that Hobby Lobby decision...

[Michchamp]

rushing the field shows something, or another. act like you've been there before derrr.

 

[TheVictors]

It was pretty funny. We were in the South EZ Alumni Assoc tickets in about the 5th row. As the game ends, following the late FG, and the scoreboard starts showing all these crazy, classic MICHIGAN moments the students started pouring over the wall on their end. The M sideline cleared as guys like Beilein and (then) recruit Shane Morris walked past. My buddy's wife was sort of looking at my wife with this sinister look and the next thing we know, she's jumped over the wall and on to the field. We had no choice but to follow her down. Everyone wound up in the middle of the marching band and my wife finds the drum major and gets a picture with him. A few months later we get this framed picture for Christmas from them.

We've tried a Where's Waldo approach to finding us somewhere in there, but we can't tell where we'd be, based on the picture.

somewhere.. I am wearing a blue #15 jersey.

 

[hailhail]

Chicken sandwiches. Nothing with bones. Not like a KFC, Popeyes, Church's, or Bojangles. More like the chicken sandwiches from McDonald's or Wendy's.

Oh my god Wendy's chicken sandwiches are amazing. I haven't been there in a year, unfortunately.

I've never had CFA, and refuse to eat it now.

 

[biggunsbob]

Healthcare should be free for every citizen. It will never happen though no matter how liberal this country gets. Too much money in healthcare.

Yup Problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free healthare for all!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[biggunsbob]

We use to shop at Hobby Lobby... Wife came up yesterday and told me we will not be going into that store ever again...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yup Problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free healthare for all!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, "free health care" wouldn't be free...in a single payer system, health care is just paid for in a different way...

 

[biggunsbob]

The ruling just shows how out of touch half the court is.... Sooner the conservatives on the court leave the better America will be...

 

[biggunsbob]

Of course, "free health care" wouldn't be free...in a single payer system, health care is just paid for in a different way...

Yup Tax me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could give a rip as long as it is fair for all...

 

[Monster]

CNN reporting that Hobby Lobby actually holds investments in Birth Control. haha wtf.

 

[tinselwolverine]

CNN reporting that Hobby Lobby actually holds investments in Birth Control. haha wtf.

Is it the birth control they object to paying insurance premiums?

Because they're not objecting to all birth control, like the Catholic organizations do; just the ones that stop end 'pregnancy (I don't know if a fertilized egg=pregnancy, or if the embryo needs to implant itself into the uterine wall to be a pregnancy)' post fertilization.

 

[Michchamp]

CNN reporting that Hobby Lobby actually holds investments in Birth Control. haha wtf.

I found the article. yes, and this has been brought up a few times in the thread. this is their Company 401K plan.

they object to contributing to employee health insurance that covers Plan B and IUDs out of their own personal beliefs, but have no problem contributing to employee retirement funds that invest in the same companies that make these birth control products.

seems hypocritical to me. also absurd... as noted in the Mother Jones article, Hobby Lobby was providing health insurance that covered Plan B and IUDs prior to the Affordable Health Care Act being enacted, without complaint.

Basically... this whole thing is about them wanting a soapbox to preach, and bitch about the ACA, which the Supreme Court willingly indulged them in, to hell with the awful precedents the decision set. And they picked this narrow issue of the ACA, and not their employees' rights to invest their pensions as they saw fit, because that would've pissed off the banking industry, pension funds, and opened a can of worms with an entirely separate area of federal law (ERISA)...

so their "deeply held religious beliefs" only really apply in this one (1) context, and only to the extent they don't have to take on another industry to abide by their beliefs. it's hypocrisy of the highest order.

Is it the birth control they object to paying insurance premiums?

...

yes. those same ones.

 

[Monster]

My bad. Thought it was new news.

 

[Michchamp]

My bad. Thought it was new news.

no problemo

 

[Michchamp]

also, according to this article:

According to the amicus brief filed by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and several other medical associations, ?there is no scientific evidence that emergency contraceptives available in the United States and approved by the FDA affect an existing pregnancy.? Instead, they prevent ovulation, so there is no egg to fertilize. That includes the longer-acting Ella: ?There is no evidence that [Ella] affects implantation.?
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so... yeah. their whole rationale for complaining is stupid, at least according to actual medical doctors.

the MSNBC article also points to 149 other for-profits challenging this law, some of which I believe have been funded or shepharded by this one catholic advocacy group, the Becket Fund. Some of those companies are actually objecting to ALL forms of birth control, not just emergency contraceptives, like Hobby Lobby. It's unclear how the reasoning in this case will apply to those, but that goes to show just how stupid Alito and his ilk our. they're simply just ideologues and bad judges. they make bad law.

it's sad what passes for judicial activism these days. Although these nutty right-to-life groups and places like Ave Maria Law School like to portray themselves as freedom fighters for equality like some of the African American rights groups were in the 60's, they end up doing the exact opposite.

In the 50's and 60's, the NAACP would set up landmark cases that resulted in things like Brown v. Board of Education... decisions that increased everyone's civil rights and equality before the law. These catholic/christian groups decisions will curtail the rights of others to ensure their own religious morality is enacted into law. It's completely despicable.

 

[Sbee]

The argument against the IUD is that it prevents a fertilized egg to implant, which is in their opinion murder, but the facts aren't on their side. A surge of HGC only happened in 1 in 100 women using IUD's, which is consistent with their failure rate. IUD's do not abort a fertilized egg

even plan b pills or emergency contraception, it's just a mega dose of the hormones in the birth control pill. they thicken the mucus in the cervix which makes it harder for the sperm to meet the egg. it's a short term thickening so it won't affect implantation

these weren't a problem until the ACA was passed, like you stated. this goes back to citizens united, since corporations have rights to "free speech" and now somehow corporations have religious beliefs

 

[biggunsbob]

Religion yet again interjecting itself in politics... Just push the button and end us all because there is no way America makes it another 50 years.... I am so tired of religion and politics NOT BEING SEPERATE...I am so tired of religion winning out over common sense..

 

[Sbee]

Religion yet again interjecting itself in politics... Just push the button and end us all because there is no way America makes it another 50 years.... I am so tired of religion and politics NOT BEING SEPERATE...I am so tired of religion winning out over common sense..

Individuals are allowed freedom of religion, this decision is a landmark because corporations are allowed freedom of religion, which really doesn't make sense.

 

[Michchamp]

Individuals are allowed freedom of religion, this decision is a landmark because corporations are allowed freedom of religion, which really doesn't make sense.

time was when the corporate form made sense as a tradeoff... you surrendered some forms of direct control in exchange for permitting the corporation to shield the individual from liability. the Republican Dream is to give corporations more and more rights, while not touching the shield, of course.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've seen MICHIGAN beat State a few times but don't have any pictures of those games. Did wind up on the field after win #900 and we're in that picture somewhere. (And got it as a gift from the friends that rushed the field with us)

That's pretty cool. When we won the B1G outright in hoops my sophomore year I got about 10 calls the next day from friends telling me I was in the Free Press photo - in the crowd watching players cut down the net. I called the paper and ordered an 11"x17" print and had it framed.

 

[Spartanmack]

I found the article. yes, and this has been brought up a few times in the thread. this is their Company 401K plan.

they object to contributing to employee health insurance that covers Plan B and IUDs out of their own personal beliefs, but have no problem contributing to employee retirement funds that invest in the same companies that make these birth control products.

seems hypocritical to me. also absurd... as noted in the Mother Jones article, Hobby Lobby was providing health insurance that covered Plan B and IUDs prior to the Affordable Health Care Act being enacted, without complaint.

Basically... this whole thing is about them wanting a soapbox to preach, and bitch about the ACA, which the Supreme Court willingly indulged them in, to hell with the awful precedents the decision set. And they picked this narrow issue of the ACA, and not their employees' rights to invest their pensions as they saw fit, because that would've pissed off the banking industry, pension funds, and opened a can of worms with an entirely separate area of federal law (ERISA)...

so their "deeply held religious beliefs" only really apply in this one (1) context, and only to the extent they don't have to take on another industry to abide by their beliefs. it's hypocrisy of the highest order.



yes. those same ones.

This is monumentally stupid. It is not the least bit hypocritical. The plan assets are not the property of HL and HL does not benefit from the investments. HL is merely the 401(k) plan sponsor. The assets are the property of HL employees and investment choices are made by employees. HL employees are free to choose to invest in funds that invest in those companies just like they are free to use any and all of thee contraceptives in question - they're just not free to force HL to pay for them. Their employees can use some of the generous compensation from HL (HL's minimum wage is 193% of the federally mandated minimum wage) - cry me a river. If HL was restricting employees' choices for investing their own money then HL would be foisting their religious beliefs onto their employees and you could (and certainly would) bitch about it.