to make the "we suck" predictions. If every football in the world made the prediction that their team "won't go to the playoffs, and if they do, won't win it all"... 31 out of every 32 fans would be right.

Doesn't make it a genius prediction. Only one team will win it all. I doubt the rest of the clubs in the playoffs have fans who think their team suck if they only make the playoffs.

The negativity from some on this board baffles me. It's your right, but I really can't understand how you can't be enjoying a playoff team and instead want to gripe about it ad nauseum.

Every single thread started on this board for months has devolved into "this team sucks". It's an obsession.

 

[inkfreq]

One and done is a success to Lions fans only. You think any of the other teams in the playoffs will consider their season a success with a loss? Maybe the 7 win Panthers or the Lindley lead Cards?

If Dallas is a very talented team that was put together by a senile permadrunk oil tycoon what does that say about our talent evaluator. Throw in if we get get out scored by a guy we fired because of our pathetic offense can't keep up and I can't speak for Hughes but personally I'll be hugely disappointed. If this season is a success we should expect a win tomorrow, we should be better than Dallas. We should expect more than one and done .

Yes, as a matter of fact, go talk to any fans outside of this board. Other fans actually do consider making the playoffs a successful season. They would ALL rather win a SB Title, but they ALL also know that the playoffs is the mark of a good team in most cases.

So yes, that's exactly what they are saying.

 

[kdp1980]

Gotta look at the season as a whole though. Making the playoffs is an accomplishment in itself, and I'm just not in agreement with the the people viewing this season as if it's dog shit if we don't win tomorrow. We raised some pulses in our division this year. GB is the best team in football, and we came close to winning what is typically their division. I do expect a W tomorrow Cheeno. This is not like 2011, where we found out we were playing the Saints in the Wild Card and we(I) just gave up right on the spot, not a chance were could keep up with that caliber of a team. This year has a different feel all together, imo we've got a good chance of beating every team in the playoffs. I could not say that in 2011.

 

[cheeno]

Let's use the Packers for example. It's actually pretty hard to make the "we suck" predictions. You'd need some kind of Bizzaro LKP making up true loses. They assume they'll go to the playoffs every year and while they don't expect to win a Super Bowl they will expect to have a chance. They do that by regularly beating up on teams like the Lions who consider making the wild card a success every year, and they have done that now 21 years in a row. It's not just the Packers, even teams like the Bengals have gone into the cellar and back again and after making the playoff 4 years in a row, with a loss might fire their HC. Pitt? Pats? Heck no. Now Seattle, Denver? Nope. None of them would consider one and done a successful year. Is it too much to ask to be the Cincinnati Bengals? 4 consecutive playoff appearances with Andy Dalton?

Clearly my expectations of success are too high, to hope for a team that wins their division and a playoff game more than once every 40 years. And to me complaining about your team on a message board is more than a right I think it's to be expected, especially when that criticism is warranted... listen to any radio show, television program, etc. and you'll find the same. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Now that is a right.

I'll be ecstatic if we win but I'll be back griping after a loss because I want the Lions to be one of those teams that competes for a Super Bowl not a wild card. Hell every team in the league has done it outside the Jaguars and even they have more playoff wins than we do.

 

[cheeno]

Gotta look at the season as a whole though. Making the playoffs is an accomplishment in itself, and I'm just not in agreement with the the people viewing this season as if it's dog shit if we don't win tomorrow. We raised some pulses in our division this year. GB is the best team in football, and we came close to winning what is typically their division. I do expect a W tomorrow Cheeno. This is not like 2011, where we found out we were playing the Saints in the Wild Card and we(I) just gave up right on the spot, not a chance were could keep up with that caliber of a team. This year has a different feel all together, imo we've got a good chance of beating every team in the playoffs. I could not say that in 2011.

I'm with you. I think we can and should beat the Cowboys. Better offensive play calling, quarterback play, and impactful draft picks would help inspire confidence. I don't know who wouldn't agree?

 

[kdp1980]

This offense just so happens to start firing I would be ecstatic. Better late than never, lol. Similar to Flacco a few years back. Stafford is due for a stellar performance this year, why not in his home town?? Four in a row would make up for what was missing during the regular season.

 

[cheeno]

This offense just so happens to start firing I would be ecstatic. Better late than never, lol. Similar to Flacco a few years back. Stafford is due for a stellar performance this year, why not in his home town??

That is what I'm holding out hope for. That Ravens run with Flacco, with yup, Caldwell at the offensive helm.

 

[kdp1980]

Its going to happen boys, no worries.

 

[inkfreq]

Let's use the Packers for example. It's actually pretty hard to make the "we suck" predictions. They assume they'll go to the playoffs every year and while they don't expect to win a Super Bowl they will expect they will have a chance. They do that by regularly beating up on teams like the Lions who consider making the wild card a success every year, and they have done that now 21 years in a row. It's not just the Packers, even teams like the Bengals have gone into the cellar and back again and after making the playoff 4 years in a row, with a loss might fire their HC. Pitt? Pats? Heck no. Now Seattle, Denver? Nope. None of them would consider one and done a successful year. Is it too much to ask to be the Cincinnati Bengals? 4 consecutive playoff appearances with Andy Dalton?

Clearly my expectations of success are too high, to hope for a team that wins their division and a playoff game more than once every 40 years. And to me complaining about your team on a message board is more than a right I think it's to be expected, especially when that criticism is warranted... listen to any radio show, television program, etc. and you'll find the same. I'll be ecstatic if we win but I'll be back griping after a loss because I want the Lions to be one of those teams that competes for a Super Bowl not a wild card. Hell every team in the league has done it outside the Jaguars and even they have more playoff wins than we do.

So, let's say they win tomorrow. They've won 2 in 40 years, right?

What if they win the SuperBowl next season? It would be easy to say they've won 6 in 40 years.. and still put a negative spin on shit.

Sorry to say, but the guys who look for a way to be negative over anything or no better or worse than LKP with his uber positive spin on everything. He cherry picks numbers that make him sound right, and you guys are doing the same thing.

In the history of the world, the Steelers have only one SIX championships in 4 billion plus years... not a very good record, right?

We all know the Lions were the joke of the league. We all know what 10 years ago, and even 6 years ago looked like. Is that really an excuse for not enjoying the winning years we have... like this one?

You want to be negative, be negative. I don't care. But it's no different than LKP, who can easily argue the Lions have had a lot of winning season, and even NFL championships, since 1940, so history shows we're a great team.

It's all bullshit when the only season that matters is this one, and the only game that matters is tomorrow.

 

[inkfreq]

I do this same shit to my wife to rile her up too.

She's a Yankees fan, and every time she brings up the 27 championships, I remind her they have only won ONE this whole damned millenium.

I can make it sound as horrible as she can make it sound great.

 

[LKP]

The truth is there is a lot of positve to say about the lions including this season. 11 wins is regular season sucess. Now we need playoff success. If we don't get it, we can surely make playoffs next season and make a super bowl run. Losing to Cowboys won't stop anything in 2015 season.

But we match up well. Well enough to win the game dor sure. Same with seattle. Tops in run d means we can give running teams fits no matter the packers big 4 ypc day

 

[LKP]

Lions having two bad run d days in a row. Unlikely. And week 17 wasn't even bad. 4 ypc is average at best. Lost fumble. Lions have the firepower to make a run.

 

[cheeno]

So, let's say they win tomorrow. They've won 2 in 40 years, right?

What if they win the SuperBowl next season? It would be easy to say they've won 6 in 40 years.. and still put a negative spin on shit.

Sorry to say, but the guys who look for a way to be negative over anything or no better or worse than LKP with his uber positive spin on everything. He cherry picks numbers that make him sound right, and you guys are doing the same thing.

In the history of the world, the Steelers have only one SIX championships in 4 billion plus years... not a very good record, right?

We all know the Lions were the joke of the league. We all know what 10 years ago, and even 6 years ago looked like. Is that really an excuse for not enjoying the winning years we have... like this one?

You want to be negative, be negative. I don't care. But it's no different than LKP, who can easily argue the Lions have had a lot of winning season, and even NFL championships, since 1940, so history shows we're a great team.

It's all bullshit when the only season that matters is this one, and the only game that matters is tomorrow.

Fair enough. Bringing up the Lions past record may be negative and out of context. Those aren't the same team. What about Matt Stafford's record? Is it out of context? Is it negative to factually state the record of quarterback who is starting for us TOMORROW? Should we not bring it up? Pretend it's not true or say it has no berring? That makes us LKP? OK.

Pointing out legitimate faults is not negative.

 

[cheeno]

Lions having two bad run d days in a row. Unlikely. And week 17 wasn't even bad. 4 ypc is average at best. Lost fumble. Lions have the firepower to make a run.

4 YPC because they ran the ball 38 times to run out the clock! 4 YPC is pretty good when more than half comes against a D that knows you are going to run to shorten the game.

 

[LKP]

4 YPC because they ran the ball 38 times to run out the clock! 4 YPC is pretty good when more than half comes against a D that knows you are going to run to shorten the game.

They got shut down after first drive. And got suffed on that first drive at goaline.

8 for 61 on first drive including 2 stuffs at goaline

30 for 91 rest of game. 3 ypc terrible and lost a fumble.

It was one drive. That's it. And a rodgers run on a passing play to even get it to 3 ypc

2.6 ypc on 29 runs without the rodgers run that was a passing play

 

[cheeno]

The truth is there is a lot of positve to say about the lions including this season. 11 wins is regular season sucess. Now we need playoff success. If we don't get it, we can surely make playoffs next season and make a super bowl run. Losing to Cowboys won't stop anything in 2015 season.

But we match up well. Well enough to win the game dor sure. Same with seattle. Tops in run d means we can give running teams fits no matter the packers big 4 ypc day

Tons of positives. The defense has been a great success. I'd love to build on that in 2015 but I'm skeptical. We will lose key players. But in Austin I trust.

Tate has been a great addition. Again too bad a half dozen rookies matched his numbers this year in the deepest WR draft class maybe ever.

11 wins is nothing to sneeze at. Fair enough to question Caldwell's impact over Austin and the affect of the leagues 25th easiest schedule.

Did I miss anything.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's always what if we this or what if we that..You don't win in the playoffs, in 23 years, that you're up for the criticism. Blame the Lions not the fans. Most of you so called positive folks criticize game after game in our game threads yet it's outlawed that we can't criticize the Organization as a whole for playoff failure and not beating good teams.

I hear it all, where was that pass going to, stupid Bush..wtf OC. Yet that's okay. But playoff criticizing is taboo. Fn.

 

[cheeno]

They got shut down after first drive. And got suffed on that first drive at goaline.

8 for 61 on first drive including 2 stuffs at goaline

30 for 91 rest of game. 3 ypc terrible and lost a fumble.

It was one drive. That's it. And a rodgers run on a passing play to even get it to 3 ypc

2.6 ypc on 29 runs without the rodgers run that was a passing play

They gained 90 yards rushing after the first drive.

 

[LKP]

3.2 ypc from gb rbs/kuhn/Cobb in second and third quarter

 

[LKP]

They gained 90 yards rushing after the first drive.

On 30 carries. 3.2 ypc in 2nd and 3rd and lost a fumble